04/22/2013 - waiting for rebuttal to continue

[Words2Serve]

She says that after the shot, he still continued to come after her and threatened her life. That would cancel the cooling off period, thereby justifying the inclusion of a manslaughter charge.

The murderer has studied the law quite well it seems. She covered her bases. *******. :furious:

So, he is still coming after her; why didn't he pick up the gun and shoot her? Why did she not pick up the gun and shoot him again. Supposedly he is the one who 'cut the rope' and knows where the knife is why didn't he get the knife and stab her?

She was the one who knew EXACTLY where the knife was; and while 'he is still coming after her'....She got it, and started stabbing him OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER....the only struggle was for TA.

Why not overpower her; because she planned it very well.

ETA: BTW I know THERE WAS NO STRUGGLE!! I was just playing along

 

[kaydono]

The sad thing is hundreds of men and women would respond to this. :facepalm:

I agree. Some people are such clueless boneheads. JS

 

[Sleuth5]

It's 9pm, 55 F/ 13 C here at the moment.

9:00 PM, 54 here, nearly identical.

 

[kaRN]

I was the opposite.. I stayed and fought. I think I was in shock and pissed...I'm lucky to be alive.

I think you did exactly what you had to as well in your situation. I'm glad you're here to tell your story SweetT but I'm sorry you had to live through that!!

 

[Mellinyce]

I admire your willingness to self disclose. Even now, I cannot fully tell my story of abuse. It's still raw and, if this makes any sense, embarrassing.

Just so you know kaydono...NO ONE here will judge you! NO ONE here will make less of what happened to you! And NO ONE here will make you feel anything BUT WELCOMED! If and when you are ready...YOU will know... and you will see for yourself how this caring family here at WS really is dear. =)

 

[neesaki]

The sad thing is hundreds of men and women would respond to this. :facepalm:

Just a note: Why would anyone think JA is, as described by the HLN talking heads, "beautiful" "gorgeous", etc. She is such a totally ugly person.

 

[Chelly]

What a long, long, long weekend. I am looking forward to tomorrow like it is Christmas.

I've cancelled and rescheduled all appointments so i can watch the remainder of the trial without interruptions. Tonight, I actually snapped at non-trial-watching-friends who teased me about my fixation with Juan.

 

[kaydono]

So, he is still coming after her; why didn't he pick up the gun and shoot her? Why did she not pick up the gun and shoot him again. Supposedly he is the one who 'cut the rope' and knows where the knife is why didn't he get the knife and stab her?

She was the one who knew EXACTLY where the knife was; and while 'he is still coming after her'....She got it, and started stabbing him OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER....the only struggle was for TA.

Why not overpower her; because she planned it very well.

Bottom line is, if he was truly chasing her, the safest route to escape him would be to run outside. Naked Travis would not have followed her outside. At least I can assume he would not choose to go streaking through his neighborhood.

 

[kaydono]

Mark Eiglarsh is hilarious. Dr. Drew, not so much.

 

[Pink Panther]

So, he is still coming after her; why didn't he pick up the gun and shoot her? Why did she not pick up the gun and shoot him again. Supposedly he is the one who 'cut the rope' and knows where the knife is why didn't he get the knife and stab her?

She was the one who knew EXACTLY where the knife was; and while 'he is still coming after her'....She got it, and started stabbing him OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER....the only struggle was for TA.

Why not overpower her; because she planned it very well.

ETA: BTW I know THERE WAS NO STRUGGLE!! I was just playing along

In 62 seconds.

 

[kaydono]

I think you did exactly what you had to as well in your situation. I'm glad you're here to tell your story SweetT but I'm sorry you had to live through that!!

You had children to protect, at the time I was in my early 20's and had no children. I only had myself to protect.

 

[katiedid2]

Every profession has a share of their bad seeds. I really believe Alyce is a bad seed. To set in her ways to see the truth at times. Have seen so many bad men that she can not even force herself to see any man as a victim. Sometimes people go past their prime and I think Alyce has hit that mark. Her opinions in court were all based on half stories. Stories by a known liar at that. She did not seek out the truth. She twisted Travis' words to help Jodi. She twisted Jodi's words only when she needed them to help Jodi. Sure people should not be making death threats that is gone way to far. At the same time I think that people should be able to speak out about her without them being labeled as bullies. I'm not saying that is what you are doing but I've seen it before other places. IMHO I think she hurt victims ( especially male victims) of domestic violence way more then help them with this testimony. I'll give her credit for helping to highlight domestic violence ( and helping your sister ) but for me she is no hero. In all honesty Alyce was a bully on stand herself the way she spoke to JM was as if he was below her. Her snippy comment about putting him in time out. I guarantee she would take issue ( classifying it as verbal abuse) if someone made that statement to her. I would hate to be a man anywhere near her IMHO I think she has the ability to be verbally abusive towards men.

Absolutely agree! We had a dose of her with the prosecutor. I don't know if it was because she was going to perform for her friends and family against. Juan (male).
Who brings an audience to court! Than gets snippy/ snarky! With an officer of the court? Maybe she recorded it to play back later?

 

[Ransom]

"It appears Dr. Geffner is a hired gun on Death Penalty cases and in the matter of David M. Clarke his testimony was found to lack credibility.

The state trial court found that Dr. Geffner's affidavit lacked credibility for three reasons: (1) the evaluation, which makes conclusions as to Clark's conduct in 1987, was conducted five years later, in 1992; (2) Dr. Geffner did not review the court records or a transcript of the trial testimony; and (3) Dr. Geffner relied upon records from Clark's childhood in Pennsylvania, with no records since 1976, and upon hearsay information supplied by Clark's attorneys, with no independent verification of the information, and interviews with Clark. The state court further found that, even if credible, Dr. Geffner's affidavit does not support a conclusion that Clark was either incompetent or insane at the time of the murders, or that he did not act deliberately within the meaning of the first special issue. The state court noted that Clark testified that he had not taken any drugs on the day of the murders, and found that Clark's trial counsel had no indication that Clark was suffering from drug withdrawal at the time of the murders. Moreover, the state court pointed out that, in any event, evidence that Clark was acting under a drug-induced delusion when he committed the murders would have been immaterial to an insanity defense and "would not have conflicted with the overwhelming evidence of deliberateness."


Does anyone know where this case can be found? TIA!

https://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/956/956.F2d.68.92-2142.html

 

[Pink Panther]

What a long, long, long weekend. I am looking forward to tomorrow like it is Christmas.

I've cancelled and rescheduled all appointments so i can watch the remainder of the trial without interruptions. Tonight, I actually snapped at non-trial-watching-friends who teased me about my fixation with Juan.

Well it most likely will start with a very long off camera hearing regarding the DA request for a sub-rebuttal...

Yet another delay.

Moo

 

[ttcRider]

We're still at -12C tonight.....I'm soooooo jealous.

Anything on the plus side of the thermometer is welcome here!!!

I'm still wearing longjohns under my pjs fgs... :facepalm:

 

[Mellinyce]

What a long, long, long weekend. I am looking forward to tomorrow like it is Christmas.

I've cancelled and rescheduled all appointments so i can watch the remainder of the trial without interruptions. Tonight, I actually snapped at non-trial-watching-friends who teased me about my fixation with Juan.

If it weren't state testing week (FCAT Standardized Tests) I would sooo develop a "migraine" tomorrow at 6 a.m. hehe

 

[kaydono]

What a long, long, long weekend. I am looking forward to tomorrow like it is Christmas.

I've cancelled and rescheduled all appointments so i can watch the remainder of the trial without interruptions. Tonight, I actually snapped at non-trial-watching-friends who teased me about my fixation with Juan.

I think we all love us some Juan Martinez. Someone said his voice sounds like Gonzo from the muppets. I like his voice. Its not as smooth and soothing as Flores's. But it is definitely not "muppet-like.

 

[Karmady]

Absolutely, I remember Dr. Geffner being a very good person. That's why I'm disturbed that he would have anything to do with this DT and JA's case on their behalf.

I agree it would not be a good thing for the DT to take advantage of a good man. This DT, how do I say it.... they are truly too desperate to win. They really do need to get a grip. They need to realize that this or any case, is not just about winning. They need to realize and remember that there is more than winning. That what is right is what really matters; that's worth more than just "winning". This whole "winning" thing I think has become a pariah.

They're both well grown people with LOTS of experience. Imo, they're doing what they think is right. The DT isn't taking them for a ride. They've seen this pattern 1000's of times before. They believe in it, strongly enough to put their personal and professional lives at risk to internet mobs.

 

[EquallyDivided]

I admire your willingness to self disclose. Even now, I cannot fully tell my story of abuse. It's still raw and, if this makes any sense, embarrassing.

It makes COMPLETE sense. There are so many reasons to feel that way. Tell me if I cover one of the reasons : feeling foolish, repeatedly returning, giving up your identity, pushing away family and friends, failure, screw up, idiot, weak, demeaning, trusted too much, etc.

But, none of that should be internalized. That was an external influence who found prey in an optimistic, big heart. That's it.

Again, my experience was 20 years ago, and I'm now almost 38 years old. Scary, huh? Teen mom, the whole nine yards.

Talking about it very scary, because you don't want the work to view you through those lenses, or judge you by the depths that you lowered yourself to just in order to survive. You aren't what he said you were, the names he called you or the way he made you feel. But I completely understand. I do. In my mind, I know I'm safe - but NO ONE can touch my head - for example - in play tapping or act like they are going to hit me, even when wrestling with the kids. They know, don't smack momma's head!

My old siggy was ... My greatest success is revenge, my greatest revenge is success.

I'm now an investigator for the federal government and he believes in conspiracy theories He is unemployed and in deplorable living conditions. He doesn't mess with me, anymore.

 

[katiedid2]

In 62 seconds.

She had plans! For him and those plans DIDNT allow for him to be left warm and breathing.
She had options she just chose to ignore common sense.:seeya: