ZG Hires Attorney - Lawsuit Against Casey Anthony Part 2

[ZubenElSchemali]

My goodness. If she'd been planning this since October of 2007 then why wouldn't she have been smart enough, when she was getting tickets for the others for the PR trip to also steal a ticket for herself and Caylee then simply loose her there, a perfect cover.

The only logical conclusion to come to is that she was trying to track down more about her or another way to contact her before June 16 which only adds support to the possibility there was a real Zanny. I'd also like to know why LE didn't release any of the contact info Cindy gave them. This isn't the first time I've heard her say this. I, for one, have done enough searching to know there are quite a few ZGs LE could have tracked down but didn't.

Where is the statement from Casey about the car please? I'm not recalling that one and would like to have all the facts. I'd like to know where the info about ZG's car on June 16 also, just in case her attorney loaned her one. (Just kidding... Or am I?:waitasec:

 

[carrie]

I think I might at least check on where he was and he was doing before I suggested the President could have done it. Not everything is possible

Obviously I'm not suggesting the president did this, I'm using that as an example to make a point.

That point is that, since none of us saw it with our own eyes, nor do we know all the evidence yet, technically, anything is possible as to how Caylee died. I don't think based on a mere possiblility that IMO lacks sufficient evidence of wrongdoing (unlike the situation with KC) that the A's should be condemned and put through some of the things they have been put through.

The poster I responded to had said, that it was "possible" the Anthonys were involved in either the alleged murder or the alleged cover up. IMO I don't believe there is any convincing evidence thay've done anything wrong or they'd have been arrested by now. Yet it seems, and I'm not directing this at you personally in any way, it seems some people respond with glee when they see them A's being raked over the emotional coals about their granddaughter's death. It just isn't fair or right IMO.

 

[ibyoungr]

She wouldn't have necessarily had to "sit at Sawgrass" waiting for a Z to show up.

It is more likely, in my mind, that she was driving aimlessly around, trying to come up with a story, went thru Blanchard Park in her travels, stopped in Sawgrass (maybe to ostensibly inquire about an apartment?) as she was in the area and was familiar with it, saw Z in the office along with her guest card and went with it because it fit her under-formulation story. Or maybe seeing her and hearing her name it was the trigger for formulating her story.

FWIW, the BOA that she cashed Amy's check at is next door to Sawgrass, so it is an area she was familiar with and visited in the month she was missing.

In your opinion she "had more important things to be doing" but in my opinion, one of the most important things she had to be doing around this time is coming up with a plausible story to explain what happened to Caylee. It stands to reason that it had to be one of the uppermost tasks in her mind.

Her picture was shown to the SG apt employees, they did not recognize her. She was already familar with the apt complex. Zenaida herself can not put Casey in the apt complex office with her that day. Police have interviewed the apt complex employees and have evidently ruled out that she was NOT there. If not, they would have taken more time there to investigate maybe even brought in the cadaver dogs.


I am not a Anthony or a Casey fan... I just do not see any proof that Casey was at Sawgrass that day. No eyewitnesses, no guest card signed, nothing....

... we do have a dead baby in the trunk or at her parent's home, pings near a sex buddy home, pings near JG's apt, pings near a park that she supposedly says "Caylee was taken out of her arms" and the last place she saw her and got a script. Last but not least, a neighbor that sees her "back into the garage."

I just think it is just as likely if not more likely she heard the name Zenaida at the grocery store, the mall or knew of her neighbor.

Give me one tiny piece of evidence she was at SG there that day.. not a what if... not just "too big of a concidence"...just a shred.

I am fair minded please show me, because during the ZG civil trial... this will be an issue to a certain extent.


BTW, just to sleuth this out.. her last text was to Troy Brown before the phone went off with no pings for 3 hours. Do we know what that text said?

Casey was not to concerned about shutting off her phone to cover her tracks for 31 days or to clear her tracks that she used the family computer on June 16th. Why would she shut off her phone at Sawgrass or "while she was just aimlessly driving around?"
She seems like the person that would want to shut it off while she was having sex with Tony R.

 

[whiteangora]

They could have answered each question is a simple non-combative way. Instead they chose to appear guilty, appear like liars, defensive and ridiculous.

Did you Cindy believe Caylee was missing on July 3.

Cindy could have said: No

He shows her the diary entry:

Cindy could have said: She was missing from my day to day life at home, but I knew she was with her mother, so missing as in from my home not in general.

END

Instead she went nutso.

bold,me

I think she came that way too.:crazy:

 

[whiteangora]

If you accuse a imaginary person of committing that crime that you committed and a real person, with that unusual name, happends to be associated with places you have been and where your friends lived and MS pages, I think you deserve whatever a person with that name gives you. Sorry guys, but I'm not getting it. You do remember she used this name as a cover up for THE MURDER OF A TWO YEAR OLD??

Caylee has become totally lost and not one person from her family has chosen to stand beside her, instead they are more worried about deals, money, buying property to spite other people and lying for the person who killed her.:furious:

 

[MaedchenX]

I was unaware of that can you link me to documents please? that's shocking to me.

CASEY ANTHONY: Silver Ford Focus 2008, four-door. The windows aren`t tinted. It`s very basic. There`s a pink floral carseat on the right passenger side, in the back seat. That`s the car seat that she`s had for Caylee, and that`s why Caylee doesn`t...

This is just from the NG transcript from Dec 4th (here:http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/04/ng.01.html)

I will try to find the original and other sources where she has mentioned it.

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

I agree with you completely. No one knows what goes on inside anothers heart and mind and "bedroom." Nor do they have the right to. George and Cindy have not committed a crime. It's so sad to see them put through this.

I'm pretty sure George & Cindy have committed crimes....they have refused to co-operate with LE unless they are given immunity. We have all seen them tell many many lies to LE during the course of the investigation. Lying to LE is a crime, KC was charged with it. And, as BC said yesterday, when taking the 5th was raised in the depo, that they are being investigated by LE for obstruction charges. Not just any old obstruction, but obstruction in the investigation of the murder of an innocent 2 year old baby.

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

I am not a Anthony or a Casey fan... I just do not see any proof that Casey was at Sawgrass that day. No eyewitnesses, no guest card signed, nothing....

respectfully snipped...

With all due respect, other than for the murder trial, why does it matter if KC was at Sawgrass that day or not? The important matter re Sawgrass is that KC said ZG lived there, and this ZG had in fact looked at the very apartment KC said she left Caylee at.

 

[Muzikman]

Her picture was shown to the SG apt employees, they did not recognize her. She was already familar with the apt complex. Zenaida herself can not put Casey in the apt complex office with her that day. Police have interviewed the apt complex employees and have evidently ruled out that she was NOT there. If not, they would have taken more time there to investigate maybe even brought in the cadaver dogs.


I am not a Anthony or a Casey fan... I just do not see any proof that Casey was at Sawgrass that day. No eyewitnesses, no guest card signed, nothing....

... we do have a dead baby in the trunk or at her parent's home, pings near a sex buddy home, pings near JG's apt, pings near a park that she supposedly says "Caylee was taken out of her arms" and the last place she saw her and got a script. Last but not least, a neighbor that sees her "back into the garage."

I just think it is just as likely if not more likely she heard the name Zenaida at the grocery store, the mall or knew of her neighbor.

Give me one tiny piece of evidence she was at SG there that day.. not a what if... not just "too big of a concidence"...just a shred.

I am fair minded please show me, because during the ZG civil trial... this will be an issue to a certain extent.


BTW, just to sleuth this out.. her last text was to Troy Brown before the phone went off with no pings for 3 hours. Do we know what that text said?

Casey was not to concerned about shutting off her phone to cover her tracks for 31 days or to clear her tracks that she used the family computer on June 16th. Why would she shut off her phone at Sawgrass or "while she was just aimlessly driving around?"
She seems like the person that would want to shut it off while she was having sex with Tony R.

IB, respectfully, I could dispute every point of yours with my own reasoning, but I am not going to spend time going back and forth with you - because it is pointless. We are both speculating, and the fact is we will probably never know for sure how KC got this particular Z's name - unless KC herself suddenly sees the light and decides to explain all. Fat chance.

You think what you want, I'll think what I want. OK?

I only responded to your post about cell phone pings not showing her at Sawgrass because the fact is she COULD have been at Sawgrass that day, based on her pings and the open times. Any reasoning about her exact whereabouts in those times is pure speculation by us.

 

[carrie]

I don't understand why many people seem to feel that compassion for the A's and Caylee are mutually exclusive of each other. They aren't IMO.

I don't much feel sorry for KC. It's obvious that whatever happened to Caylee (and I believe she (KC) is guilty of at the very least: neglect and abuse, OR, at worst: premeditated murder), the loss of her baby did not seem to bother her even for a moment. She did whatever she did to Caylee and then partied on in apparent celebration. She brought whatever she gets on herself.

When it comes to GA & CA, I do feel compassion for them. Their family may be dysfunctional, many are. It's not their fault -- IMHO -- what happened to their granddaughter. KC is an adult. She had choices and she made them. There are children of dysfunctional families that grow up to be fine human beings. There are also children of wonderful families that grow up to be criminals. Maybe not the majority of the time, but it does happen. I bet we can all think of example of this.

While GA & CA have done some misguided and confusing things, I don't know what I'd do in their shoes, probably have a nervous breakdown. They love their daughter and that is not wrong. They love their granddaughter and have tragically lost her forever. Though we all hurt about the loss of little Caylee, IMO we cannot feel a fraction of what they're going through. Whatever mistakes they've made in handling this situation, I'm not able to rejoice or enjoy any added suffering they incur. It seems many so many do just that.

I feel the lawsuit is frivolous and is about the attorney wanting publicity and attention and his "15 minutes of fame" as George said during the deposition. Others feel the lawsuit is valid, and that is certainly their right. They may be correct and I may be wrong.

What doesn't seem fair to me though, is the public spectacle that's being made of it by it being publicly broadcast (I know it's FL's law). Also, the nature of some of the questions the lawyer asked are akin to rubbing salt in an open wound IMO. When they've said repeatedly she is NOT the Zenaida!

The awful pain GA is in seemed very apparent during the deposition/questioning, to me anyway.

Whether or not one agrees with lawsuit, how does feeling/expressing compassion for the A's having tragically lost their granddaughter forever and, for all practical purposes, lost their daughter forever too, equal not caring about what happened to Caylee or have forgetting about her????

I don't understand this reasoning? ---If it is ever shown that George and/or Cindy had something to do with Caylee's disappearance and/or death, then I will feel differently, just the opposite in fact.

Unless that happens, I don't think it's fair to say that because they still love their daughter they don't care about Caylee or aren’t standing up for her. Nor do I think it's fair/correct to say that because someone can empathize with the A’s for having suddenly had their whole lives turned upside down tragically and irreversibly, that person does not care about Caylee and is letting her down.

Why do so many people seem to consider the two mutually exclusive? Why does one cancel out the other?

I also believe that Caylee would be very sad for her grandparents. I think she would want them to receive comfort and to be treated fairly and with mercy — as always -- JMHO only.

For the Record: I have not in any way forgotten about Caylee! What happened to that poor baby was and unspeakable, senseless tragedy. I hope and pray that justice is accomplished regarding any and all involved in harming that beautiful, innocent, trusting little child. At the same time, my heart goes out to the A’s.

 

[LCoastMom]

One of the most repugnant things about all the carrying on yesterday was the way BC and CA tried to demean ZG, by trying to suggest she was nothing much before, so she couldn't be harmed anyway. How would they know? Because of her job? At least she worked. Because of where she lived?

I missed this, what the heck did they say?

 

[magnolia]

The jewelry was over the top for a court appearance (IMO) along with the skin-tight jeans and the rubber bands around the wrists (just like her darling daughter). Now all she has to do is learn that ridiculous strut Casey uses and the transformation will be complete. I'll bet Casey is fuming at Cindy's makeover while she is sitting in jail house clothes.

Quite different from the Cindy we saw last summer wearing an outdated pastel skirt or sloppy shorts and sandals.

She doesn't have the bod to pull off wearing a knit top "tucked" into tight fitting jeans.

 

[LCoastMom]

She wouldn't have necessarily had to "sit at Sawgrass" waiting for a Z to show up.

It is more likely, in my mind, that she was driving aimlessly around, trying to come up with a story, went thru Blanchard Park in her travels, stopped in Sawgrass (maybe to ostensibly inquire about an apartment?) as she was in the area and was familiar with it, saw Z in the office along with her guest card and went with it because it fit her under-formulation story. Or maybe seeing her and hearing her name it was the trigger for formulating her story.

FWIW, the BOA that she cashed Amy's check at is next door to Sawgrass, so it is an area she was familiar with and visited in the month she was missing.

In your opinion she "had more important things to be doing" but in my opinion, one of the most important things she had to be doing around this time is coming up with a plausible story to explain what happened to Caylee. It stands to reason that it had to be one of the uppermost tasks in her mind.

She had 31 days and the best she could do was a non-existent person who has babysat her child for 2 yrs, takes off with her child while she is at her imaginary job, no no, that wasn't it, she kidnapped her baby right out of her arms while they were at the park in June? I guess this is what Annie was referring to when she said KC isn't too bright. :bang:

She sure tried hard to be a criminal. She figured out how to snake funds using a bank code and made a believable deposit slip for 4G. :behindbar

How did she explain away the apt kidnapping? :waitasec: Did she just forget which time Zany took her child and didn't return her? Or was that one of the times LE wasn't listening?

 

[ibyoungr]

Friptzap, can you please enlighten us as to where this documentation can be found?

Good point Ibyoungr. But isn't it true the June 16th pings are within range of Sawgrass and the June 17th pings put her near the park?
I agree with the concern over the Anthonys' health. Cindy has lost too much weight and they both have been pushed beyond reason by attorneys, the media protesters and internet posters. People act as if they have every professional degree under the Sun, every available fact and the right to judge what goes on inside their head and even bedroom. It makes me so sad.

Per my research, on June 17th if she was at Sawgrass apts she would have most likely pinged off the 5809 Curry Ford Rd/ Orlando/ FL/ 32822 cell towers.

So, since this document that the police released have her at/near her parents on June 16th until 4 PM then I think that is probably what the SA office will use.
http://cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/DONE mbi-letters-murphy-monforte.pdf
I would think it would be safe to say she was at her parents and not at Sawgrass because if she was at Sawgrass she would have most likely pinged at a tower that is closer at Curry Road. I think if she would have been at Sawgrass for anytime at all on June 17th.. she would have pinged at the Curry Rd cell tower at least once and this did not happen.

Could she have shut off her phone for the 3 hours from 5:20-8:20 and drove to Sawgrass? It is possible, but not AS LIKELY as being at Jay Blanchard Park scoping out a place to put a body that was in her trunk or Tony R's for 3 hours having sex with the phone off. You also have to know what time the real Zenaida G looked at an apt. It would be MORE LIKELY that she looked at an apartment between the hours of 8am and 5pm. NOT AFTER 5 PM.

 

[momof3kids]

I dont post often so please forgive me. Is she working now? If she is living in a hotel?Who is putting up the bill? Are her lawyers? How can she afford to eat? Somebody has to be helping her. Will she ever get any money from casey? It is not like Casey has any money! The parents are not working! I truely hope her lawyers are not telling her at the end of this she will be set for life. I think TIME is the only way this woman is ever going to get her name cleared. It is sad but true this civil case just opens wounds everyday and every minute for everyone involved including us. I sometimes wish for the sake of this woman she would have just ignored it like the other 11(according to Cindy) Zenadia's out there. I think she could have moved on faster. Just my two thoughts. But I do feel sorry for her dont get me wrong.

 

[carrie]

I dont post often so please forgive me. Is she working now? If she is living in a hotel?Who is putting up the bill? Are her lawyers? How can she afford to eat? Somebody has to be helping her. Will she ever get any money from casey? It is not like Casey has any money! The parents are not working! I truely hope her lawyers are not telling her at the end of this she will be set for life. I think TIME is the only way this woman is ever going to get her name cleared. It is sad but true this civil case just opens wounds everyday and every minute for everyone involved including us. I sometimes wish for the sake of this woman she would have just ignored it like the other 11(according to Cindy) Zenadia's out there. I think she could have moved on faster. Just my two thoughts. But I do feel sorry for her dont get me wrong.

Exactly. I completely agree with you.

 

[LinasK]

Yes, my best friend in college- Mexican, not Mexican-American, legal name was S. P-G, but she went by S.P. (her father's surname)

Bumping my own post for those who believe that this Zenaida Gonzalez could not possibly be Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez. This is exactly why she could and is. She may not always use both names, doesn't mean it isn't her!

 

[Ezryder9]

From the time Zenaida filed her suit, I've staunchly been in her corner. And with all the twists and turns in this case, and my own mind-changing over matters, I can honestly say this is one time I have not changed my mind. This suit is not frivolous; it should proceed as quickly as possible; money is not the object of the case; Zenaida has every right to recover her good name; none of the Anthonys, not a single, solitary one, are NOT above the law.

I watched all of George's and Cindy's depositions. They repulsed me. I have never seen two people displaying such abject disrespect for the judicial process. Although this is a civil case, not "the" murder case (as it has been referred to on this thread) it is, nonetheless, part of the judicial process. Our judicial process is not perfect, but it's a whole heck of a lot better than anything else out there. I would encourage everyone to remember that it's your system, too, and I'm sure you would demand adherence to the process were you ever involved in it.

The line of questioning to both Cindy and George was to get them to admit that KC told many lies and stole more than once. In other words, it was to prove that she's not the most upstanding citizen. Cindy and George pretty much admitted to that, although they were reluctant. Then the questions were to determine how long they'd known of the existence of a nanny. That was established also. Remember, though, everything past the admission of the lies pretty much proves the questioning of the truth of anything KC says, right?

Cindy said KC always gave her phone numbers and addresses for Zanny. KC also gave Cindy a description of Zanny. (Remember again, though, it's already been proven that KC lies...) Cindy has never met Zanny; she has never spoken with Zanny; Zanny has never been to the house. But she points directly at Zenaida and says, "she's not the one." Huh? You've already admitted your daughter lies; you've never had contact with the nanny; on what, exactly, are you basing that comment? There's got to be proof, beyond Cindy's say-so, that it, well, ain't so.

And about Sawgrass and was KC there and was she waiting for a zanny to come along to fill in the blanks of the zanny the nanny bit. Well, I have a take on that too. (Imagine that!) Caylee "went missing" on June 16. Zenaida was at Sawgrass June 17. I believe KC somehow got that information from Sawgrass. Was it to fill in a blank? I don't think so. At that time, she knew she was in big trouble for Caylee's death, and that she would have to have some explanation, so she began formulating her cover story. Along comes Zenaida, innocently looking at an apartment. I remember hearing somewhere that KC said she went and "staked out" Sawgrass. Lee, in the undercover tapes, part 2, and I don't have the exact time stamp, said that KC called four pizza places while she was "staking out." Admittedly, he didn't know where she was staking out. Just that she WAS staking out.

I'm rambling; I know I am. I read every post. I had so many thoughts. And now they're all trying to spew forth at once. Yikes!

Bottom line's this: I believe Zenaida IS entitled to recover her good name. George and Cindy don't appear to think her name is as good as theirs, or that she's a 10, but none of that matters. Zenaida DID have a job. She has children. She is entitled to have her life returned to where it was pre-KC Anthony. And if you're not sure, just think about this:

If YOU were Zenaida, what would YOU do?

 

[coco puff]

Obviously I'm not suggesting the president did this, I'm using that as an example to make a point.

That point is that, since none of us saw it with our own eyes, nor do we know all the evidence yet, technically, anything is possible as to how Caylee died. I don't think based on a mere possiblility that IMO lacks sufficient evidence of wrongdoing (unlike the situation with KC) that the A's should be condemned and put through some of the things they have been put through.

The poster I responded to had said, that it was "possible" the Anthonys were involved in either the alleged murder or the alleged cover up. IMO I don't believe there is any convincing evidence thay've done anything wrong or they'd have been arrested by now. Yet it seems, and I'm not directing this at you personally in any way, it seems some people respond with glee when they see them A's being raked over the emotional coals about their granddaughter's death. It just isn't fair or right IMO.

No glee here. It does not matter to me what the A's wear, how they look or why are are such unlikable people. BUT anything that will stop the A's from reinforcing the kidnapping story is a good thing to me. Here's why: If they make even a few folks believe that there was a nanny, because they feel sorry for the A's or or because they don't beleive they would lie, then KC may get away with slaughtering and the throwing away her two year old daughter!!!

 

[JBean]

No glee here. It does not matter to me what the A's wear, how they look or why are are such unlikable people. BUT anything that will stop the A's from reinforcing the kidnapping story is a good thing to me. Here's why: If they make even a few folks believe that there was a nanny, through simpathy or not, then KC may get away with slaughtering and the throwing away her two year old daughter!!!

If the SA has a good,solid case, it won't matter,imo.