11/29/2011 Final prayer vigil for Lisa Irwin

[Cazzie]

I remember that photo and the video it's from...it's one where many thought that DB was fake-crying...on cue, after spotting the camera on her. But I have no idea if she was crying for real or not.

I would have thought that the parents (maybe even taking turns) or another family member would attend every vigil, especially the ones at their home. Perhaps every day was too much.

 

[MyBelle]

Personally, I hope during this prayer vigil that DB and/or JI will make a public plea to ask for their baby back. You would think they could make that small teensy tiny little bit of effort. THe media will be there, so this is the perfect opportunity.

And if they can't be bothered, I'll just say pppfffffttttt....

MOO

Mel

I doubt their attorneys want them making any appearance at all. Anything they say, look, or do will be scrutinized and used at trial just as it was in the Laci Peterson case.

JMO

 

[matou]

I didn't see a request to stop praying either.

The request was for this to be the last prayer vigil. She's telling Lisa's supporters to stop these events which, for a believer, is denying Lisa her voice to God for help. This group seems very supportive of DB, no antagonism detected from them at all. She should be embracing their support and their prayers.

 

[natsound]

I will not take the OJ bait. However, were the children victims? Were Ron Goldman's parents victims?

In this case, the parents are CLEARLY victims if they are innocent. And I think that it's terrible that they are not being treated like victims. Their BABY was taken from them, and there is no EVIDENCE that they had anything to do with it. The more information we get, and the longer this goes on without an arrest, the more likely that these parents are 100% innocent. If they are later proven to be involved, then they are no longer victims, but til then, don't they deserve to at least be treated as possible victims? I think it's cruel and heartless to ramp up the accusations when there is no evidence. It's like pouring salt into a wound.

Just IMAGINE if it was your baby stolen, and everyone thought YOU did it, but you were in fact innocent. I can't imagine how horrible that would be. I will never point my finger at these poor people until someone, somewhere, gives me a reason to do so, and not just because they don't like the way the family does this or does that.

No bait. I understood your original post to suggest that we should think of DB and JI as victims because they have not been charged or convicted. OJ simpson was charged and not convicted. Is he a victim? Is he innocent?

It's an example I'm using to illustrate that we all have put our minds to this case, we are weighing what we see and what we know; I.e. The failure of the parents to work as a team with police, the failure of the parents to conduct a single search, and the cadaver dog hit, to name a few. No one has to consider these parents victims if that's not what they see from their behavior.

 

[highflyer]

I've seen cases where a parent or parents attend each one.

There was even a vigil at the house they were staying at and they didnt attend.

Reporters looking over a fence or through a bush in the back yard of the home they were staying at while they were outside smoking was the only havok I recall.

Respecting privacy as Edith intends on doing is another story.

If they attend, if they don't attend, it doesnt matter either way. To me, this is Edith being the advocate for Lisa. I'm glad someone is doing this. I thought Cyndi Short was going to be Lisa's advocate, but it's been really quiet in her direction.


I think Merriam-Webster's definition of havoc says it best.
"great confusion and disorder" <the blackout caused havoc in the city>

Take that part of the underlined definition for what it's worth.

Not sure that Edith is really respecting privacy. Edith made it a point to say that Deborah asked her not to have any more prayer vigils at their home. Lisa will hopefully be offered up in prayer many, many more times but it seemed to be a slam toward Deborah that she did not feel the same way as Edith and Edith wanted that known. Don't know much about Edith other than she has been holding nightly prayer vigils for Lisa and directed a search by the angry would be psychic. Hope Edith finds peace.

 

[~n/t~]

I've seen cases where a parent or parents attend each one.

There was even a vigil at the house they were staying at and they didnt attend.

Reporters looking over a fence or through a bush in the back yard of the home they were staying at while they were outside smoking was the only havok I recall.

Respecting privacy as Edith intends on doing is another story.

If they attend, if they don't attend, it doesnt matter either way. To me, this is Edith being the advocate for Lisa. I'm glad someone is doing this. I thought Cyndi Short was going to be Lisa's advocate, but it's been really quiet in her direction.


I think Merriam-Webster's definition of havoc says it best.
"great confusion and disorder" <the blackout caused havoc in the city>

Take that part of the underlined definition for what it's worth.

bbm

Gotta love the . Reporters taking photos. The public criticizing what mom wore, if she cried, if she held a candle. If dad put his arm around mom. If dad looked angry or stoic. If they prayed long enough. I could go on and on.

I see nothing wrong with requesting a final vigil. Honestly, I think this wouldn't change public opinion anyway. Most believe they're involved in their daughter's disappearance with or without vigils.

The parents will pray for their daughter when and where they want to. Hope and faith doesn't require a public spectacle, imo

 

[In da Middle]

I remember that photo and the video it's from...it's one where many thought that DB was fake-crying...on cue, after spotting the camera on her. But I have no idea if she was crying for real or not.

I would have thought that the parents (maybe even taking turns) or another family member would attend every vigil, especially the ones at their home. Perhaps every day was too much.

She would have had to be spotting every one of about 10-20 cameras there that day to do this. This was NOT the only camera there that night. There were many. How is she going to do this 10-20 times and get it right?

 

[natsound]

I doubt their attorneys want them making any appearance at all. Anything they say, look, or do will be scrutinized and used at trial just as it was in the Laci Peterson case.

JMO

In contrast, we have Kyron Horman's parents, who gave plenty of interviews, and didn't worry about the opinion of any lawyer.

 

[In da Middle]

I've seen cases where a parent or parents attend each one.

There was even a vigil at the house they were staying at and they didnt attend.

Reporters looking over a fence or through a bush in the back yard of the home they were staying at while they were outside smoking was the only havok I recall.

Respecting privacy as Edith intends on doing is another story.

If they attend, if they don't attend, it doesnt matter either way. To me, this is Edith being the advocate for Lisa. I'm glad someone is doing this. I thought Cyndi Short was going to be Lisa's advocate, but it's been really quiet in her direction.


I think Merriam-Webster's definition of havoc says it best.
"great confusion and disorder" <the blackout caused havoc in the city>

Take that part of the underlined definition for what it's worth.

This IS havoc along with people going uninvited knocking at their door at night. This very behavior is good enough reason to not show and be concerned for the safety of their kids as far as I am concerned.

I am very much an Edith cheerleader and always have been. She has done great! She, IMO is not their concern. It is the havoc creators that are of concern.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

The request was for this to be the last prayer vigil. She's telling Lisa's supporters to stop these events which, for a believer, is denying Lisa her voice to God for help. This group seems very supportive of DB, no antagonism detected from them at all. She should be embracing their support and their prayers.

BBM. Why is that the case? God can only hear Lisa's voice from a vigil in front of her house?

 

[Cazzie]

I could be wrong...but maybe DB was fine with the vigils happening at JI's home as long as she/they weren't living there. As long as she/they were staying at PN's or on getaways doing ABC exclusives...she didn't care. Only the neighbors had to put up with any inconvenience.

Now that she/they are back and living there...it's a different story. Just speculation.

Altho, I still think the "right" and "normal" thing to do would have been for one of the family to attend every single one, or ask for someone else to represent them. Maybe that's the case, IDK. They have several family members in the local area, so it doesn't seem too much of a stretch for one of them to attend each one. But maybe daily is too much even for a large family. Or perhaps the family resented Edith just doing it without permission, IDK. I don't even know if Edith asked permission. Maybe since the house was unoccupied, it seemed non-intrusive to hold vigils there daily, but there's still the neighbors to consider.

Just about everything the family has done and said (from Day 3 or so) seems to indicate that they don't think Lisa is findable, they know it, or they don't want her found. JMO.

 

[indepmo]

I see nothing wrong with requesting a final vigil.

True. They are free to do, act, request whatever they want.

Hope and faith doesn't require a public spectacle, imo

Absolutely true.

Good post ~n/t~ :woohoo:

 

[In da Middle]

I could be wrong...but maybe DB was fine with the vigils happening at JI's home as long as she/they weren't living there. As long as she/they were staying at PN's or on getaways doing ABC exclusives...she didn't care. Only the neighbors had to put up with any inconvenience.

Now that she/they are back and living there...it's a different story. Just speculation.

Altho, I still think the "right" and "normal" thing to do would have been for one of the family to attend every single one, or ask for someone else to represent them. Maybe that's the case, IDK. They have several family members in the local area, so it doesn't seem too much of a stretch for one of them to attend each one. But maybe daily is too much even for a large family.

Just about everything the family has done and said (from Day 3 or so) seems to indicate that they don't think Lisa is findable, they know it, or they don't want her found. JMO.

There has been family at every single one I have seen. Just not JI/DB. Several members.

 

[matou]

BBM. Why is that the case? God can only hear Lisa's voice from a vigil in front of her house?

Every prayer matters. Lisa can't pray for herself. Just like she can't advocate for herself, etc. This is sending a bad message, IMO.

 

[In da Middle]

I hope people attending this vigil keep it as a vigil for the prayer for Lisa and not turn in what should only be about her into a protest against the parents.

 

[Cazzie]

There has been family at every single one I have seen. Just not JI/DB. Several members.

OK...I wonder why not ever JI or DB? What do you think?

Now I'm confused...the one in the photo posted upthread...they were both there. Was it just becuz multi media would be there? Or was that the one that occurred on the same day as a presser (or introduction of BS)?

Re former post about DB "crying on cue for the camera"...I was just recounting what I recall about the discussion back at the time. And as I said, I have no idea if that was the case or not. The same was commented about almost every video of hers since Lisa went missing. IINM, it was noticed by many, in her interview with JJP. But that's off-topic except for the vigil photo posted. There was a former friend quoted in MSM as saying that DB definitely did that (turned on the waterworks) back when they were friends. Link already posted here long ago, not handy. /OT

 

[~n/t~]

Every prayer matters. Lisa can't pray for herself. Just like she can't advocate for herself, etc. This is sending a bad message, IMO.

Sending a bad message to whom?

 

[justamommy]

The parents at one of the prayer vigils:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hotos-Baby-Lisas-bedroom-handprints-wall.html

I understand that some think that the parents have every reason to stay out of the spotlight because they have been misled and accused by LE, their words and actions sensationalized by the media and their characters bashed in social media and public foums. Prayer vigils and searches, however are conducted for the benefit of the family and can in no way be construed as mistreatment of the parents. Prayer vigils and searches also create publicity which can generate continued tips.

I don't understand why the parents have distanced themselves from vigils and search efforts. Why haven't they attended vigils? I understand that they might like to see the vigils moved to a different area, but I hope they will support and attend vigils in the future. I don't believe the parents should be part of search parties themselves, but public statements of support and thanks to the searchers would help to keep this case visible. All MOO.

bbm

Not sure about searches. I don't know if LE has told them not to participate in them. Is that discouraged by LE usually? I don't know, just asking.

It looks like it might be pretty painful to me. Maybe that is why they don't go to the vigils. I don't know. I say to each his own. I get the feeling that if something (God forbid) like this happened to me, I may be villified the same way these people have been. These are all my opinions.

 

[Nixie]

As noted Saturday, Edith Fine will be holding a prayer vigil for Lisa Irwin at the home of DB and JI.

Just passing along what Edith has said here:
At the request of DB, this will be the last prayer vigil.

The vigil will be held at 7pm

bbm

Can you link that statement? TIA

Link what statement? Where does it say that DB and JI want people to stop praying for their daughter? They just don't want the prayer vigil's held at their house.

 

[justamommy]

I will not take the OJ bait. However, were the children victims? Were Ron Goldman's parents victims?

In this case, the parents are CLEARLY victims if they are innocent. And I think that it's terrible that they are not being treated like victims. Their BABY was taken from them, and there is no EVIDENCE that they had anything to do with it. The more information we get, and the longer this goes on without an arrest, the more likely that these parents are 100% innocent. If they are later proven to be involved, then they are no longer victims, but til then, don't they deserve to at least be treated as possible victims? I think it's cruel and heartless to ramp up the accusations when there is no evidence. It's like pouring salt into a wound.

Just IMAGINE if it was your baby stolen, and everyone thought YOU did it, but you were in fact innocent. I can't imagine how horrible that would be. I will never point my finger at these poor people until someone, somewhere, gives me a reason to do so, and not just because they don't like the way the family does this or does that.

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