10/28/11 Private Investigator Returns, Baby Lisas Family Leaves

[grandmaj]

How many children are reported missing each year?

The U.S. Department of Justice reports

797,500 children (younger than 18) were reported missing in a one-year period of time studied resulting in an average of 2,185 children being reported missing each day.
203,900 children were the victims of family abductions.
58,200 children were the victims of non-family abductions.
115 children were the victims of “stereotypical” kidnapping. (These crimes involve someone the child does not know or someone of slight acquaintance, who holds the child overnight, transports the child 50 miles or more, kills the child, demands ransom, or intends to keep the child permanently.)

How many people are wrongly accused each day out of the 2,185 that go missing? I dare guess that the statistics are not there that it is even 1 a day falsely accused.

How many people are wrongly accused each year?

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=2810#1

 

[3doglady]

Exactly. BS should have driven her to the KSPD station, seems all they've done is schlepped around for the past month. I just can't imagine the state I would have been in if someone had taken my baby. I know women who lost their babies, and I truly believe they'd give anything, do anything, to have them back - anything. IMO, DB is acting like someone who believes her baby is dead - not someone who thinks there might be hope that she is alive.

I've lost a baby (death, natural causes) and yes I would do anything to have him back. But as a nurse, I observed many different reactions to stress especially when other children are involved. We all think we know how we would act in a time of stress, but that may be far from reality. I have seen so many different reactions to stress(working in ICU), it's impossible to judge a person's guilt or innocence based on how they act. I don't know if the parents are guilty or not but they were separated by LE and questioned for 11 hours. LE initially discounted the neighbor's siting of the man and baby and made it clear they believed the parents were guilty. I'm not sure that I would trust them either.

 

[jjenny]

If LE wanted information that would help find Baby Lisa, they would not need to drag the parents off to separate interview rooms to do it. There is only one reason to do that, and it is to try and "break" the parents. Even LE agrees that the parents have been willing to talk to them, just not under the conditions LE wants.

Why do the two of them have to be interviewed together? Are they five years old?

 

[grandmaj]

If LE wanted information that would help find Baby Lisa, they would not need to drag the parents off to separate interview rooms to do it. There is only one reason to do that, and it is to try and "break" the parents. Even LE agrees that the parents have been willing to talk to them, just not under the conditions LE wants.

One reason may be to ask questions that a spouse would not want to answer in front of the other spouse.

Like for example...... affairs, abuse, drug use, sexual problems, marital problems.

As an EMT I would pick up the same people over and over and be told they were being abused. The minute the other half showed up the beating turned into a new excuse, I fell down the stairs. The same thing with sexual abuse among couples.

There are good reasons to question them apart and it is not IMO to turn them against the other.

 

[Karmaa]

Yes, innocent people can get convicted. Just as some guilty people can go free. It's not a perfect system. But since these two (JI and DB) claim their child was kidnapped, for all they know she is still alive. I'd think in such a case a parent would do everything they can to cooperate with police. Take a look at someone like Ed Smart. I don't recall him refusing for LE to re-interview his 9 year old.

I was responding to another poster who challenged me to "name one parent sitting in jail because they were falsely accused of killing their child"

My answer was Kevin Fox (although he is now free, because he proved he was innocent)

 

[stg]

I was responding to another poster who challenged me to "name one parent sitting in jail because they were falsely accused of killing their child"

My answer was Kevin Fox (although he is now free, because he proved he was innocent)

Another was Jerry Hobbs (also now free because DNA linked to a suspect in other crimes).

 

[3doglady]

Yes, innocent people can get convicted. Just as some guilty people can go free. It's not a perfect system. But since these two (JI and DB) claim their child was kidnapped, for all they know she is still alive. I'd think in such a case a parent would do everything they can to cooperate with police. Take a look at someone like Ed Smart. I don't recall him refusing for LE to re-interview his 9 year old.

Ed Smart wasn't 25 yrs old. I think these parents are following the advise of their attorneys which may not be the best.

 

[jjenny]

I was responding to another poster who challenged me to "name one parent sitting in jail because they were falsely accused of killing their child"

My answer was Kevin Fox (although he is now free, because he proved he was innocent)

If these two (DB and JI) are telling the truth, the two of them should be thinking their child could still be alive. Under this assumption, what should be their most important concern?

 

[Karmaa]

One reason may be to ask questions that a spouse would not want to answer in front of the other spouse.

Like for example...... affairs, abuse, drug use, sexual problems, marital problems.

As an EMT I would pick up the same people over and over and be told they were being abused. The minute the other half showed up the beating turned into a new excuse, I fell down the stairs. The same thing with sexual abuse among couples.

There are good reasons to question them apart and it is not IMO to turn them against the other.

But what do those questions have to do with finding Lisa? Those questions have to do with trying to determine if the parents are guilty.

I am only asking that because that seems to be the reason that most people are upset about the family not agreeing to be interviewed. Any question that could help find a kidnapped Baby Lisa can be asked and answered anywhere. The only reason to get them alone behind closed doors is to try and extract a confession.

 

[SuziQ]

How many children are reported missing each year?

The U.S. Department of Justice reports

797,500 children (younger than 18) were reported missing in a one-year period of time studied resulting in an average of 2,185 children being reported missing each day.
203,900 children were the victims of family abductions.
58,200 children were the victims of non-family abductions.
115 children were the victims of “stereotypical” kidnapping. (These crimes involve someone the child does not know or someone of slight acquaintance, who holds the child overnight, transports the child 50 miles or more, kills the child, demands ransom, or intends to keep the child permanently.)

How many people are wrongly accused each day out of the 2,185 that go missing? I dare guess that the statistics are not there that it is even 1 a day falsely accused.

How many people are wrongly accused each year?

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=2810#1

It's gone longer than a day in this case and the number you quoted are mostly solved withing a short period of time and include runaways, miscommunications between adults and the kids, etc. I would say any parent is a suspect unless they can provide an alibi. Like LE not even wanting a lie detector test from JI. He's on film working. He has an alibi.

 

[AngelWings444]

I've lost a baby (death, natural causes) and yes I would do anything to have him back. But as a nurse, I observed many different reactions to stress especially when other children are involved. We all think we know how we would act in a time of stress, but that may be far from reality. I have seen so many different reactions to stress(working in ICU), it's impossible to judge a person's guilt or innocence based on how they act. I don't know if the parents are guilty or not but they were separated by LE and questioned for 11 hours. LE initially discounted the neighbor's siting of the man and baby and made it clear they believed the parents were guilty. I'm not sure that I would trust them either.

I'm so sorry for your loss!

I understand stress can make someone do things and say things they normally wouldn't. But, Lisa went missing a long time ago. The stress levels are not the same as the first evening, first day, first week, you get the picture? Over time, everything changes and lessens, even if it's just a tiny bit, it does lessen. Lisa's parents have to be over the "stress" of 11 hours of an interview, come on! No matter what happened in that interview, there is no reason whatsoever, unless you had knowledge of what happened or did something to your child, would you not cooperate now. Regardless who's story anyone wants to believe, they have to be less stressed, calmer, and should give it another try. If they truly had Lisa in their hearts and heads, they would! JMO

 

[jjenny]

But what do those questions have to do with finding Lisa? Those questions have to do with trying to determine if the parents are guilty.

I am only asking that because that seems to be the reason that most people are upset about the family not agreeing to be interviewed. Any question that could help find a kidnapped Baby Lisa can be asked and answered anywhere. The only reason to get them alone behind closed doors is to try and extract a confession.

Because, potentially, someone who is not a complete stranger could have kidnapped the child (assuming the parents had nothing to do with it). So in that case the answers could be in parents pasts.

 

[JeannaT]

If these two (DB and JI) are telling the truth, the two of them should be thinking their child could still be alive. Under this assumption, what should be their most important concern?

I would guess 1. having her found alive, which LE doesn't seem to be trying to do, and 2. still staying out of prison so they can parent their two sons they have?

 

[Karmaa]

Another was Jerry Hobbs (also now free because DNA linked to a suspect in other crimes).

There are lots of them. In fact, many people are not aware that Mark Lunsford was the primary suspect in Jessica's murder before Coohey was found.

Public sentiment back then was that there was no doubt that he did it, and hang him! Hang him High! It was even worse than what these parents are going through towards the end. Now, of course, Mark is a respected child advocate, but ask HIM what it feels like to be the target of a virtual lynch mob.

 

[Karmaa]

Because, potentially, someone who is not a complete stranger could have kidnapped the child (assuming the parents had nothing to do with it). So in that case the answers could be in parents pasts.

Agree, but then why to the police need to bring them into separate rooms, and have unrestricted (ie: no lawyer) interviews with them? They can just ask them the questions in their living room, or over the phone.

 

[grandmaj]

But what do those questions have to do with finding Lisa? Those questions have to do with trying to determine if the parents are guilty.

I am only asking that because that seems to be the reason that most people are upset about the family not agreeing to be interviewed. Any question that could help find a kidnapped Baby Lisa can be asked and answered anywhere. The only reason to get them alone behind closed doors is to try and extract a confession.

I don't know if the parents hurt Lisa or if Lisa was abducted by another relative, a stranger, some random kidnapping... I don't know that.

But as a mother and a grandmother I ponder this in every case of a missing child. What would I do? Is my life out of jail more important (if LE makes a mistake)? Or is that innocent baby's life the most important thing to me.

I wouldn't care. I know I would rot in jail the rest of my life if some corrupt cop wanted to try to pin it on me. The truth will win out. Whether they are guilty or innocent. Lawyers will work their skills after the fact if I were accused and innocent is my motto.

But the fundamental mothering instincts that I have would force me to tell LE everything. Whether I smoked a joint, whether I slept with two clowns and a ventriloquist during the period my baby was abducted. I'd tell them what I ate, how many times I used the rest room, I'd tell them who called, who stepped foot in the house and what I watched on TV. If I drank a gallon of scotch I'd tell them that too.

Because my baby if I didn't do that is in need, great serious need of being found.

This is not about the parents. Guilty or Innocent or anything in between. Their baby is missing. If she is alive they need to rescue her. I see that as the most fundamental of all maternal instincts.

I do not believe they are looking for a confession. They are looking for the truth..... the truth about what happened that night. Retracing their steps. Who was in that house, who might want to harm them or their child. Who in their circle of friends or family are capable of hurting them this way.

The changed 3x story that has been told is not making sense. MOO

 

[Tuffy]

I was responding to another poster who challenged me to "name one parent sitting in jail because they were falsely accused of killing their child"

My answer was Kevin Fox (although he is now free, because he proved he was innocent)

Kevin Fox was not convicted of killing his child though. He also didn't have an attorney present during questioning. I also don't think the police were proven to have coerced a confession from him.

http://truthinjustice.org/kevin-fox.htm

DB and JI have an attorney, and IMO no reason not to cooperate with the investigation.

 

[Tuffy]

Agree, but then why to the police need to bring them into separate rooms, and have unrestricted (ie: no lawyer) interviews with them? They can just ask them the questions in their living room, or over the phone.

BBM:

I don't think that they've been told that they can't have their attorney present during questioning.

 

[3doglady]

I'm so sorry for your loss!

I understand stress can make someone do things and say things they normally wouldn't. But, Lisa went missing a long time ago. The stress levels are not the same as the first evening, first day, first week, you get the picture? Over time, everything changes and lessens, even if it's just a tiny bit, it does lessen. Lisa's parents have to be over the "stress" of 11 hours of an interview, come on! No matter what happened in that interview, there is no reason whatsoever, unless you had knowledge of what happened or did something to your child, would you not cooperate now. Regardless who's story anyone wants to believe, they have to be less stressed, calmer, and should give it another try. If they truly had Lisa in their hearts and heads, they would! JMO

Depends on what you call cooperating. My understanding is that the parents are answering questions, but refuse to do so under LE's terms. They were separated before and were accused and heard their partner accused. And yes, LE did try to turn them against each other. If Lisa was kidnapped how will that help?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Agree, but then why to the police need to bring them into separate rooms, and have unrestricted (ie: no lawyer) interviews with them? They can just ask them the questions in their living room, or over the phone.

Thanks for putting it into perspective. A tough question is a tough question whether it is asked in your own living room or in a interrogation room at the police station. Do the police believe that they will get "better" results from their own room?