04/22/2013 - waiting for rebuttal to continue

[Sydni]

I don't get why the defense would even dispute BPD anyway. It's a gift in a way. Borderline's a lot more treatable than other PDs, they experience emotion on a much further ranging scale than some other PDs, and they're not typically known to be overtly violent towards others. Undoubtedly, many even often have a childhood history of abuse that may have led to the disorder itself.

Seems totally spinnable to me...unlike psychopathy, my dx.

I was just thinking. And I'm no brainiac. But .... what if Juan was anticipating this move by the defense and that was the reason that he did not bring out all of the "cluster b" (hope I got that right) testimony with respect to JA's Borderline personality disorder. There was obviously something that was NOT addressed ... say ... maybe "psychopathy, sociopathy" etc. I think (for some reason) she is more complicated than just a straight-lined "Borderline". I think there are other aspects.

And maybe that is JUST what the prosecution wants. But, in the long run I guess the premeditation evidence is overwhelming and .. well .. nomatter what they do, she's goin' down .... just like ... this ... :drink:

 

[KPinMN]

I even copied the explanation from the clerks office of Maricopa County Court for you a few days ago and I'm not doing it again. You're wrong.
The State (01) against Jodia Arias (2)

Please read the legal thread.

Pardon my budding in on this discussion, I couldn't find where I saw it previously in the legal thread to post, but from my understanding in the online case history the parties are the State (1), Jodi Ann Arias (2), then Mitigation specialist (3). When going down into the case documents section every since motion says Party (001) - I attached a screen shot below. It would seem logical then that in the case documents section Party (001) does indeed to refer to the defendant since not all the motions come from one side. In fact in many of those motions marked Party (001) indicate clearly they are defense motions like the following:
4/10/2013
MOT - Motion - Party (001)
4/10/2013
NOTE: DEFENDANT’S MOTION TO COMPEL; JOURNALS SEIZED FROM MS. ARIAS’ JAIL CELL ON OR ABOUT APRIL 1, 2013

I think there is just general confusion over the the singular 1 versus the 001, but reviewing the case documents and noting every single one is marked Party (001) makes it obvious that the 1 and the 001 aren't interchangable. MOO, of course...I'll keep trying to find it in the legal thread and repost when I do.

 

[khaki]

Agree! If you look at Day 23 part 2 of 3, you will notice JA being noticeably uncomfortable when JM brought up the topics of Mimi Hall and Cancun trip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuDwXwt9UHs

Thanks for the link. I just started re-watching and already, a few minutes in, and I'm reminded of her bs...she says to JM when he asks her about flirtatious texts, that she broke up with him because he was "sleeping with a bunch of people" really?? no way JA. no.way. There were a few times during her testimony where she used really odd phrases and that was one of them. Another time, when talking about the scuffle in the bathroom she says something like "by those scales or whatever those things are called"

She is a piece of work. She has such a cocky attitude. I sure hope the jury saw it too and does not foget it.

 

[kayice]

Well, I hope their new doctor if they are allowed it, address violence against men by women. Because it is happening and Robert Geffner knows it.... http://www.clarku.edu/faculty/dhines/results.htm

And Jodi is the violent one, Travis only reacted to her with angry words. The defense ought to have all Jodi's violence allowed in...anything not allowed in before, should be allowed in now, imho.

 

[mck16]

I walked away and checked for Swan and peafowl eggs, checked the calibration of the incubator, pulled out chicks, watched the wolfdogs chase a Rock squirrel, identified a crazy water bird in the pond (Pelagic Cormorant, like 400 miles away from where it should be:facepalm checked the horse water..........come back and nothing's changed, sigh......:banghead:
I'm am completely addicted to this insanity, I'm ready for the men with white jackets.......:crazy:

Me too. And I am ready for this trial to move on. Tired of it. BTW==what is a Rock squirrel? I have tons of squirrels here that the dogs chase and I wonder what kind they are. They are grey/silver. Sounds like you have lots of things to keep you busy. ty

 

[Tuba]

Hoping I can find someone on Thread to humor me. The last supposed violence from Travis~throwing Falsity to the floor, choking her until she lost consciousness, plus other poignant accentuations~occurred in April, 2008. Have we ever been given the date? I searched all Threads and found mentions but never a date. She came so-o-oo close to dying, don't you know. She told us that's why she knew what Travis was capable of on June 4. How handy to have that justification for "defending herself".

 

[tomato]

he connects to ALV


Robert Geffner, Editor | ZoomInfo.com
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Find business contact information for Robert Geffner, Editor and see work ... "Batterers' Intervention: A View From the Trenches" by Alyce LaViolette ... Editor, Robert A. Geffner, PhD, Institute on Violence, Abuse, & Trauma, San Diego, CA ..

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Mar 2, 2011 – Robert Geffner, Ph.D. Geraldine Butts Stahly, Ph.D. Alice LaViolette, M.S. and. Other Invited Speakers Robert Geffner, Ph.D., ABPN is the President and Founder

www.facebook.com/Justice4Travis?filter=2
FYI - Go to AL webpage the surrebuttal witness Robert Geffner, Ph.D the ... He is a colleague of Alyce LaViolette and will rebut Dr DeMarte's claims of BPD

So is it confirmed that he will testify?

 

[Sleuth5]

Thanks for the link. I just started re-watching and already, a few minutes in, and I'm reminded of her bs...she says to JM when he asks her about flirtatious texts, that she broke up with him because he was "sleeping with a bunch of people" really?? no way JA. no.way. There were a few times during her testimony where she used really odd phrases and that was one of them. Another time, when talking about the scuffle in the bathroom she says something like "by those scales or whatever those things are called"

She is a piece of work. She has such a cocky attitude. I sure hope the jury saw it too and does not foget it.

BBM. They're probably going to spend the rest of their lives trying to forget her.

 

[kaRN]

Can Juan use Dr. D's testimony and test results to refute the surrebuttal "expert" who is going to try to say Jodi is NOT BPD? This is getting absurd. If I was on the jury & Nurmi or Willmott jumped up right when I thought we were finally getting to the end of this very long trial, I would not listen to a word of testimony!!!:banghead:

I suppose he can. I really think the jurors know the animal quacking in front of them is a duck and not an injured swan and are sick to death of the psycho-babble. If whatever ails her doesn't fit the definition of legal insanity then who cares what the pathology is. She's a danger to society with nothing of substance to mitigate her crime.

You don't premeditate crimes of passion and IMO the jury won't relate to a battered women who drive 1000 miles out of her way, back to her abuser to get battered again and then snapped. If people understood that logic, ALV wouldn't have to keep re-publishing her book. LOL!

 

[JustMeDeb]

In regards to the sur-rebuttal, I would love for Judge Sherry to say, you can't just keep trying until you get it right. I understand they have a right to do it, but man so frustrating to see them keep filing motions just to delay the inevitable.

 

[Quester]

Arias' defense wants to present more evidence
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/04/22/jodi-arias-defense-wants-present-more-evidence

 

[MistyM]

That's what makes me think that he won't be testifying about anything other than Dr. D's testing methods or conclusions.

maybe he uses the two scale graphs on the MMPI, you know the ones that Dr. DeMarte didn't use that weren't part of protocol because of lack of research backing. :floorlaugh:

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

But he never evaluated JA..........WTH?

I apologize in advance... Because I am way behind in reading... And this post may fall at an awkward place...

But this post by Bernina is so true!

Can the DT NOW bring in a Doctor that has not evaluated JA?

and.... How would JA even remember this was a crime of passion with her fognesia?

:banghead:

 

[kaydono]

Karmady,
Have I told you lately that I love you? Thank you!!
Now.....do you or anyone out there know who the following folks are?
Raphael and Janie Columbo
Michael Bertrot
David Prusha
Heather Shafer

Is Steven Taylor the friend of Travis who has been on HLN several times?
Do you know what the Udy's have to say?
Can the defense use Patricia Womack if she is talking on TV?

I apologize if this has already been answered. That Raphael Columbo works at the car rental place where Jodi rented the vehicle. Google is my brain, most days.....

 

[Sleuth5]

maybe he uses the two scale graphs on the MMPI, you know the ones that Dr. DeMarte didn't use that weren't part of protocol because of lack of research backing. :floorlaugh:

Well, I gotta say -- if it comes to a fight, my money's on Dr. D.

 

[Sleuth5]

I apologize in advance... Because I am way behind in reading... And this post may fall at an awkward place...

But this post by Bernina is so true!

Can the DT NOW bring in a Doctor that has not evaluated JA?

and.... How would JA even remember this was a crime of passion with her fognesia?

:banghead:

These are certainly interesting questions. How indeed?

 

[Retrofit]

Hahaha, JM is going to have a field day with this one.

How will he have the time to spend 44 hours in person with her, send her books and read all the stuff Violet did before time to testify? Even if he did have time, after hearing all the BPD and battered woman testimony, what would stop Jodi from changing her answers to his questions to fit more in the battered woman diagnosis? OTOH, how can he base his "opinion" on erroneous information collected by Violet.

Makes no sense to me ... so will probably be allowed.

I think the Judge is being especially cautious to keep this from ending in mistrial or re-trial after appeal. To be honest, I'd hate to be her making decisions on some of these motions.

 

[kaydono]

I apologize in advance... Because I am way behind in reading... And this post may fall at an awkward place...

But this post by Bernina is so true!

Can the DT NOW bring in a Doctor that has not evaluated JA?

and.... How would JA even remember this was a crime of passion with her fognesia?

:banghead:

This is Jodi Arias we are talkin about, she cannot recall testimony that she gave 5 seconds ago, much less way back when the murder took place.

 

[Nhic]

Poor ALV, JM destroyed her credibility so completely her ego is in tatters. So what does she do? She runs to the editor of at least one of her books to restore her ego.

This isn't about JA folks. This is now about ALV IMO.

 

[DebinGA]

Hoping I can find someone on Thread to humor me. The last supposed violence from Travis~throwing Falsity to the floor, choking her until she lost consciousness, plus other poignant accentuations~occurred in April, 2008. Have we ever been given the date? I searched all Threads and found mentions but never a date. She came so-o-oo close to dying, don't you know. She told us that's why she knew what Travis was capable of on June 4. How handy to have that justification for "defending herself".

I think the imaginary April choke-out led JA to pack the UHaul and take off for CA... only she called a few hours later... and asked TA if she could come back and spend the night...which turned into 4-5 nights iirc. I could be wrong, since that sounds like crazy talk, which probably means it's correct. Jodi never answered exactly when this occurred, except it was before April 10.