‘Mother hen’ to media villain: The life of Debbie Bradley - Kansas City Star 11/5/11

[cityslick]

Some of it probably is true... but why would the family let it delay the process? If police honestly harassed them during interrogation and they truly thought police were headed in the wrong direction, then they could have demanded to speak to a sheriff's deputy or some other law enforcement agency. True or not, I'm very concerned about the stalemate that's been created.

Well, although it came from JT, he did say they had a good relationship with FBI. Take that for what you will. Also, the latest comments from LE doesn't indicate they are not talking to LE at all.

 

[gluestk]

Megan Kelly on FXN reported today that the boys are being interviewed. (I thought she said today but not sure) MK stated that they will be interviewed by a child psychologist wearing an earpiece so that LE can request specific questions. MK also quoted LE as saying that DB and JI were being cooperative but continue to refuse "unrestricted" interviews. I'm assuming that means they are answering questions through their attorney but refuse to give an interview without their attorney.

3doglady,
I see, thanks.( Interesting about the child psych. wearing an earpiece. Could be the best way to talk to and question a child who is likely traumatized by his baby step sister disappearing.

 

[gluestk]

No way she was 30 pounds!

I saw one photo of Lisa sitting in a chair A( or couch) and she looked big for her age. IMO

natsound what do you guesstimate Lisa weighs? Im not good at that kind thing. lol

 

[gluestk]

I would make sure I have legal representation to keep the questioning in line!

I have no doubt what the family is saying true. That's why I am glad the KC Star interviewed DBs family & gathered add'l information . . .

People on the other side of the fence have no doubt that the family is lying.

...............maybe one day soon we will know the truth about Lisa. :heart:

 

[natsound]

I saw one photo of Lisa sitting in a chair A( or couch) and she looked big for her age. IMO

natsound what do you guesstimate Lisa weighs? Im not good at that kind thing. lol

Maybe 20 or so... I'm assuming the picture of Lisa standing up in the doorway is the most recent we've seen...

 

[In da Middle]

I have a boy that's about to be 4, and he's 38 pounds.... Lisa wasn't even one yr. old so I can't imagine she would be quite that big..

I am not sure where this 30 lb is coming from as fact. The original release of her weight was 26-30. Not 30. I would assume that they were just adding a couple of pounds from her 9 mo checkup. My oldest was 23 or 24 lbs at her 9 mo check up so I would have probably answered the same way. Yes, my oldest was 'off-the-charts' big - literally.

 

[In da Middle]

Some of it probably is true... but why would the family let it delay the process? If police honestly harassed them during interrogation and they truly thought police were headed in the wrong direction, then they could have demanded to speak to a sheriff's deputy or some other law enforcement agency. True or not, I'm very concerned about the stalemate that's been created.

It sounds to me that they have only asked that different officers be in instead and with an attorney present. I am thinking a fresh set of officers (not new to the case - just not the same ones) could be a very good idea and if this is what LE is refusing then I have a problem.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Maybe 20 or so... I'm assuming the picture of Lisa standing up in the doorway is the most recent we've seen...

I have a grandson who is 21 months and he is really big for his age. His parents are tall...dad 6'6 and mom 6'1". He's 33 #.

 

[justamommy]

Police spokesman Young responded that the last time the couple consented to an “unrestricted” interview was Oct. 8.

“What we need from them, and what we are not getting, is for them to sit down with our detectives and get answers to the questions we need answered,” Young said.

AND THEN:

The couple also receives five or six calls a day from investigators, said Short, who estimated that Bradley and Irwin each have spent about 40 hours answering police questions since Lisa disappeared.

Young acknowledged that the parents have been helpful.

“They’ve done other things, but when I say we’re not getting full cooperation, I’m saying we’re not getting what we need,” Young said.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/20/3220223/baby-lisas-lawyers-say-police.html#ixzz1czvXBKfB

Sounds to me like LE want them back for individual interviews without legal counsel and since they won't agree to that (and I don't blame them) they are not co-operating.


eta: bbm

:waitasec: Didn't another article come out later that stated otherwise?

Still waiting on those links. Do you have one?:seeya:

You want a link to a question???

Let me set the record straight here... I was not being snarky and I'm sorry you took it that way. Maybe I should have included Sparklin's post. I was asking if you had a link to the article that you thought you'd seen. I have been looking for a few days for anything from LE that would provide clarification for me. I haven't found that LE has said much on it and wondered if you or anyone had. Thanks.

 

[krimekat]

I am not sure where this 30 lb is coming from as fact. The original release of her weight was 26-30. Not 30. I would assume that they were just adding a couple of pounds from her 9 mo checkup. My oldest was 23 or 24 lbs at her 9 mo check up so I would have probably answered the same way. Yes, my oldest was 'off-the-charts' big - literally.

Amber Alert from http://pleasehelpmissingchildren.posterous.com/lisa-irwin-10-months-critical-missing-amber-a

 

[Karmaa]

That's where you and I differ. I don't think LE is out to railroad folks. Most LEO are caring people who went into the profession because they wanted to help people. There are always exceptions to the rule, but as a whole I don't find LE a sinister being as some do.

It's not about being sinister. They have a JOB to do, and that is to find who is responsible for Lisa being missing. They know the statistics, same as you. And if they believe the parents are guilty, they will do danged near anything to "break" them.

In the meantime, how is that helping to find Lisa? If the parents are innocent, then they can't answer the questions, so what WOULD they go subject themselves to that? And if they are guilty they sure don't want to be in the hot seat.

So, how this can point to parent's guilt is beyond me. They are answering all of the legitimate questions that LE puts forth. That's all I would do too.

 

[In da Middle]

Amber Alert from http://pleasehelpmissingchildren.posterous.com/lisa-irwin-10-months-critical-missing-amber-a

Yep, 26-30 lbs. Not 30.

 

[Karmaa]

I am not sure where this 30 lb is coming from as fact. The original release of her weight was 26-30. Not 30. I would assume that they were just adding a couple of pounds from her 9 mo checkup. My oldest was 23 or 24 lbs at her 9 mo check up so I would have probably answered the same way. Yes, my oldest was 'off-the-charts' big - literally.

It was never a "fact". A poster made a joke about Debbie running down the street drunk, and someone else made an offhand comment that would be hard to do carrying a dead 30-lb. 10 month old.

And then the arguing started about whether or not Lisa was 30 lb. It has gotten really out of hand. Interesting to watch it progress though.

 

[gluestk]

Maybe 20 or so... I'm assuming the picture of Lisa standing up in the doorway is the most recent we've seen...

Sounds like a good number to me. ty

 

[cowtowner]

“She would have picked that baby up and run up and down the street screaming for help,” he said of his daughter.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/0...lain.html#.TrYDcX3KlkE.facebook#ixzz1d3Az8qzN

Can she run drunk? I don't know.

Can she drive drunk?

 

[Donjeta]

Speaking only for myself, I'm signing up for the team that thinks only heartless demons cause their children's deaths and then hide that fact.

Soulless, I would actually call them. I don't think ANY normal parents cause the death of their children, hide the bodies, and pretend they don't know what happened. Only soulless people, with a documented history of being soulless.

Or something in their life where you clearly go UH OH!! UH OH look at that piece of information!! A lover they're crazy about who doesn't want children, a life insurance policy they took out on their kids the week before Halloween and they poisoned their kids with "trick or treat" pixie stix, etc.

I think it's extremely odd for normal appearing parents to accidentally kill - or on purpose kill - their kids and hide it for a month.

Heck, we've all seen parents who beat their children to within an inch of their lives - or even to death - and then call 911 or take the lifeless body to ER for help in a last ditch effort to save their child they just beat to death.

I reject the idea that a normal appearing couple could accidentally cause their baby's death and then run fast as lightening to hide that. You just never see that. Sometimes it appears that way, but when the first layer is peeled off the onion, it's clear they were murderous parents.

IMHO.

The police would have a much easier time investigating missing children if it was as easy as checking if there is a documented history of being soulless and if not, they can't be lying about what happened.

I think a psychopath or a sociopath is the closest thing in scientific thinking to a soulless, heartless demon, and everyone who killed their children and lied about it cannot be diagnosed as either. Several violent criminals have had relatives and friends come out and say good things about them. No way he could have done such a thing, she's not like that, he's a good dad, she did a kindness to someone back in the year of the cub so it shows she's innocent, he was a good kid and didn't get in trouble too muc, she seemed so normal and I didn't see any warning signs.... Some of it might be due to denial and other defense mechanisms or desperate attempts to save the perp from being convicted or the perp might have faked a facade of goodness but I think some of it is probably true and there has been some good in the history of people who also did very bad things. Some modern religions are adamant that people have the capacity to do both.

That's why a human interest article showing that someone has a good side or a bad side is not imo proof of guilt or innocence, just that they have a good or a bad side. It's often a matter of who you get to talk to you. You could find people in my past who have negative things to say about me and if you talked to my dad he would probably say he likes me.

Alcohol and drug abuse are IMO one thing that can change parents who appear so normal. Someone I know was always nice and social, had a great sense of humor and a smile on his face and everybody liked him but he was a very mean and threatening drunk within the four walls of his home and there was some DV. If Lisa's parents are involved IMO alcohol could be a factor. I see it as a potential warning sign that DB said she wants her adult time two or three times per week and apparently thought nothing of getting plastered in front of children with no sober adult available. It is IMO an irresponsible action that is in stark contrast with the mother hen image, and if it's a regular thing I would worry a lot, particularly with a history of addiction problems in the family.

I don't think lying about one's wrongdoings is necessarily a sign of having no soul. Maybe just a cowardice. People documentedly go to absurd lengths to avoid having to face the responsibility and the consequences of doing minor things that are not a crime whatsoever. There is a thread in the Bizarre forum about a guy who called LE to report a burglary in progress when his girlfriend was about to see another female in his home. He was not about to be imprisoned for having a bit on the side but would he stand up straight and face the music? No, too scared of the old lady I guess, better lie to LE because the consequences are not nearly as scary. :waitasec:

Concealing a honest accident is not something that parents would be likely to do IMO (because why would they?) but some might prefer to try to conceal severe (drug related?) negligence, child abuse or other criminal activity, fearing the loss of their freedom, relationships and good standing in the community, the custody of remaining children etc. over doing the right thing.

I think living a lie and concealing your crime absolutely may lead to losing your soul eventually. If someone started out with a smidgen of conscience but chooses to live a lie and never take responsibility for what they did to their child, and pretend every day to not know the things they know, they might have to kill off that part of their soul that keeps telling them it's the wrong thing to do, to cope with the dissonance between the moral values and their actions.

 

[Karmaa]

Let me set the record straight here... I was not being snarky and I'm sorry you took it that way. Maybe I should have included Sparklin's post. I was asking if you had a link to the article that you thought you'd seen. I have been looking for a few days for anything from LE that would provide clarification for me. I haven't found that LE has said much on it and wondered if you or anyone had. Thanks.

It's a good point though. I have never seen anything from LE saying that their idea of an unrestricted interview includes the parents having a lawyer.

CS said that was their understanding that unrestricted meant "no lawyer", and LE has talked about it since those comments were made, without denying it. That is a pretty clear indication that "unrestricted" means what the lawyers think it does. No Lawyer.

If there is a link otherwise, I too would like to see it. (But honestly, people have been asking for this link for a few days, and no one has produced it yet, so I am kind of doubtful that it exists.) JMO

 

[Donjeta]

It's not about being sinister. They have a JOB to do, and that is to find who is responsible for Lisa being missing. They know the statistics, same as you. And if they believe the parents are guilty, they will do danged near anything to "break" them.

In the meantime, how is that helping to find Lisa? If the parents are innocent, then they can't answer the questions, so what WOULD they go subject themselves to that? And if they are guilty they sure don't want to be in the hot seat.

So, how this can point to parent's guilt is beyond me. They are answering all of the legitimate questions that LE puts forth. That's all I would do too.

How do we know they're answering all the legitimate questions?

Who gets to define legitimate?

 

[DeAnn]

Am I missing something? Wouldn't it be unconstitutional for KCPD to expect parents to agree to an interview WITHOUT their attorney(s)?

All I have ever heard is they want separate interviews with no restrictions on questions.

 

[Lori_TX]

Lori_Texas,
I have a teeter totter thought pattern going on with DB. Could DB know what happened and covered it up? Or did something happen to Lisa and DB not know about it until after the fact? I don't know..........................did someone cover a terrific accident up for DB?
Was Lisa taken by someone?

Gluestk, I can totally see any one of those theories as feasible. The one that stands out most to me personally is - did someone cover a terrific accident up for DB? I think that is one which I would consider one of the top theories in my mind. I can easily see JI or her brother (or anyone else who is loyal to DB, for that matter) possibly helping cover up a true accident.

But why on earth would someone NEED to cover up an accident in the first place?

I know we have seen crazier things, and we have obviously seen that particular theory successful at trial, but I just don't know.

I too am somewhat torn as to what has happened here. And although up to this point my opinions have dealt with theories that DB was somehow involved, I am still completely open to the possibility that this could in fact be a stranger abduction. Either way, it's definitely a tragedy that will forever change the lives of everyone involved. I hate it, as I know everyone here does.

Hopefully, we will all get the answers we so desperately seek, the most important one being - Where on earth is baby Lisa??

All MVHO of course