04/22/2013 - waiting for rebuttal to continue

[Pink Panther]

If it weren't state testing week (FCAT Standardized Tests) I would sooo develop a "migraine" tomorrow at 6 a.m. hehe

Don't worry, it sounds like the entire "half day" will be more bull chute while the jury waits.

moo

 

[katiedid2]

I think we all love us some Juan Martinez. Someone said his voice sounds like Gonzo from the muppets. I like his voice. Its not as smooth and soothing as Flores's. But it is definitely not "muppet-like.

Lol we are die hard trial addicts. it seems like 40 forevers since we seen the seal of Arizona lol.
Bring on the stress juan!

 

[kaydono]

It makes COMPLETE sense. There are so many reasons to feel that way. Tell me if I cover one of the reasons : feeling foolish, repeatedly returning, giving up your identity, pushing away family and friends, failure, screw up, idiot, weak, demeaning, trusted too much, etc.

But, none of that should be internalized. That was an external influence who found prey in an optimistic, big heart. That's it.

Again, my experience was 20 years ago, and I'm now almost 38 years old. Scary, huh? Teen mom, the whole nine yards.

Talking about it very scary, because you don't want the work to view you through those lenses, or judge you by the depths that you lowered yourself to just in order to survive. You aren't what he said you were, the names he called you or the way he made you feel. But I completely understand. I do. In my mind, I know I'm safe - but NO ONE can touch my head - for example - in play tapping or act like they are going to hit me, even when wrestling with the kids. They know, don't smack momma's head!

My old siggy was ... My greatest success is revenge, my greatest revenge is success.

I'm now an investigator for the federal government and he believes in conspiracy theories He is unemployed and in deplorable living conditions. He doesn't mess with me, anymore.

All of the above factor into my being embarrassed. It is so easy to judge, when you are looking at my life back then, outside of the bubble.

 

[Lorelilly]

So I read the article. Flabbergasting. Sickening really. Sorry... I'm just one of those people who speak my mind.

There is a section on this forum that highlights bullying. Online bullying - in particular. We've all read the recent accounts. They're heartbreaking. Rational adults speak against it. No one considers the slander, horrific and even threatening comments by online bullies as "free speech". I'm lost as to why that could even be a question???

Regardless of what someone things of Jodi Arias - Alyce LaViollette is a hero. She's a woman who's dedicated her life to highlighting domestic abuse. Changing the way society thinks about it. Creating programs that address the problem.

I'm a woman who was never abused. Independent, headstrong (but funny) and very self-aware.

My sister is not.

Today I live with her after a terrible incident that ended 10 years of domestic violence and abuse. The kind that would make most people's hair stand on end. She was battered, raped, degraded and broken in every way you can break a human being. She escaped one night with her kids when her husband tried to kill them all. I came - the big sister. Moved in - helped and stayed and am still helping.

We went through the court process while her (now ex) was charged, tried, convicted and sentenced. The sentence never undid the harm. It never will.

The day Alyce LaViolette took the stand I listened. 5 minutes in - I ran to get my sister. She had to hear what this woman was saying. We stayed glued to the trial during her testimony. We have her book on order at our local book store (currently sold out).

What my sister learned from that testimony was more than she learned from 4 years of reading, therapy, talking, discussing, trying to work things out in her own head and heart.

The trial part - the Jodi Arias issues - they all faded into the background.

I know there are many others out there - abused and abuser alike who heard all that and maybe, just maybe are beginning to understand abuse a bit better.

I don't know Ms Arias. I wasn't present in that bathroom. I don't know what happened. The Prosecutor doesn't either. Nor does Ms Wilmot, nor Kurt Nurmie, nor the doctors who testified, nor the friends, family, police officers. They're all just doing their best to give their insight in the course of justice.

But I do know this. Alyce is an amazing woman. SHE'S not on trial. SHE didn't kill anyone. She gave her professional opinion, in a court of law - and she is certainly entitled to do so - without expecting harm to come to her. I hope she can put the bullies behind her and I wish her all the strength.

She was a hired gun in the worse sense of that word. She did not come to the table with a professional opinion, she came to the table infatuated with JA. Her refusal in any way, shape or form to state JA did anything WRONG is and was wrong.
She was unaware and did not care to find out anything other then what the Killer told her. I am not bullying her! She had her mind made up the minute she walked in to the jail and APOLOGIZED to JA. She had blinders on from the get go. If she's unable to understand why many of us have issues with what she testified to...may I suggest she use some of the money the State of Arizona paid her, and interview the friends of Travis to get the "real" truth.

 

[Chelly]

Well it most likely will start with a very long off camera hearing regarding the DA request for a sub-rebuttal...

Yet another delay.

Moo

Oh Groan! Sorry to hear that. Whatever, I'll be back in about 11 hours, booing the DT and cheering Juan. I hope we'll get to see the gas can witness tomorrow.

 

[Sleuths4Me]

I don't think JS will allow a sur rebuttal from the DT. They should have had all their witnesses in their CIC and had reports from dr d so what was said by her shouldn't surprise them. I mean it isn't JM's fault that their witnesses sucked (IMO) The Heat of passion will be denied even if they got it in and switched the Jury will give them a big WTF with their guilty verdict.

For JM's rebuttal I think he will work backwards from the DT back to his CIC. Since its taken so long and jurors need to be reminded of each thing I think this will be more choreiohraphed than his CIC and we will see the true master that he is....not that we haven't already

 

[mck16]

Read the article about the DT requesting another witness to impeach or discredit Dr D. Did the DT have time to interview her? If so would it have been before or after Samuels and Alyce took the stand? Would that interview have included her saying JA have BPD? Im guessing they did not since they are scrambling to discredit her now instead of doing it before while their witnesses were on stand.

They did interview her, but I don't know when and I don't know if she had the diagnosis at the time. JW mentioned it several times re the interview.

 

[katydid23]

Absolutely. That gas can would also have to go back into store inventory. There is no record of it ever being returned and that is what I am certain the witness will testify to.

As for Tesoro, I would expect that witness to give testimony on the consecutive purchases JA made in SLC and that it was, without a doubt, gasoline only.

MOO

I am wondering if Juan might put them up tomorrow because they are pretty cut and dry, black and white, type of evidence. I think he wants the jury to have something clear and concise to chew on for awhile.

I am sure the jury remembers how adamant that the killer was, swearing up and down, that she returned that gas can that day. It can be argued that it is a little thing, an extraneous detail, as some are trying to say. But it is very Important in the overall scheme of things. And it shows the jury that the killer is still a big fat liar.

 

[wasnt_me]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6km92skS8wA

You guys seen this? it's Awesome. I found it on my CNN videos coming in on Youtube. It's almost like a movie. Well, Jodi, you were warned.

 

[kaydono]

Don't worry, it sounds like the entire "half day" will be more bull chute while the jury waits.

moo

This trial has more delays, excuses, then my daughter did, back in the day, when she made up excuses about everything under the sun, why she could not go to school. I knew better. "Bad Hair Day Syndrome" is not acceptable as an excused absence in my book.

 

[Mellinyce]

I don't think JS will allow a sur rebuttal from the DT. They should have had all their witnesses in their CIC and had reports from dr d so what was said by her shouldn't surprise them. I mean it isn't JM's fault that their witnesses sucked (IMO) The Heat of passion will be denied even if they got it in and switched the Jury will give them a big WTF with their guilty verdict.

For JM's rebuttal I think he will work backwards from the DT back to his CIC. Since its taken so long and jurors need to be reminded of each thing I think this will be more choreiohraphed than his CIC and we will see the true master that he is....not that we haven't already

Nice, work it backwards so the LAST thing they HEAR and SEE is premed and the autopsy pictures...=)

 

[EquallyDivided]

Hun, you have brought me to tears. I am SOOOO profoundly happy that you are where you are now in your life...I want to reach through this screen and literally hug you! Thank you, thank you for sharing this with us. Really, YOU ARE INDEED A SURVIVOR!!! I know I don't know you but you don't have to meet someone to know them and feel their pain and rejoice in their well being. Thank you!:heartbeat::heartbeat::heartbeat::tyou:

(((Hugs back)))

At the end of the day, I don't feel like a 'survivor'. I just feel dumb. Please, I want no sympathy at all. I just fever entry hope that people who read this can now understand how belittled people like me feel, via ALV. I also hope that my experience can help someone else. Friends that I've made after the experience don't even know that part of my life.

Survivors seem like people who were thrust into a situation beyond their control. The sad fact is, I put myself in that situation. I just have a hard time calling myself a survivor.

I will say, that I consider myself resilient. I have persevered and made my life better because I haven't used any excuses for the failures in my life. I learn, I move on and do better next time. Do better, Be better, Get better. Do, Be, Get.

 

[Karmady]

I don't think JS will allow a sur rebuttal from the DT. They should have had all their witnesses in their CIC and had reports from dr d so what was said by her shouldn't surprise them. I mean it isn't JM's fault that their witnesses sucked (IMO) The Heat of passion will be denied even if they got it in and switched the Jury will give them a big WTF with their guilty verdict.

For JM's rebuttal I think he will work backwards from the DT back to his CIC. Since its taken so long and jurors need to be reminded of each thing I think this will be more choreiohraphed than his CIC and we will see the true master that he is....not that we haven't already

paraphrasing, the motion says that there wasn't a whisper of BPD.

 

[katiedid2]

https://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/956/956.F2d.68.92-2142.html

Is this their new witness (DT).

 

[Gnatcatcher]

I'm just catching up on today's HLN programs, I'm watching JVM. I have to say, this Jonathan Lieberman, whomever he is, her latest regular commentator, I just love him. He always looks like he's in mid word about to say something while somebody else is speaking, he forms these shapes with his mouth but then never says anything, it cracks me up. but then when he does speak, I find myself agreeing with him. I don't know, I just think it's so cute that he always looks like he's got the BEST NEWS IN THE WORLD and can't WAIT to tell all his friends about it, but ... then, he doesn't say anything. Has anyone else noticed this?

 

[gloomy]

I'm still wearing longjohns under my pjs fgs... :facepalm:

Me too! Damn long johns! I need some heat - some grilling from Juan Martinez!

 

[Mellinyce]

They did interview her, but I don't know when and I don't know if she had the diagnosis at the time. JW mentioned it several times re the interview.

They deposed her and had her FULL report..unlike their own witnesses that didn't provide reports..not gonna mention any names...*couchAlycecough*

 

[TexasLassie]

Bottom line is, if he was truly chasing her, the safest route to escape him would be to run outside. Naked Travis would not have followed her outside. At least I can assume he would not choose to go streaking through his neighborhood.

Exactly! Why didn't she run out the door instead of going to the closet for the gun..She was fully clothed. Travis was naked. More than likely, IMO, he wouldn't have followed her outside naked..

 

[kaydono]

I'm just catching up on today's HLN programs, I'm watching JVM. I have to say, this Jonathan Liebowitz, whomever he is, her latest regular commentator, I just love him. He always looks like he's in mid word about to say something while somebody else is speaking, he forms these shapes with his mouth but then never says anything, it cracks me up. but then when he does speak, I find myself agreeing with him. I don't know, I just think it's so cute that he always looks like he's got the BEST NEWS IN THE WORLD and can't WAIT to tell all his friends about it, but ... then, he doesn't say anything. Has anyone else noticed this?

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh: too funny

 

[pferrin]

They're both well grown people with LOTS of experience. Imo, they're doing what they think is right. The DT isn't taking them for a ride. They've seen this pattern 1000's of times before. They believe in it, strongly enough to put their personal and professional lives at risk to internet mobs.

The ones that are being taken for a ride in this case are the State of Arizona Taxpayers and the jurors having to give up their lives for the DT carp. JMO