Zellner Tweets

[Karinna]

I agree 100% that he was under surveillance.

Was the set up of Steven Avery the motive for the murder of TH?

That's where my mind is going now..

BBM, And i wonder that too. Was TH collateral damage for a more sinister plot? The money, it's always about the frikkin money in lots of crimes.

 

[CoolJ]

BBM, And i wonder that too. Was TH collateral damage for a more sinister plot? The money, it's always about the frikkin money in lots of crimes.

Law suits, money, reputations, careers, pensions, revenge, old grudges and pride. JMO

 

[dexter75]

oceanblueeyes ~ the DNA is already linked to SA. From what I understand, she is going to be running some tests that will hopefully tell us where that DNA originated from. One of the examples, if I understood it correctly was.... if the DNA under the hood is saliva, and then the buccal swab with SA's DNA on it has dirt (when it shouldn't), it would show that someone wiped something dirty with the swab, like a hood latch. It's an interesting approach for sure, since Buting/Strang have said they thought it was a transfer from a tech who didn't change gloves.

She also wants to test that "magic bullet", so we will see what comes of that too. There is no such thing as "sweat DNA", Zellner even mentions that in her motion. Again, if I read it correctly, she wants to do some ballistic testing, and would also like to see if there is a chance that it could be determined what kind of DNA or where it came from (brain, tissue, etc).

I disagree about the "luring", I just don't think he did. The *67, a business man, using his personal cell phone, is not unreasonable in his situation. We have never heard it from him, but Strang said it was common for him to use *67.

I think we will all be watching if he gets a re-trial. Zellner made it pretty clear today that she thinks what she already has could get him out, but that further testing will yet again leave SA fully exonerated of the murder (maybe with the real perp?) Time will tell.

Why in the heck would one have to LURE a person, a photographer no less, who's been there to take photographs MANY times before?!?!
Makes absolutely ZERO sense.🙄
All he had to do, was call her.
As he did SEVERAL times prior😉

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[dexter75]

It's really hard to get a picture at 70mph...LOL

You should see some of my vacation pics😂😂😂lol

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[BigCityAccountant]

Why in the heck would one have to LURE a person, a photographer no less, who's been there to take photographs MANY times before?!?!
Makes absolutely ZERO sense.
All he had to do, was call her.
As he did SEVERAL times prior

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Why would one then go tell EA, DA and others that he had to meet her too, why wouldn't you just keep that to yourself if you had a sinister plot. It doesn't make sense.

Ok~~you guys got me on board~~I'll admit it~~I don't think SA did it!

 

[missy1974]

Why would one then go tell EA, DA and others that he had to meet her too, why wouldn't you just keep that to yourself if you had a sinister plot. It doesn't make sense.

Ok~~you guys got me on board~~I'll admit it~~I don't think SA did it!

LOL You are officially "converted"

 

[zerbert]

I'm still officially calling myself a fence-sitter, but if he's bluffing, he's got some big ol' cajones.

 

[Safeguard]

Why in the heck would one have to LURE a person, a photographer no less, who's been there to take photographs MANY times before?!?!
Makes absolutely ZERO sense.��
All he had to do, was call her.
As he did SEVERAL times prior��

Yeah...plus...He "lured her" to AVERY Rd?

 

[Safeguard]

LOL You are officially "converted"

Yes! Now that you are a convert, you must pledge to give up all your worldly attachments and free time, and hand out pamphlets at Train Stations and Airports!

 

[CoolJ]

I'm still officially calling myself a fence-sitter, but if he's bluffing, he's got some big ol' cajones.

There is no shame in being a "fence sitter". It is the characteristic of an open mind.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Yes! Now that you are a convert, you must pledge to give up all your worldly attachments and free time, and hand out pamphlets at Train Stations and Airports!

Oh, I love to laugh!! You guys kill me~~no pun intended...LOL
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[RANCH]

I have also thought KK could've been...er...involved... in TH's death. ( I grabbed the quotes below off a website, when I get a chance I'll link it, pardon the delay please!).

"If you think about it, there’s now more demonstrative, proven evidence of sexual deviance by Ken Kratz than there is of Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey – combined. (A date to an autopsy? No wonder he looked a little sweaty describing the fictitious version of the murder of Halbach.)"

"If Kratz’ ability to keep his disgusting behavior (sexting the victim of domestic abuse???) a secret for a year with the help of the Wisconsin DOJ isn’t proof of a corrupt system, what is?"

"Why didn’t Governor Foley prosecute Kratz?"

Inquiring minds want to know!

Also (jmo)

I firmly believe that SA was under (unofficial) surveillance the whole time, as his lawsuit was moving forward. I'll never believe they weren't watching this guy like a hawk.

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You forgot to provide a link to the quotes you used.

 

[Madeleine74]

Simple & logical deduction: If TH thought she'd be meeting with SA, then she might not have been willing to go and photograph the van (since she told her coworker SA creeped her out). So SA made it look like it would be Barb Janda TH would be meeting that day. The initial phone call to arrange the appointment was made from the Janda phone. It was SA who creeped out TH, not others on or associated with the business (like the Jandas).

Then, when SA called TH directly from his cell phone (twice) that afternoon he obscured his phone number so TH wouldn't know it was really him calling.

 

[krkrjx]

Simple & logical deduction: If TH thought she'd be meeting with SA, then she might not have been willing to go and photograph the van (since she told her coworker SA creeped her out). So SA made it look like it would be Barb Janda TH would be meeting that day. The initial phone call to arrange the appointment was made from the Janda phone. It was SA who creeped out TH, not others on or associated with the business (like the Jandas).

Then, when SA called TH directly from his cell phone (twice) that afternoon he obscured his phone number so TH wouldn't know it was really him calling.

Very plausible!

However, what I am bothered by is if SA really was in fact targeting TH to become his victim why didn't he keep his meeting with her a secret? People knew SA had an appointment with TH both before and after the fact. If I were setting someone up to meet with me so I could do them harm I would keep my mouth shut about it. Also, I would contact them directly rather than going through their employer to set up the appointment.

JMO

 

[RANCH]

Simple & logical deduction: If TH thought she'd be meeting with SA, then she might not have been willing to go and photograph the van (since she told her coworker SA creeped her out). So SA made it look like it would be Barb Janda TH would be meeting that day. The initial phone call to arrange the appointment was made from the Janda phone. It was SA who creeped out TH, not others on or associated with the business (like the Jandas).

Then, when SA called TH directly from his cell phone (twice) that afternoon he obscured his phone number so TH wouldn't know it was really him calling.

I think he used those methods to make sure TH showed up. Did he plan on killing her when he did that? I don't know. Maybe he had something else in mind and it led to murder. JMO.

 

[missy1974]

So when did the towel incident happen? Oh that's right, we don't know. And did she say he creeped her out? nope, not according to Dawn (if we believe what Dawn says). "Creeped her out" was from Kratz, not Dawn when she relayed the convo in the court room (not in front of the jury). Did it happen before October 10th?

I wonder why Steven didn't *67 when he called AutoTrader? Maybe because it was a business? He sure wasn't "hiding" it then.

And let's put this into perspective.... her first appointment that day was made by someone other than the person she met with and at a different address than the person that called, was he "luring" her too?

And as I think Safeguard pointed out AVERY ROAD would not have been new to TH, pretty big tip off that it's the Avery's IMO It's almost laughable at this point that people still think she was "lured" there.

 

[dexter75]

So when did the towel incident happen? Oh that's right, we don't know. And did she say he creeped her out? nope, not according to Dawn (if we believe what Dawn says). "Creeped her out" was from Kratz, not Dawn when she relayed the convo in the court room (not in front of the jury). Did it happen before October 10th?

I wonder why Steven didn't *67 when he called AutoTrader? Maybe because it was a business? He sure wasn't "hiding" it then.

And let's put this into perspective.... her first appointment that day was made by someone other than the person she met with and at a different address than the person that called, was he "luring" her too?

And as I think Safeguard pointed out AVERY ROAD would not have been new to TH, pretty big tip off that it's the Avery's IMO It's almost laughable at this point that people still think she was "lured" there.

Not almost, my friend.
It IS both laughable AND irrelevant:giggle: the whole " he lured her there " scenario is still trying to be argued
JMO

 

[dexter75]

Very plausible!

However, what I am bothered by is if SA really was in fact targeting TH to become his victim why didn't he keep his meeting with her a secret? People knew SA had an appointment with TH both before and after the fact. If I were setting someone up to meet with me so I could do them harm I would keep my mouth shut about it. Also, I would contact them directly rather than going through their employer to set up the appointment.

JMO

Great question!

Maybe one of the guily experts on the case can answer this? Or one of ours?

Makes no sense to me.
Why WOULD Avery call Auto Trader to make an appointment saying " send the same girl as last time " and then KILL her?:thinking:
( BUT, lets use *67 cuz I gotta be wreally sneaky:facepalm: )

 

[dexter75]

You forgot to provide a link to the quotes you used.

Her first statement expains links...

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Simple & logical deduction: If TH thought she'd be meeting with SA, then she might not have been willing to go and photograph the van (since she told her coworker SA creeped her out). So SA made it look like it would be Barb Janda TH would be meeting that day. The initial phone call to arrange the appointment was made from the Janda phone. It was SA who creeped out TH, not others on or associated with the business (like the Jandas).

Then, when SA called TH directly from his cell phone (twice) that afternoon he obscured his phone number so TH wouldn't know it was really him calling.

But, she answered the call at 2:24pm and still continued onto the property. If she was creeped out~~she had the option to call back and bow out. Oh, something just came up at home, I won't be able to make it today.....