11/29/2011 Final prayer vigil for Lisa Irwin

[Sparklin]

The request was for this to be the last prayer vigil. She's telling Lisa's supporters to stop these events which, for a believer, is denying Lisa her voice to God for help. This group seems very supportive of DB, no antagonism detected from them at all. She should be embracing their support and their prayers.

She did NOT tell them or ask them to stop praying though. She could have a very good reason for requesting this be the last vigil. Whatever her reasoning, she did not say 'please stop praying for Lisa'...if people take it that way, then I believe it's their own personal issue, not Debs.

 

[Sparklin]

No bait. I understood your original post to suggest that we should think of DB and JI as victims because they have not been charged or convicted. OJ simpson was charged and not convicted. Is he a victim? Is he innocent?

It's an example I'm using to illustrate that we all have put our minds to this case, we are weighing what we see and what we know; I.e. The failure of the parents to work as a team with police, the failure of the parents to conduct a single search, and the cadaver dog hit, to name a few. No one has to consider these parents victims if that's not what they see from their behavior.

bbm = I haven't heard that - I've actually heard differently.

 

[hambirg]

We don't know HOW or WHAT was said to Edith. This isn't an exact quote. She could have given multiple reasons, she could have explained in detail, but we just don't know.

I think that is just all the more reason this should have come through the attorneys.

 

[BritsKate]

I will not take the OJ bait. However, were the children victims? Were Ron Goldman's parents victims?

In this case, the parents are CLEARLY victims if they are innocent. And I think that it's terrible that they are not being treated like victims. Their BABY was taken from them, and there is no EVIDENCE that they had anything to do with it. The more information we get, and the longer this goes on without an arrest, the more likely that these parents are 100% innocent. If they are later proven to be involved, then they are no longer victims, but til then, don't they deserve to at least be treated as possible victims? I think it's cruel and heartless to ramp up the accusations when there is no evidence. It's like pouring salt into a wound.

Just IMAGINE if it was your baby stolen, and everyone thought YOU did it, but you were in fact innocent. I can't imagine how horrible that would be. I will never point my finger at these poor people until someone, somewhere, gives me a reason to do so, and not just because they don't like the way the family does this or does that.

If I am to imagine it was my baby that was stolen and I was innocent then I also must imagine how I would be reacting to that situation. I would be begging any media that would have me just to mention her name; I would be stalking detectives for any tip or lead that may reunite me with my daughter, I would meet with the people who had the best chance of finding my baby.

The same 'evidence' that absolves these parents for some also implicates them for others. We don't know what detectives may have discovered and that goes for both sides of the debate. There's no proof they did anything yet until they are officially cleared by LE there is also no proof they did not.

DB/JI are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. That right does not necessarily extend to a crime discussion forum, imo, and the suspicion some posters have expressed does not make them cruel or heartless.

At any rate, I highly doubt DB/JI are reading here and if they are I would suggest to them that their time could be better spent. JMHO

 

[hambirg]

Link what statement? Where does it say that DB and JI want people to stop praying for their daughter? They just don't want the prayer vigil's held at their house.

BBM

We don't know that. All that is printed is:

Those who organize prayer vigils for baby Lisa said that Tuesday night will be the last vigil at the request of her mother, Debbie Bradley. The vigil will be outside the family's home on North Lister Avenue at 7 p.m.
http://www.kctv5.com/story/16148252/last-prayer-vigil-to-be-held

Until we get some more clarification, that is all we really have. We can speculate, infer, etc. Again, whether you think DB is innocent, guilty, you're still on the fence, this was a bad PR move. It should have went through the attorneys or some other spokesperson. The fact that it didn't leads me to believe that there was an actual conversation between Edith and DB. All MOO!

 

[hambirg]

If I am to imagine it was my baby that was stolen and I was innocent then I also must imagine how I would be reacting to that situation. I would be begging any media that would have me just to mention her name; I would be stalking detectives for any tip or lead that may reunite me with my daughter, I would meet with the people who had the best chance of finding my baby.

The same 'evidence' that absolves these parents for some also implicates them for others. We don't know what detectives may have discovered and that goes for both sides of the debate. There's no proof they did anything yet until they are officially cleared by LE there is also no proof they did not.

DB/JI are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. That right does not necessarily extend to a crime discussion forum, imo, and the suspicion some posters have expressed does not make them cruel or heartless.

At any rate, I highly doubt DB/JI are reading here and if they are I would suggest to them that their time could be better spent. JMHO

Interestingly, John Walsh was on GMA today. They talk about the baby Lisa case about the 3:46 mark.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/john-walsh-americas-wanted-celebrates-25-seasons-15046620

 

[Evan's Mom]

The request was for this to be the last prayer vigil. She's telling Lisa's supporters to stop these events which, for a believer, is denying Lisa her voice to God for help. This group seems very supportive of DB, no antagonism detected from them at all. She should be embracing their support and their prayers.

Maybe DB just feels abandoned by god right now?
Maybe she had a strong faith and if she is innocent, she genuinely feels like god has left her, Lisa, Jeremy and the boys.

 

[Sparklin]

Ashley Irwin has stated that we will see on the news why the vigils have been stopped. Her post is very informative, but she refrained from naming names, although she did say that she has never witnessed such irresponsible, disrespectful behaviour in adults. I guess our wish that this was a calm and respectful final vigil didn't come to pass

 

[Nixie]

Ashley Irwin has stated that we will see on the news why the vigils have been stopped. Her post is very informative, but she refrained from naming names, although she did say that she has never witnessed such irresponsible, disrespectful behaviour in adults. I guess our wish that this was a calm and respectful final vigil didn't come to pass

She also said they wanted them to be moved not stopped........I hope that point comes out in the media!

 

[In da Middle]

Like I said, havoc creators are taking this away from the baby. Adults attending a prayer vigil need to come for the reason stated, not take away from it. Why can't they just leave it alone for one short period of time. And people wonder why the parents dont show up at these things!

 

[Jacie Estes]

Like I said, havoc creators are taking this away from the baby. Adults attending a prayer vigil need to come for the reason stated, not take away from it. Why can't they just leave it alone for one short period of time. And people wonder why the parents dont show up at these things!

It is really d*mn low if peeps decided to turn this vigil for a baby into a soapbox. I don't think anyone could justify or condone that.

If this did get out of hand then Jeremy and Debby have every right and reason to not want them in front of the house again. They have 2 other children to protect.

 

[Melanie]

Did anyone go to the vigil tonight? I read on Twitter that new t-shirts were handed out. Not much else out there though.

Mel

 

[Melanie]

It is really d*mn low if peeps decided to turn this vigil for a baby into a soapbox. I don't think anyone could justify or condone that.

If this did get out of hand then Jeremy and Debby have every right and reason to not want them in front of the house again. They have 2 other children to protect.

Ughhh...I hope not. It's one thing to discuss scenarios on a message board, but quite another to show up with your pitchfork in front of their house. I was uncomfortable when Gil and that other woman (forgot her name) who showed up to see the parents (uninvited). That's totally classless. Reminds me of all those folks in front of the Ant's - Ick.

You know if Debbie or J want to read here, that's their decision. I'm not asking them or putting the posts in front of their face. But I would never support anyone going to them - no matter how guilty I *think* they are. It's such a fine line, and I'm suprised at those who cross it.

MOO

Mel

 

[kantoo]

Ashley Irwin has stated that we will see on the news why the vigils have been stopped. Her post is very informative, but she refrained from naming names, although she did say that she has never witnessed such irresponsible, disrespectful behaviour in adults. I guess our wish that this was a calm and respectful final vigil didn't come to pass

I keep waiting to hear what Ashley wanted to tell Isabelle Zehnder about the no more vigils. Did anyone hear the radio show about it tonight?

Sparklin, can you pm a direction for me to look for what Ashley had to say about the vigils being stopped? Many thanks if you can.

 

[vlpate]

Like I said, havoc creators are taking this away from the baby. Adults attending a prayer vigil need to come for the reason stated, not take away from it. Why can't they just leave it alone for one short period of time. And people wonder why the parents dont show up at these things!

Did something happen in front of the house?

 

[stephen40]

Maybe DB just feels abandoned by god right now?
Maybe she had a strong faith and if she is innocent, she genuinely feels like god has left her, Lisa, Jeremy and the boys.

I'm sure that's it.
ibm/mo


PS, FYI God is a proper name and G should be capitalized.

 

[In da Middle]

Did something happen in front of the house?

According to Ashley Irwin there was at the very least people that were there making this not about a prayer for the baby.

Ashley Irwin has stated that we will see on the news why the vigils have been stopped. Her post is very informative, but she refrained from naming names, although she did say that she has never witnessed such irresponsible, disrespectful behaviour in adults. I guess our wish that this was a calm and respectful final vigil didn't come to pass

 

[vlpate]

According to Ashley Irwin there was at the very least people that were there making this not about a prayer for the baby.

Yes, I read Ashley's post, but it didn't really say exactly what happened, that there would be news - thought there might be news I hadn't seen.

She's ticked, that's for sure.

 

[Melanie]

According to Ashley Irwin there was at the very least people that were there making this not about a prayer for the baby.

that's really too bad. Don't folks realize the more they harass the Bradley/Irwins the more they send them deeper into seclusion. It only takes a few bad apples to ruin a hopeful investigation

As that old cliche goes - you catch more flys with honey then you do with vinegar

And this case doesn't need anymore vinegar!

MOO and all that.

Mel

 

[Melanie]

Yes, I read Ashley's post, but it didn't really say exactly what happened, that there would be news - thought there might be news I hadn't seen.

She's ticked, that's for sure.

Can someone point me to Ashley's post?

Thanks -

Mel