04/22/2013 - waiting for rebuttal to continue

[kaRN]

Do we know who introduced her to the company? ty

Sorry I have no idea. Somebody posted there were ads on TV at the time. Her BF she was living with testified she got involved suddenly but didn't mention how that came about.

 

[kaydono]

I respectfully disagree. Self-defense would have involved running down the hall and out of the house away from the naked man. Going to get any weapon and returning to fight is a whole new ball game IMO.

I cannot speak for anyone else, but having DV in my own personal past, I can tell you 100% without a doubt that when he threatened physical harm and death. .......I had one sole response.

RUN

 

[ElleElle]

She went on a whim?

Do we know who introduced her to the company? ty

 

[Nhic]

JM is just brilliant. He can be abrasive, sometimes too often, but nobody can trip him up. He doesn't suffer fools or liars at all, has no patience for game playing, and thinks a million miles a minute. He must have a photographic memory as well, no notes when taking testimony from a witness? Gosh.

It's really a pleasure to watch a mind like his at work.

 

[PrincessSezMe]

She would still be a convicted felon even if she got manslaughter.?

Yes, but the punishment should fit the crime. If she gets manslaughter Travis is robbed of justice IMO. She can be walking the streets again some day because she'll be eligible for parole. That's a scary thought.

 

[Lisa57]

What are our choices? Walmart person, SLC gas station person, Yreka sporting goods store person, Maricopa County PD computer forensics person, Dr. Horn... more?

I predict the Walmart employee will be last so JM can sign off with a bang.

 

[Soulsad]

I am so sorry for all that you went through. There are no words right now but if I could say something profound that would make your burden of carrying around the painful memories lighter please know that I would.
(((((:heartbeat:)))))

Can I please add this : She also made a mockery of domestic violence, and the victims. I personally went through it with my sons father - I feared my life on several occasions, had 16 stitches in order to shut the gaping injury to my left eye, filed police reports and lived in women's shelters to get away from him because my life was truly in danger, he literally went hunting for me. I didn't drive to HIM.

After going through all that, I was a domestic violence victim. I earned that badge. ALV passed it out to Arias like it's nothing.

Anyone now watching this trial can easily surmise that domestic violence claims can be based on nothing, now. She devalued my experience and MY trauma. For that psychopath.

JMOO

 

[nells]

I understand your point, however Alyce has a stage to talk about domestic violence issues - she does conferences and writes books, etc.. This was not a stage for LaViolette. She was there for a specific purpose, which was to objectively look at Jodi and Travis' relationship to see if there was abuse. IMO, she didn't do that...she took the courtroom as her stage. Well, yes, she has done a lot for women, but in this trial there is a victim who was slaughtered to death, and we have to remember that. The trial is about finding the truth about what happened to him, not how much Alyce has done for women.

I think this is spot on. I believe Alyce took the stand primarily for money, and this was the thing about which "she should be upset," to use JM's words. Her appearance in this trial was not about truth or justice but about her retirement account.

 

[BeachGirlFromPA]

ITA, but what I'm saying is that these photos were presented to Jodi on the stand. Part of her defense is her story of sexual abuse--one incident being the candy. If there was another opportunity for Jodi to play the sexual victim, it would be in those photos taken the day of the murder. Jodi never mentions candy--and she's not shy about talking about all manner of explicit acts.

I see no reason for JM & JA never mentioning a piece of candy in her Arias, if you know what I mean. MOO

What JA states or omits is a moot point. We all know that she will say or not say whatever she pleases, lie or truth, who knows. And even if she didn't mention any candy in reference to that photo, I think I was concentrating more on the concept of ongoing posts by others that may or may not agree with me, may or may not know facts about the case that I do or do not know.
We all read posts by those who have not been able to follow along as closely as others, myself included sometimes. I may misspeak, or post something totally factually incorrect. I am sure it's frustrating to others to see the same questions, same perceptions. Sometimes they kindly and lovingly straighten me out and I am quite grateful that they do. I'm also sure that there are readers who do a "Hoo boy, not another person who doesn't have it right! Grrrrr...." and keep right on scrolling by my post, never making me feel foolish or feeling as if I've gotten a virtual smacking To them, I am even MORE grateful.
I even did a jokey Cliff's Notes last week to 'keep people up to speed' in reference to misinformation such as BJuarez, is he alive? So many people pop in and out here and the pages whiz by. No one can expect to make sure that all of us know everything correctly at any time. I suppose it's a 'pick your battle' mentality. In all honesty, what JA has or doesn't have in her hooha is the least of importance in this trial. IMHO

 

[ElleElle]

Agreed. I also believe she tried to shoot first, but it jammed or Travis knocked it out of her hand.

The gunshot last was to put him out his of his misery, for a lack of better words. :/

Then she showers with him. :/

JMO
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My whole premise has been that Jodi totally under estimated what it would take to end someone's life. So, lets assume she did stab Travis first in the shower. Then as most people agree, he then ends up in front of the sink and then probably gets stabbed in the back of the head at this time, and ends up falling on floor and trying to crawl away where he gets stabbed in the back and finally gets his throat cut.
So, when she is finally dragging him back to the shower, and places him in the shower, what if poor Travis was still showing his last signs of life even after all that. Perhaps Jodi heard some more sounds from him as poor Travis was still fighting to stay alive. So then she takes out the gun to put the final shot to end what she started.

Just thought this could be another possiblity of why she finally ended up shooting him. If the shot came last.

 

[PrincessSezMe]

Now you're talkin'. And a pint of chocolate milk on chocolate milk day, and maybe a snowball or a cupcake if it's a really good day.

Don't forget the Frito Bandito erasers. Do you remember the halloween ones?

Aye, yi, yi, yi...yep I remember. :floorlaugh:

 

[Mellinyce]

You're hitting the nail on the head here. The Defense has never entered medical evidence regarding her finger, and that's because they know it will not support her story. You can bet the jury has noticed that from the beginning -- when the obvious question in their minds would have been, "so why not prove your finger was broken and end all this controversy?" It's one of many rather insurmountable obstacles for our Einstein.

:cow:

Did they ever ask JA during questioning why she never had her finger examined/or had an x-ray to "prove" Travis broke it?

Never mind...she wouldn't want to explain it to the doc at hospital and "dedify" Travis...it's late, my mind is scrambled, I need sleep.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I don't like Yreka.

 

[Angelina Frost]

OR throwing the baby out with the bath water...which FCA actually did... The Judge is NOT going to allow any lesser included, she can't due to the Self Defense argument. The DT has become the Whirling Dervish Tasmanian Devils and they are going to go on and on and on with any motions of any kind until the jury actually starts to deliberate. And I bet, they'll keep filing motions until the Guilty verdict is read. Bumbling comes to mind when thinking of them. This jury gets it, and this jury will deliver Justice for Travis and that's all that will ever matter.

BBM

I'm thinking the judge lets in manslaughter.

Even though we know it's a complete fabrication, we have the defendant (testibaloney is evidence) saying that she had the gun, pointed it at TA in an effort to stop his advancing on her and in the struggle, the gun went off/she pulled the trigger. She said she didn't mean to shoot him.

I think she gets it in because she's admitting to holding a gun and pointing it at him, pre fog of course. Handling the gun indicates that she'd have knowledge that kind of reckless behavior could endanger him, but she killed him unintentionally.

 

[Sleuth5]

Aye, yi, yi, yi...yep I remember. :floorlaugh:

I can remember trading them before school. Everybody was trying to get the whole set of colors, and the rare Golden Bandito. I dont' recall ever getting one, myself.

 

[kaydono]

Can I please add this : She also made a mockery of domestic violence, and the victims. I personally went through it with my sons father - I feared my life on several occasions, had 16 stitches in order to shut the gaping injury to my left eye, filed police reports and lived in women's shelters to get away from him because my life was truly in danger, he literally went hunting for me. I didn't drive to HIM.

After going through all that, I was a domestic violence victim. I earned that badge. ALV passed it out to Arias like it's nothing.

Anyone now watching this trial can easily surmise that domestic violence claims can be based on nothing, now. She devalued my experience and MY trauma. For that psychopath.

JMOO

So sorry to hear about your painful past. Just know you are not alone. Its been 10 years since my DV, but minimizing or making a mockery of the experience still, to this day, touches a raw nerve with me.

 

[ElleElle]

Springtime! :rocker: Loving it! The west is the best... Jim Morrison. :rocker:

:floorlaugh: No, but anything west of CB is pretty much anywhere in Canada.

How's the best coast? :rocker:

 

[neesaki]

Oh dear. It would be awful if the DT had hoodwinked a really good person. :rocker::rocker:

Absolutely, I remember Dr. Geffner being a very good person. That's why I'm disturbed that he would have anything to do with this DT and JA's case on their behalf.

I agree it would not be a good thing for the DT to take advantage of a good man. This DT, how do I say it.... they are truly too desperate to win. They really do need to get a grip. They need to realize that this or any case, is not just about winning. They need to realize and remember that there is more than winning. That what is right is what really matters; that's worth more than just "winning". This whole "winning" thing I think has become a pariah.

 

[Mellinyce]

BBM

I'm thinking the judge lets in manslaughter.

Even though we know it's a complete fabrication, we have the defendant (testibaloney is evidence) saying that she had the gun, pointed it at TA in an effort to stop his advancing on her and in the struggle, the gun went off/she pulled the trigger. She said she didn't mean to shoot him.

I think she gets it in because she's admitting to holding a gun and pointing it at him, pre fog of course. Handling the gun indicates that she'd have knowledge of that kind of reckless behavior could endanger him, but she killed him unintentionally.

and the manslaughter quarrel thingy says clearly that THERE HAS TO BE NO COOLING OFF PERIOD. She had plenty of time to cool off after she shot him in the head at the point she said she did!!!

 

[Retrofit]

:seeya: WELCOME TO WS

Thanks for the welcome. I'm really enjoying being here.