04/22/2013 - waiting for rebuttal to continue

[Nhic]

http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.asp...2801.xml&docbase=CsLwAr3-2007-Curr&SizeDisp=7

He also formed his opinion without meeting the father. :furious:

Thanks! Birds of a feather!!

JM will have a field day. :floorlaugh:

 

[TexasLassie]

She shouldn't have said she has testified for 1 or 2 men in criminal trials when the truth is she has never testified for any. And she should have been respectful to Mr. Martinez----he was just doing his job. She showed him no respect whatsoever and that didn't make HIM look bad-----it made HER look bad. I won't even go into what I think of her approaching Travis's sister after the things she said about her deceased brother who can not defend himself against accusations.

"If you were in my group I would put you in time out."!!! How disrespectful is that?
Smiling at Jodi during sidebar is another.. and on and on..

 

[EquallyDivided]

I can tell you why I think Alyce Laviollette is a disgrace: she sold out. A woman claiming to devote her life to domestic violence education and therapy decides to champion a lying, manipulative, premeditated murderer. She decides to "diagnose" a dead man with pedophilia--based on JODI ARIAS' WORD. She "diagnoses" abuse by Travis Alexander--by JODI ARIAS' WORD.

She decides to take payment for pontificating that JODI ARIAS IS THE VICTIM and TRAVIS ALEXANDER IS THE PERPETRATOR after looking at the crime scene photos.

The only believable reason Alyce Laviolette would ever look at this case and determine it to be "self defense" by "battered women's syndrome" is because she needed the cash.

JMOO

Can I please add this : She also made a mockery of domestic violence, and the victims. I personally went through it with my sons father - I feared my life on several occasions, had 16 stitches in order to shut the gaping injury to my left eye, filed police reports and lived in women's shelters to get away from him because my life was truly in danger, he literally went hunting for me. I didn't drive to HIM.

After going through all that, I was a domestic violence victim. I earned that badge. ALV passed it out to Arias like it's nothing.

Anyone now watching this trial can easily surmise that domestic violence claims can be based on nothing, now. She devalued my experience and MY trauma. For that psychopath.

JMOO

 

[Ammonitida]

I can tell you why I think Alyce Laviollette is a disgrace: she sold out. A woman claiming to devote her life to domestic violence education and therapy decides to champion a lying, manipulative, premeditated murderer. She decides to "diagnose" a dead man with pedophilia--based on JODI ARIAS' WORD. She "diagnoses" abuse by Travis Alexander--by JODI ARIAS' WORD.

She decides to take payment for pontificating that JODI ARIAS IS THE VICTIM and TRAVIS ALEXANDER IS THE PERPETRATOR after looking at the crime scene photos.

The only believable reason Alyce Laviolette would ever look at this case and determine it to be "self defense" by "battered women's syndrome" is because she needed the cash.

JMOO

Sad for anyone to defend ALV. She deserves all the scorn and HATE she is receiving right now. She took the side of a monster based on nothing more than two text/IM exchanges during the month of May/2008 (and Travis had the right to be angry), the monster's conflicting stories (for example, Jodi gave two accounts for how she sustained the injured finger and ALV of course chose to believe the account that slandered Travis), and most of all, her gender. She called Travis having his throat slit while he was helpless a "defensive episode". She's a disgusting person -- a member of team Jodi. I despise her for what she did to Travis.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

The Judge with the heavy NYC accent is on Dr. Drew right now and he is disgusted by JA's DT --- he says JA is going to get Murder 1.

I hope he's right. Also, the BPD diagnosis is not enough to get JA off death row or to arouse sympathy from the jurors. Dr. D did a great and thorough job and does not need to be doubted. JM will bring it on home in a piece de resistance closing argument.

IMO, JA is running the trainwreck of this DT and is now mandating they take on this new angle of Manslaughter by Quarrel or whatever nonsense.

Wilm*tt and Nurm* are held hostage by JA's emotional demands.

It's going to get rough soon----JA's boat is surrounded by too much fog and has sprung a leak. JA is the captain of her own Titanic!

 

[getReal]

that's why i'm still single.. durn it! :facepalm:

How YOU doin'?

:drumroll:

 

[mck16]

This may be old information, but I have some questions:

Is PPL and the Mormon Church affiliated in any way?

Why was Jodi at the PPL event where she met Travis? Who invited her?

In what city was the event held where she met Travis?

Thanks guys.

 

[RadarLuv]

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Toronto pays the bills, but home is where the heart is.

:seeya:

Toronto pays your own bills???? That you used?????

 

[Alexander family fan]

http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.asp...2801.xml&docbase=CsLwAr3-2007-Curr&SizeDisp=7

He also formed his opinion without meeting the father. :furious:

It took JM about five minutes to file an objection to their motion. Now that we know what their motion says and the funny nature of this guy's very biased relationship with ALV, we can safely say the judge will not go for this. Now it is even funnier than at first blush.

 

[ElleElle]

Yes. 2 employees, walmart, tesoro are testifying.

3/14/2013 ORD - Order - Party (001) 3/18/2013
NOTE: THAT TESORO COMPANIES INC PROVIDE TO COUNSEL FOR MS.ARIAS THE DAILY TRANSACTION RECORDS ASSOCIATED WITH ANY AND ALL TRANSACTIONS THAT TOOK PLACE 06/06/08 IN THEIR STORE LOCATED @ 1699 W NORTH TEMPLE, SALT LAKE CITY UTAH.

3/14/2013 ORD - Order - Party (001) 3/18/2013
NOTE: THAT WAL-MART INC PROVIDE TO COUNSEL FOR MS.ARIAS THE DAILY TRANSACTION RECORDS ASSOCIATED WITH ANY AND ALL RETURN TRANSACTIONS THAT TOOK PLACE 06/03/08 IN THEIR STORE LOCATED AT 1800 N MAIN SALINAS CALIFORNIA 93906

Source: http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.g...rtCases/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=CR2008-031021

Me personally? No, but others here might...

Or, because she wrote things that would incriminate her. Her journals with ripped out pages are another thing she has in common with Casey Anthony, scary!!! Gas cans too!

 

[Liebchenmutti]

Hey friends, Sellf time out tonight . I am still slow motion. A friend was on the marathon route. Feeling a little astray.

Yikes. I'm so sorry--it isn't fun to find out that a loved one was so near such evil. I am still reeling over that sweet little boy. I hope your friend was not hurt.

 

[Angelina Frost]

The Judge with the heavy NYC accent is on Dr. Drew right now and he is disgusted by JA's DT --- he says JA is going to get Murder 1.

I hope he's right. Also, the BPD diagnosis is not enough to get JA off death row or to arouse sympathy from the jurors. Dr. D did a great and thorough job and does not need to be doubted. JM will bring it on home in a piece de resistance closing argument.

IMO, JA is running the trainwreck of this DT and is now mandating they take on this new angle of Manslaughter by Quarrel or whatever nonsense.

Wilm*tt and Nurm* are held hostage by JA's emotional demands.

It's going to get rough soon----JA's boat is surrounded by too much fog and has sprung a leak. JA is the captain of her own Titanic!

BBM

Unfortunately for Einstein there's NO WAY to place a near decapitation under the umbrella of manslaughter by quarrel/crime of passion nonsense. Cutting someone's throat is deliberate and savage. Two possibilities there, neither speak to manslaughter or crime of passion.

1) she did it to silence him or 2) she wanted him dead asap. There were no hesitation marks, per Dr. Horn. For anyone on that jury to fail to grasp this concept would be a monumental breakdown in common sense.

 

[Nhic]

Toronto pays your own bills???? That you used?????

:floorlaugh: No, alot of us Canadian Maritimers go west where the money can be made, that money earned pays our bills. LOL

But our hearts never leave our homes, and we all return to our homes eventually. :seeya:

 

[InALandFarFarAway]

The worst part is that her defense team sits there while she is drawing these pictures and does nothing. Absolutely nothing to stop her.

They have no control over her. She probably gives them that dead stare and then whispers into JW's ear, "I know where you live."

Nurmi sits as far away from her as possible and won't even look at her.

 

[ElleElle]

BBM~ Yes, or maybe she used the gas as an accelerant? Maybe she had the gun/knife in SLC?

I still never understood why she refilled the gas cans in SLC, she was out of Arizona. Why not just gas up the tank? Was it to explain the gas cans when she got home???

 

[BeachGirlFromPA]

There is not candy there. It is her inner labia, and when she's on her back, the labia are hanging down the opposite way. I'm sick of hearing this--there was no candy there! She was asked about the photos on the stand, and that was never mentioned. It was only mentioned in a previous sex romp--and is the reason she missed Lonny's baptism...she was using candy in a sex act with Travis.

She has very large inner labia. Google the term & you'll see a lot of women look like Jodi. (only Google it if you're brave! NSFW)

Also, the candy was Tootsie Pops--lollipops, not Tootsie Rolls

I also totally agree that she was willing to do whatever she could sexually to keep Travis

In total respect, in any area we can all see or perceive things differently. I stand on the side of 'I'm not sure what I see there."
But I fully agree that others may see something. In any case, I totally respect others' views. If I find myself getting frustrated about what I perceive as misinformation and it's occurring repeatedly, I just keep on reading.
I know that I often come across as fairly black and white. I sincerely hope that none of my posts, in which I disagree on a concept, ever seem challenging to the poster and not the post. That is one of my favorite rules here, to respond to the post, and not the poster.
I will never see certain candies the same way again

 

[Nhic]

I still never understood why she refilled the gas cans in SLC, she was out of Arizona. Why not just gas up the tank? Was it to explain the gas cans when she got home???

And she said she wanted to use gas cans to save money on gas. How much would 15 gallons of gas weigh in the trunk of a car? Hauling that weight would increase gas costs on a road trip.

JA isn't as einsteiny as she thinks she is. :floorlaugh:

 

[TexMex]

Exactly! I re-listened to Mimi's direct, cross, and re-direct today and here is where the hacked emails come into play (I think). Mimi testified that Travis asked her to go to Cancun with him in the beginning of May. Juan asked her if she could remember specifically- she couldn't- she just knew it was in the first week or so.

She was immediately going to turn him down, but thought better of it when he told her that she would be staying with a family (they both knew) and that everything would be paid for- meals, activities, flights etc. She had already had the talk with Travis about only being friends and he had been good about it and wanted very much for them to work toward being good friends- she liked him and thought he was fun, and had fun when she was with him- she just wasn't interested in anything more.

So, she tells Travis she will think about it. She testified that 2-3 days later she told him yes, she would go. Juan asks her how she and Travis communicated during this time- she states by phone, text, and email.

About a week later she tells Travis (I could easily see there being some part of this communication in writing) that he really should take someone else with him- and he tells her (or writes?) THAT THERE IS NO ONE ELSE HE WANTS TO TAKE- so she agrees to go.

Boom! This is what she found out through the emails- I am certain. I have thought for a long time that the Cancun trip was NOT the catalyst- I have now changed my mind.

Jodi must have freaked when she saw the fantastic shape Travis was in physically- he looked good. He never tried to lose weight or get in shape for her. She knows what a horn dog he is and how sexual he can be AND she knew he wanted to marry Mimi. Cancun could potentially go along way to making that happen in Jodi's mind.

After all- Travis is to her- irresistible, why wouldn't he be to Mimi? He was going to woo Mimi in a very romantic, beautiful place (in Jodi's mind) and all of his PPL friends would love her too (the fine, born in to the church Mormon girl, graduated from BYU, great job at JP Morgan- all the things Jodi wasn't and would NEVER be).

Add to that- IF Jodi was originally on the ticket and HE CHANGED THE COMPANION FROM JODI TO MIMI- well, the plot was conjured and then set into motion. I have no problem believing Mimi was next. None, whatsoever!

I was just watching Martinez cross her about Cancun. Her demeanor changes whenever she is asked about it. Flores, Juan..whoever. Begins at 15:30



Jodi Arias Trial : Day 23 : 2 Of 3 : Memory Problems (No Sidebars) - YouTube



She testifies she was never asked to go. (Let's see if someone testifies this week that her name was on a ticket but later changed?)

She says she knew two people were going. Juan gets her to say she knew this on June 2 and on May 28

He then says that "back on May 10, he was still talking to you about sex, right?"
And even though he was talking to you about sex, he was taking someone else to Cancun, right?"
He asks her if this upset her and she answers "no"

IMO she snooped in his email, found out the "babysitter" was Mimi. This on top of everything else pushed her over the edge.

 

[Liebchenmutti]

This may be old information, but I have some questions:

Is PPL and the Mormon Church affiliated in any way?

Why was Jodi at the PPL event where she met Travis? Who invited her?

In what city was the event held where she met Travis?

Thanks guys.

I have heard that there are a large numbers of Mormons in PPL--I don't think that there's an official connection...I heard that other pyramid-type companies tend to target the Mormon Church members--I do not remember where I heard this, but I think it was on a TV show discussing the witnesses & PPL (If someone has further info or a link)

Jodi had gotten a CD with the PPL info, and I guess decided to go to the PPL Convention in Las Vegas & that's where she met Travis.

 

[Colt46]

Brought over from Legal thread 3/23/13

Quote:
Originally Posted by AZlawyer
How about...Travis went into a sudden rage and "body slammed" Jodi because she dropped his camera, so Jodi ran and got a gun and pointed it at him with her finger on the trigger and "accidentally" but recklessly shot him. Which is pretty much what she said happened.

If the gunshot alone would have killed him even without the stab wounds--which IIRC the Medical Examiner said it would--or if the stab wounds resulted from a continuing "heat of passion" type of fight stemming from the gunshot--I think a reasonable juror who believed Jodi's ridiculous story could find her guilty of manslaughter.

ETA: Really, since she completely failed to mention making any determination that deadly force was necessary against Travis, and in fact said she had no intention of shooting him at all, it seems like the purpose of putting her on the stand was not to raise a self-defense argument but rather to get a manslaughter instruction.

Posted by Katydid23:
AACCKKK. Now you are making my big brother look really smart---because he is a California attorney and this is exactly what he said tonight. I posted it earlier in the other threads because he scared me.

He told me he believes they already abandoned the straight Self Defense strategy and they are setting up the manslaughter/battered woman scenario. He practices in the SF Bay Area and that is a very big trend there--victims of gender inequality, etc.

He believes they are laying that foundation already and LaViolette will bring that home.

===============================================

Here is what I had posted earlier:

I don't know anymore. I am actually kind of worried, for the first time. I just had dinner with my older brother, an attorney. We briefly talked about this case, and I was saying how confident I was, because the DT has not and will not be able to prove Self Defense.

My bro said 'so what ?'. They are probably not even really aiming for that. A great strategy is sometimes to 'hide the ball in the laundry basket', as he calls it. You get the state to spend time and energy arguing against 'self defense' and so they feel confident in their position. Meanwhile the DT slowly builds a legal foundation for something else, and gets the judge to include the lesser charges.
__________________

So we saw this coming a full month ago. I am sure JM did as well.

BBM

Highly implausible that a dripping wet, naked Travis could pick up JA from her crouching position on the tile floor and body slam her. First of all, wouldn't he be slipping and sliding all over the tile floor? Secondly, JA claims she was in a crouching position and did a roll over before getting to her feet and running down the hallway. It would have taken her a few seconds, if not longer, just to catch her breath and get to a standing position. Travis would have already been in a standing position (according to JA's scenario) and all he and all he had to do was grab her and finish killing her. She did say she thought he was going to kill her, didn't she? There was no dropped camera, no chase, and no body slam.

Self-defense is out of the question, as well as sudden quarrel or heat of passion, because Travis was simply taking a shower. The photos are time-stamped. JA had the gun and the knife at the ready. She attacked him in the shower with either the knife or the gun. There was no chase - only a fatally wounded man trying to escape his killer and make his way from the shower to the front door. Unfortunately, he never made it.

The jury figured it out three months ago!

MOO