ZG Hires Attorney - Lawsuit Against Casey Anthony Part 2

[jandkmom]

I don't understand why many people seem to feel that compassion for the A's and Caylee are mutually exclusive of each other. They aren't IMO.

I don't much feel sorry for KC. It's obvious that whatever happened to Caylee (and I believe she (KC) is guilty of at the very least: neglect and abuse, OR, at worst: premeditated murder), the loss of her baby did not seem to bother her even for a moment. She did whatever she did to Caylee and then partied on in apparent celebration. She brought whatever she gets on herself.

When it comes to GA & CA, I do feel compassion for them. Their family may be dysfunctional, many are. It's not their fault -- IMHO -- what happened to their granddaughter. KC is an adult. She had choices and she made them. There are children of dysfunctional families that grow up to be fine human beings. There are also children of wonderful families that grow up to be criminals. Maybe not the majority of the time, but it does happen. I bet we can all think of example of this.

While GA & CA have done some misguided and confusing things, I don't know what I'd do in their shoes, probably have a nervous breakdown. They love their daughter and that is not wrong. They love their granddaughter and have tragically lost her forever. Though we all hurt about the loss of little Caylee, IMO we cannot feel a fraction of what they're going through. Whatever mistakes they've made in handling this situation, I'm not able to rejoice or enjoy any added suffering they incur. It seems many so many do just that.

I feel the lawsuit is frivolous and is about the attorney wanting publicity and attention and his "15 minutes of fame" as George said during the deposition. Others feel the lawsuit is valid, and that is certainly their right. They may be correct and I may be wrong.

What doesn't seem fair to me though, is the public spectacle that's being made of it by it being publicly broadcast (I know it's FL's law). Also, the nature of some of the questions the lawyer asked are akin to rubbing salt in an open wound IMO. When they've said repeatedly she is NOT the Zenaida!

The awful pain GA is in seemed very apparent during the deposition/questioning, to me anyway.

Whether or not one agrees with lawsuit, how does feeling/expressing compassion for the A's having tragically lost their granddaughter forever and, for all practical purposes, lost their daughter forever too, equal not caring about what happened to Caylee or have forgetting about her????

I don't understand this reasoning? ---If it is ever shown that George and/or Cindy had something to do with Caylee's disappearance and/or death, then I will feel differently, just the opposite in fact.

Unless that happens, I don't think it's fair to say that because they still love their daughter they don't care about Caylee or aren’t standing up for her. Nor do I think it's fair/correct to say that because someone can empathize with the A’s for having suddenly had their whole lives turned upside down tragically and irreversibly, that person does not care about Caylee and is letting her down.

Why do so many people seem to consider the two mutually exclusive? Why does one cancel out the other?

I also believe that Caylee would be very sad for her grandparents. I think she would want them to receive comfort and to be treated fairly and with mercy — as always -- JMHO only.

For the Record: I have not in any way forgotten about Caylee! What happened to that poor baby was and unspeakable, senseless tragedy. I hope and pray that justice is accomplished regarding any and all involved in harming that beautiful, innocent, trusting little child. At the same time, my heart goes out to the A’s.

I use to feel sorry for the A's and then I realized that they will lie or do whatever means possible to get out of any situation that they do not like. GA and CA cannot say that the woman being deposed is or is not ZFG because they never talked to or met the one that Casey refers to. Yes, I believe that the one in the lawsuit is not her because I don't believe that there ever was a nanny, but as long as the A's choose to state that there was a "Zanny the Nanny", then this woman could be thought to be her more than anyone because she was at Sawgrass apartments within two days of Casey being at Sawgrass. I believe that when the A's and Casey admit there was never a "Zanny the Nanny", then the lawsuit would be dropped. Go Morgan and Morgan!!!!

 

[AlwaysShocked]

I am actually very glad in a way that the depositions turned out the way they did, because up until now I think there was room for doubt that George and Cindy were actually obstructing justice or were just two poor grieving grandparents.

Now there is no doubt - they are obviously deliberately lying while under oath.

My question: What is the legal remedy for this? Is it perjury, the same as if you lie during a trial?

 

[carrie]

It has been reported they received at least $250,000 from a major network for pictures and videos of Caylee.

With all due respect , you are incorrect about this having been reported. It wasn’t reported that GA & CA received 225, 000.00 for videos of their granddaughter, Caylee. As shown below in an excerpt from the deposition given by private investigator JH, what was actually reported was that JB received this amount on behalf of KC.

Also, that JB received this money has not been proven, as JH states below. He calls it “hearsay” that he heard from DC.

pp. 70 – 71 0f rough draft of deposition given by James Hoover to John Morgan on 3/25/2009 in the civil suit by Zenaida Gonzales against Casey Anthony

9 Q In the course of your time spent here as a
10 public citizen volunteering, did you ever come to
11 understand that ABC news had given the Anthonys or José
12 Baez money?
13 A I didn't know that to be a fact, no, sir.
14 Q Have you heard that?
15 A I heard -- I had heard that -- oh, that money
16 was given to the Anthonys, no, no, sir.
17 Q To anyone?
18 A Uhm, I had heard that money had been given to
19 the attorney for some individual -- I don't know if it
20 was given to the attorney or to Casey for some videos
21 that was on ABC news.
22 Q José Baez received money?
23 A Yes, sir, I think so. I heard that. I don't
24 know for sure.
25 Q Hearsay?
Rough Draft - 71
1 A Yes, sir.
2 Q Was it 200,000 dollars? Was that number you
3 heard?
4 A 200 or 225. I heard both numbers.
5 Q Was paid to José Baez by ABC News?
6 A Yes, sir.
7 Q And what was your understanding that that
8 money was paid for?
9 A Some videotapes that were released.
10 Q Okay.
11 A Again, hearsay.
12 Q Of course. Who told you that?
13 A Dominic Casey.
14 Q Pretty good hearsay?
15 A Pretty good, you would think.

 

[carrie]

I am actually very glad in a way that the depositions turned out the way they did, because up until now I think there was room for doubt that George and Cindy were actually obstructing justice or were just two poor grieving grandparents.

Now there is no doubt - they are obviously deliberately lying while under oath.

My question: What is the legal remedy for this? Is it perjury, the same as if you lie during a trial?

Could you elaborate on which lies, specifically, to which you are referring?

 

[jon_burrows]

With all due respect , you are incorrect about this having been reported. It wasn’t reported that GA & CA received 225, 000.00 for videos of their granddaughter, Caylee. As shown below in an excerpt from the deposition given by private investigator JH, what was actually reported was that JB received this amount on behalf of KC.

Also, that JB received this money has not been proven, as JH states below. He calls it “hearsay” that he heard from DC.

pp. 70 – 71 0f rough draft of deposition given by James Hoover to John Morgan on 3/25/2009 in the civil suit by Zenaida Gonzales against Casey Anthony

9 Q In the course of your time spent here as a
10 public citizen volunteering, did you ever come to
11 understand that ABC news had given the Anthonys or José
12 Baez money?
13 A I didn't know that to be a fact, no, sir.
14 Q Have you heard that?
15 A I heard -- I had heard that -- oh, that money
16 was given to the Anthonys, no, no, sir.
17 Q To anyone?
18 A Uhm, I had heard that money had been given to
19 the attorney for some individual -- I don't know if it
20 was given to the attorney or to Casey for some videos
21 that was on ABC news.
22 Q José Baez received money?
23 A Yes, sir, I think so. I heard that. I don't
24 know for sure.
25 Q Hearsay?
Rough Draft - 71
1 A Yes, sir.
2 Q Was it 200,000 dollars? Was that number you
3 heard?
4 A 200 or 225. I heard both numbers.
5 Q Was paid to José Baez by ABC News?
6 A Yes, sir.
7 Q And what was your understanding that that
8 money was paid for?
9 A Some videotapes that were released.
10 Q Okay.
11 A Again, hearsay.
12 Q Of course. Who told you that?
13 A Dominic Casey.
14 Q Pretty good hearsay?
15 A Pretty good, you would think.

With all due respect. It was reported on many news outlets that they received the money. You are picking out one source. I heard what I heard, with all due respect. It was also reported they got additional money for pictures/videos from another source.

Just curious, how do you believe they are supporting themselves now? They were not in good financial shape before Caylee was killed.

 

[JBean]

With all due respect. It was reported on many news outlets that they received the money. You are picking out one source. I heard what I heard, with all due respect. It was also reported they got additional money for pictures/videos from another source.

Just curious, how do you believe they are supporting themselves now? They were not in good financial shape before Caylee was killed.

Many new sources also reported that KC dressed up as ZFG and went into Sawgrass. I don't think that really happened though.

 

[Jolynna]

I dont post often so please forgive me. Is she working now? If she is living in a hotel?Who is putting up the bill? Are her lawyers? How can she afford to eat? Somebody has to be helping her. Will she ever get any money from casey? It is not like Casey has any money! The parents are not working! I truely hope her lawyers are not telling her at the end of this she will be set for life. I think TIME is the only way this woman is ever going to get her name cleared. It is sad but true this civil case just opens wounds everyday and every minute for everyone involved including us. I sometimes wish for the sake of this woman she would have just ignored it like the other 11(according to Cindy) Zenadia's out there. I think she could have moved on faster. Just my two thoughts. But I do feel sorry for her dont get me wrong.

The other 11 ZGs didn't have enough information in common with the person Casey described to get 1000s of myspace friend requests and have their children's and father's picture spread all over the internet. Nobody was sending any of the other ZG's myspace pages to LE and members of the Anthony family. No other ZG had their myspace link posted on blogs or on crime forums with lists about out how they sounded just like the kidnapper Casey described.

I don't think ZG expects to get money. But she didn't want fingers to further be pointed her way either.
I have no doubt that this poor woman would have been a defense and Anthony family target IF she didn't have a lawyer by her side and a lawsuit in the works.

CINDY had a chance on national television to say that Casey had cleared THIS ZG. Did she clear THIS ZG? NOPE, Cindy said Casey hadn't cleared her because Casey hadn't seen a lineup (implying THIS ZG COULD be Caylee's evil kidnapper).

Empathy for the Anthony's or not, I don't condone how the Anthonys freely point their fingers at innocents like ZG or JG. If TELLING THE TRUTH makes Casey look guiltier so be it...that doesn't justify lying.

IMO

 

[jon_burrows]

Many new sources also reported that KC dressed up as ZFG and went into Sawgrass. I don't think that really happened though.

IMO, Casey dressing up as ZFG is outrageous. On the other hand, it's very possible the As are receiving money for pictures and videos (at least in my mind).

Are you implying the reports regarding the As receiving money for videos/pics are as outrageous as KC dressing up as ZFG?

Do you have an opinion on how they could be supporting themselves now considering their financial history in recent years?

 

[JBean]

IMO, Casey dressing up as ZFG is outrageous. On the other hand, it's very possible the As are receiving money for pictures and videos (at least in my mind).

Are you implying the reports regarding the As receiving money for videos/pics are as outrageous as KC dressing up as ZFG?

Do you have an opinion on how they could be supporting themselves now considering their financial history in recent years?

Hi Jb. Actually I have no opinion as to how they are supporting themselves, I plead ignorance on that topic. But my only point was that just because something is reported in the news, doesn't make it so.
Sometimes reporting is accurate and sometimes it is not or it is misinterpreted. Case in point, the "book" that was found at the remains location and reported as such,was really just a sign. Many times we just have to wait until we get more and better information. Early news reported that KC dressed up as ZFG and it wasn't until we had more information did we find out that was false. I am not sure how "outrage" factors in to this at all.

Does this apply to the money situation? I have no idea.

 

[jon_burrows]

Hi Jb. Actually I have no opinion as to how they are supporting themselves, I plead ignorance on that topic. But my only point was that just because something is repored in the news, doesn't make it so.
Sometimes reporting is accurate and sometimes it is not or it is misinterpreted. Case in point, the "book" that was found at the remains location and reported as such,was really just a sign. Many times we just have to wait until we get more and better information.

Does this apply to the money situation? I have no idea.

Hi JB (I just realized we have the same initials). I understand that just because something has been reported doesn't make it so. That's why I stated in my post that I heard reports. I believe some reports are much more credible than others. The As receiving compensation in some form or another from media outlets seems very credible to me considering their financial/work situation and the way the media works. But that's JMO. I've also heard reports of a possible movie deal but I'd like to hear more evidence on that one. If I'm not mistaken they were dining out at the Ritz with a person affiliated with the media or some network after the remains were found. Makes me wonder...

You make a good point about the book. It did look like Caylee's book.

 

[JBean]

Hi JB (I just realized we have the same initials). I understand that just because something has been reported doesn't make it so. That's why I stated in my post that I heard reports. I believe some reports are much more credible than others. The As receiving compensation in some form or another from media outlets seems very credible to me considering their financial/work situation and the way the media works. But that's JMO. I've also heard reports of a possible movie deal but I'd like to hear more evidence on that one.

You make a good point about the book. It did look like Caylee's book.

Ruh roh, so does J Baez

No argument from me on any point you have made.

 

[jon_burrows]

Hi Jb. Actually I have no opinion as to how they are supporting themselves, I plead ignorance on that topic. But my only point was that just because something is reported in the news, doesn't make it so.
Sometimes reporting is accurate and sometimes it is not or it is misinterpreted. Case in point, the "book" that was found at the remains location and reported as such,was really just a sign. Many times we just have to wait until we get more and better information. Early news reported that KC dressed up as ZFG and it wasn't until we had more information did we find out that was false. I am not sure how "outrage" factors in to this at all.

Does this apply to the money situation? I have no idea.

I just noticed you changed your post and added you weren't sure how "outrage" factors into this all. I used the term 'outrageous' meaning 'greatly exceeds bounds of reason' which is what I think of the reports of Casey dressing up as ZFG.

 

[jon_burrows]

Ruh roh, so does J Baez

No argument from me on any point you have made.

Thanks---a little tidbit I could have lived without.

 

[Jolynna]

IMO, Casey dressing up as ZFG is outrageous. On the other hand, it's very possible the As are receiving money for pictures and videos (at least in my mind).

Are you implying the reports regarding the As receiving money for videos/pics are as outrageous as KC dressing up as ZFG?

Do you have an opinion on how they could be supporting themselves now considering their financial history in recent years?

In the hearing about the state releasing the pictures of Caylee's skull didn't the SAs SAY Baez had received $200,000 plus already from picture and video sales?

The fear that Baez would ALSO sell Caylee's skull pictures to assist in paying for Casey's defense team was the SA's reason for limiting how Baez could get the skull pictures.

 

[JBean]

Thanks---a little tidbit I could have lived without.

Well every time someone says JB did this or JB did that, I thought they were talking about me for the longest time. Now I see they were talking about you!:blowkiss:

 

[karenmamo]

When Mr. Morgan raised his voice near the end and shouted (?) yes or no..the way you like it.....
that was just a glimpse of what we will see during the civil trial.
John Morgan was taking all the theatrics from both George and Cindy because John's day is coming. He is going to cut them to shreds.
They will rue the day they behaved in the way we all saw.
I can see it...
I can see it...
I cannot wait....G&C will not know what hit them....and it will keep hitting them...over and over and over.
You go mad john.
JMO naturally

and boy oh boy...Conway better think about preparing them for Big John at High Noon !!

 

[mitzi]

Ruh roh, so does J Baez

No argument from me on any point you have made.

And J Brodsky! Just sayin'! :crazy:

 

[Eric's_Iguana]

When Mr. Morgan raised his voice near the end and shouted (?) yes or no..the way you like it.....
that was just a glimpse of what we will see during the civil trial.
John Morgan was taking all the theatrics from both George and Cindy because John's day is coming. He is going to cut them to shreds.
They will rue the day they behaved in the way we all saw.
I can see it...
I can see it...
I cannot wait....G&C will not know what hit them....and it will keep hitting them...over and over and over.
You go mad john.
JMO naturally

and boy oh boy...Conway better think about preparing them for Big John at High Noon !!

I hope so!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Can't sleep and began thinking about all this ZFG stuff. KC was arrested June 16. A CZG visited Sawgrass on June 17. Despite everything else that is wrong, how is this KC's fault? I've been swept up in the case and so much has happened.

Why is KC responsible for this particular happenstance? She never accused this particular woman right?

Please don't answer with loaded emotion. I want to understand from a legal standpoint why this is KC's problem. Why she would have to clear a person that she never accused?

 

[Ezryder9]

Many new sources also reported that KC dressed up as ZFG and went into Sawgrass. I don't think that really happened though.

Oooohhhh, I'm on thin ice asking a mod this, especially such a cool mod, but, can you link me to some of these? I hadn't heard this. And the thought made me chuckle and think, gee, I hope there's video! TIA.