06.29.2010 Nancy Grace

[For The Kids]

So then Kaine knew about child abuse and let it slide?

I firmly believe, no matter how this unfolds, disturbing facts about Kaine are going to rise to the surface.

Not directed at you, but a lot of people have stated that they believe they're missing the obvious elephant in the room, and I think it's Kaine.

Some event or series of events led to Desiree Young leaving Kaine when she was near her due date with Kyron, and something about Kaine and his behavior caused her to take out a RO. Now we're hearing that Terri's 16 y/o son may have butted heads with him? Also, in the news conferences, he hasn't been very emotive, either.

Not necessarily. I am pretty positive the police would have asked J why he left home and I personally think HE has made claims of abuse against his mother that maybe Kaine didnt know about til recently.

MOO

 

[Pensfan]

I'm still in law school, so someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but the idea of "facts" as we know them in real life is a bit different than a statement of facts in court. Basically, KH's attorney drafted a statement of facts for the judge, but those facts are presented in a way that favors KH. Then, TMH's attorney gets a turn to dispute those facts. It appears, for whatever reason, that they weren't disputed. However, just because they are not disputed does not make them true.

The judge may only rule on the facts presented to him or her. Because TMH did not dispute the facts, his/her ruling is based on the statement of "facts" drafted by KH's attorney. How truthful they are is a matter of degree - and with the court documents sealed, there's no way to really sleuth out the situation from that angle.

Basically, it's a bit more complicated and biased than NG is portraying it to be.

If Terri has an arrest record or if the judge is knowledgeable about filicide/suicide statistics or if LE officers that stayed with the Horman's saw anything resembling negligence/boozing/abuse/etc..., Kaine wouldn't need to bring any other facts with him to get a RO signed. The judge must err on the side of protecting the toddler and Terri has the right in 5 days to take action against this RO.

 

[AbbieNormal]

And why would someone give thier child to another family member,for safety or thier own interests.And who is strict enough to train a child to sleep 12 hours and still stay in bed till someone goes to get them.

ITA with that one, which I thought sounded STRANGE when Kaine said it. Seven years old and wakes up and stays in his bed UNTIL SOMEONE COMES AND GETS HIM? That, imo, is not natural 7 year old behavior. I do believe he was "trained" to be that way. Makes me wonder many things about what was going on in that home, that's for sure. JMO

abbie

 

[Amster]

Oh I know about teenage kids.I had 4 teenage boys.I think the problem may possibly have really been with Kaine.I'd like to hear this boys side of the story.

Is there something that makes you believe that LE haven't investigated Kaine?

 

[pufnstuf]

I would suppose that Kaine has also had a polygraph, since he was off work that day.

Seems like I recall that someone posted that Kaine filed for divorce and the RO on the advise of the police? I've never known police to give legal advice, though. Indeed, most won't even suggest a course of action in a civil dispute--and will clearly tell you that they aren't allowed to do so.

So I'm wondering if Kaine is "cleared" by police yet. I have thought all along that he at the least was an accessory after the fact. This divorce/RO thing definitely causes me to second guess my earlier opinion. Ugh.

 

[pufnstuf]

If Terri has an arrest record or if the judge is knowledgeable about filicide/suicide statistics or if LE officers that stayed with the Horman's saw anything resembling negligence/boozing/abuse/etc..., Kaine wouldn't need to bring any other facts with him to get a RO signed. The judge must err on the side of protecting the toddler and Terri has the right in 5 days to take action against this RO.

She has to act within 30 days, but once she acts, the hearing must be held within five days, and sometimes immediately after she files papers contesting the RO.

Hi, by the way. :wave:

 

[winterrose]

I am sure the police have heard his side of the story. And still its Terri they are focussing on. NOT Kaine.

MOO

I'm sure they're looking at the past history of KH and DY,KH and TH,also alot on the older child.But thier interest is finding Kyron and I think maybe that's why they said that statement today.To me it was saying there is family problems,but not thier department.

 

[cluciano63]

Has it been verified that the older child was abused in some way?

I know my 16-yr old nephew moved in with his dad for a while when he did not like his stepdad's rules...he moved back not long after. It happens all the time.

 

[Tiki]

I don't think the judge would issue an RO without some kind of proof of abuse - evidence or sworn statement from a party close to the family. I don't believe KH's word alone would be enough.

 

[shelbar53]

Ive searched google, youtube and ustream. Any suggestions? Thanks!

here is a link where you can get the transcripts of her show.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ng.html

 

[pufnstuf]

Has it been verified that the older child was abused in some way?

I know my 16-yr old nephew moved in with his dad for a while when he did not like his stepdad's rules...he moved back not long after. It happens all the time.

NO...

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Is there something that makes you believe that LE haven't investigated Kaine?

I hope they did and keep doing it.

 

[nursebeeme]

sorry about my insensitivity toward our English friends: re: butting heads.

I was transcribing so fast! Sorry! Butting heads means having differences or not seeing eye to eye or not getting along. Sorry for that!!!!! I lived in Europe for six years but I was transcribing so fast I thought your comment was in English.. sorry again

 

[pufnstuf]

I don't think the judge would issue an RO without some kind of proof of abuse - evidence or sworn statement from a party close to the family. I don't believe KH's word alone would be enough.

The judge has to be convinced that abuse has happened in the past six months or that there is imminent danger. So it doesn't just cover abuse that HAS happened.

 

[pufnstuf]

Here is the application packet for filing for the FAPA Restraining Order. Explains everything.

http://www.oregon.gov/Lane/docs/FAPA_Packet.03-10.pdf

Ok... I gotta log off before I get sucked into the Horman vortex again tonight. Hope everyone has a good night.

 

[winterrose]

Maybe the judge issued it because they have proof who had a hand in Kyron's disappearance,more than we know,obviously,but to keep either child from disappearing again.I mean once Kyron is brought home or found.

 

[Pensfan]

I don't think Kaine got a RO against Terri because Terri was acting "mentally unstable". I strongly believe it was for some other reason. If Terri had been acting "mentally unstable" in the Horman's home, Kaine could have called an ambulance or LE and had her involuntarily committed to a locked psych unit for several days. This would have been much easier than moving out with the toddler.

 

[pufnstuf]

Maybe the judge issued it because they have proof who had a hand in Kyron's disappearance,more than we know,obviously,but to keep either child from disappearing again.I mean once Kyron is brought home or found.

I would think that may be so, winterrose. It would explain it being sealed, for sure. We know that there are investigative details in it, and that's why it was sealed, IIRC. So my guess would be that--even though the public hasn't learned that Terri is a POI yet--the judge found out in that hearing for the RO on Monday. Possible that an investigator testified at the RO hearing.

 

[Chili Fries]

This whole case is a frenched-up nightmare.

Maybe, maybe not. It seemed that way in the Venus Stewart case too when LE asked for the public's help in finding an imposter who established an alibi for her estranged husband, Doug Stewart. Supposedly the imposter went around Newport News Virginia impersonating Doug while Doug was really in Michigan abducting and killing Venus. At the time many thought LE had lost it but it turned out they were right and found the fake Doug, who is now testifying against him.

In this case I think there is a good chance LE has uncovered compelling evidence that we don't know about. The cellphone ping story has been out there a long time and the fact that we really haven't heard any new leaks makes me think more that they are doing a great job of keeping a tight lid on leaks than that they haven't found anything new.

Also, with regards to J, he might provide key insight into the family but his moving out may have nothing or very little to do with Kyron's disappearance, if Terri is responsible.

 

[nursebeeme]

Maybe the judge issued it because they have proof who had a hand in Kyron's disappearance,more than we know,obviously,but to keep either child from disappearing again.I mean once Kyron is brought home or found.

1) how would this apply/commute to babyK?

2) why wasn't teen so included in the RO/children she cannot see?

3) I would think the judge would require specific info for the case presented by an atty in documents that are acceptable in court. Fact is.. Kaine FILED the paperwork.. so his atty has to have filed the info to support this claim. jmhoo. It was exparte which means TH, with the ruling being exparte, means it was ruled that TH has no further contact with her baby without any testimony by her whatsoever! This is huge! What is that evidence?