11/29/2011 Final prayer vigil for Lisa Irwin

[Kavya01]

If we are saying we are discontinuing the vigil for the parents and specially the boys, I was just thinking as how it can be perceived by the two boys too:

"K, so when something horrible happens to you and you vanish and maybe are dead or being held and tortured somewhere, after not quite two months you are going to get put on the back-burner and people will work hard instead at Getting Back to Normal."

I am sorry. It's just ALL sad.

 

[cityslick]

And I had to pause for a moment thinking how the boys must feel that mama doesn't want anymore vigils on her front lawn. My goodness - can you imagine when they get older and look at the web articles?

"Prayer Vigil: Requested by Deborah Bradley Baby Lisa Mom to be the last one"

How do you bring that up at Sunday dinner? So, mom, why didn't you want anyone coming over to pray for our missing sister? Huh?

I don't even want to think about how that conversation is gonna go.

I don't know what kind of normalcy folks expect these boys to get back to, because from this seat I'm seeing all kinds of dysfunction up ahead.

Just my opinion --

Mel

I would think the boys would know the story behind that statement instead of just reading the statement at face value, considering they are in the home and would know exactly what is and is not going on, as opposed to everyone here.

 

[prayers4missing]

I understand what your saying, Evansmom, it's just that to me, in my opinion, it's taking Lisa out of the public minds. No vigils, no interviews, no pleas for a safe return, no hanging signs. Yes they may have done all of that at some point, but they haven't in a while.

OT a bit, but we had a case here where a young boy went missing, his parents never gave up looking, 5,6,7 years later they were STILL hanging posters and talking to the media. That boy was finally found, alive and returned home. Who is going to remember about baby Lisa when the parents aren't doing things to keep her in the spotlight? MOO

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Of course not, but it seems DB/JI may be since they attended at least one of these vigils.

If it comes out that DB asked that they not be held in front of there house then I will eat my words. However as it looks now to me, MOO, DB wants everyone to forget about precious baby Lisa.

DB also mentioned to one of the family's attorneys that she would like the boys to receive a Catholic education.

DB wants this to just go away so she can get back to her "adult" time jmo

 

[Jacie Estes]

Not everyone is religious.
Personally, if I had a child that was missing, Prayer Vigils wouldn't mean anything to me other than as a way for others to show compassion for my child.
And I certainly would not want them to continue indefinitely.
If you want to pray for my child, awesome, but as someone that is not a christian, the prayers just don't mean that much to me in the grand scheme of things.
Searches and behind the scenes investigation are what would matter to me at this point.
In fact, I'd say screw the reward money too. Instead of trying to raise funds for a reward, I'd put that money towards hiring 6 or 7 of the best PIs in the country.
Media be damned too. If I was certain my child was kidnapped, I wouldn't be talking to the media after the initial blitz because I wouldn't want the kidnappers to know my PIs were closing in.

BBM I agree, not everyone stands at the doorway tearing their hair out as a sign of 'belief' and everyone has the freedom to express their belief in the way that is right for them. As another person who is not christian, I believe that prayers are not a public display but rather a personal connection with Creator, Christ, The Flying Spaghetti Monster or the entity of one's choice.

The woman, Edith Fine, while being commended for tenacity, has to realize that it is JI/DB's front lawn. Her emotions at the birthday vigil showed that this has gotten to her. I don't think I would want a distraught woman on my front lawn either. If the family doesn't want people on their front lawn then they won't be there; after the family's statement, to do so would be trespassing.

As with the Precious Doe vigils, the woman can continue them elsewhere if she chooses to do so, just not on the front lawn.

Jeremy and Debby should not have to set up a sukkah, an inipi or any other 'religious' event/display on their lawn to prove to the public that they care about their daughter. They have 2 boys to protect now; an emotional display, not sanctioned by them, on their front lawn, is not helping the boys.

 

[kantoo]

Watch for Isabelle Zehnder to have a statement from an Irwin family member regarding Deb requesting no more vigils...

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Some of you might be familiar with the Michigan case of the three missing Skelton brothers whose father abducted the boys last Thanksgiving instead of returning them to their mother's custody. The father claimed that he turned his sons over to an underground organization to protect them from their mother. He's incarcerated for parental kidnapping but refuses to give any information about the boys' whereabouts.

Despite the fact that her sons have been missing for a year, their mother has not given up hope that the boys are alive, nor have searches or prayer vigils ceased. Last Sunday night, there was huge attendance at the local high school where concerned citizens gathered to pray and show support for the family.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131150&page=8

Shame on DB and JI for giving up on Baby Lisa after only two months :furious:

 

[menmo]

Some of you might be familiar with the Michigan case of the three missing Skelton brothers whose father abducted the boys last Thanksgiving instead of returning them to their mother's custody. The father claimed that he turned his sons over to an underground organization to protect them from their mother. He's incarcerated for parental kidnapping but refuses to give any information about the boys' whereabouts.

Despite the fact that her sons have been missing for a year, their mother has not given up hope that the boys are alive, nor have searches or prayer vigils ceased. Last Sunday night, there was huge attendance at the local high school where concerned citizens gathered to pray and show support for the family.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131150&page=8

Shame on DB and JI for giving up on Baby Lisa after only two months :furious:

I remember the same thing happening with Tina Porter and her ex. I believe they were for Indepence, MO. She was front and center so many times getting their story out there. Sadly, it ended in tragedy as her ex had killed their children.

It speaks volumes to me that DB hides and seems to want this to all go away. I got news for you, Debbie, I'm not going to forget.

 

[Mandy113]

Life must go on for them, no? Yes, they lost a sister but the whole world does (and cannot) stop, especially for them who are so young. Does having prayer vigils outside your door to constantly have the saddness of their missing sister in front of them actually help them? These are not adults, able to cope with sadness and grief. One of them is 4 (or 5). How do you keep explaining to that little boy why all these people are in front of your house?

BBM

When I was 4, my 1 yr old brother suddenly died 2 weeks before Christmas. No one would answer my questions. I didn't understand what had happened or how to deal with the overwhelming sadness & grief which changed my family forever. I also (as very young children will do) blamed myself and thought people were upset with me. I've never forgotten it. To tell the truth, I had to work out all those feelings as an adult in therapy. Silence & ignoring the facts did much more harm than good to me as a child. I worry for these boys, especially as we don't even know what happened to Lisa.

I don't understand why the family would request the prayer vigils end. It's another very sad turn in this confusing & tragic case.

JMHO & my :twocents:

 

[Donjeta]

How many times does LE have to say 'there are no suspects' until we believe there are no suspects?

There are plenty of cases in which LE has said there are no suspects just before they go ahead and charge someone. It doesn't mean a whole lot imo. (Although I don't believe they're that close to an arrest in this case.)

 

[yllek]

If Debbi no longer wants the prayer vigils, that's her right. That, on its own, isn't incriminating, imo. However, combined with the statements about things "getting better" and the family getting back to "100% their normal lives", it raises my eyebrows a little. Still, stopping the vigils after 2 months isn't nearly as bothersome or indicative of anything as stopping formal interviews at the police station after 4 days, imo.

Just for the record, Debbi and her team introduced religion into Lisa's disappearance. Maybe here nor there, but simply noting that it's not like the issue or subject of religion came from elsewhere. JMO..

DAN ABRAHAMS INTERVIEW WITH DEBBI BRADLEY ON GMA 10/17/2011:
DA: “Are you hopeful that Lisa’s gonna be found?”
DB: “Oh, we’re gonna find her. I have no doubt in my mind, we’re gonna find her.”
DA: “How are you so certain?”
DB: “I just know. Cause there’s still a God.”
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CYNDI SHORT, DB'S ATTORNEY, STATEMENT TO KMBC 10/25/11:
“We had a talk just yesterday about her wanting to provide the kids a Catholic education, and how important that would be to her,” Short said.
http://www.kmbc.com/r/29579101/detail.html

 

[kantoo]

Slightly O/T

I don't see DB asking for no more vigils as damning as Hailey Dunn's mother stating after the vigil at the 3 mo. point of her being missing that they would have the next vigil when it had been 6 mos.

 

[Nixie]

Why does the fact that the parents are asking for prayer vigils to stop=forgetting about the child. Every time DB has went in front of camera's the story stops being about baby Lisa and about her. look at the threads here, people are more into tearing apart the mother then finding the child. There is no reason given has to why the vigils stopped, maybe the neighborhood was complaining. Maybe all the people around on a regular basis was stopping others from having their privacy. Maybe neighbors want to live their lives. I can see so many reasons why they would ask people to stop coming into their front yard on a regular basis. It isn't like they stopped people from looking for her, they just want to live in peace. If they are in mourning they may want to do that in peace also. Their child is gone, they have been thrown to the wolves, they probable want to be left alone to get there heads together. Not everyone reaches out to others not everyone wants tons of strangers around them. Maybe they don't know what to do or where to turn. When they turned to the media for help the story became about DB not baby Lisa. No matter what this family does they are treated like crap so why would they turn to anyone for help. I would feel so lost and hopeless in their situation and I wouldn't really care what others thought of me anymore.

 

[cityslick]

If Debbi no longer wants the prayer vigils, that's her right. That, on its own, isn't incriminating, imo. However, combined with the statements about things "getting better" and the family getting back to "100% their normal lives", it raises my eyebrows a little. Still, stopping the vigils after 2 months isn't nearly as bothersome or indicative of anything as stopping formal interviews at the police station after 4 days, imo.

Just for the record, Debbi and her team introduced religion into Lisa's disappearance. Maybe here nor there, but simply noting that it's not like the issue or subject of religion came from elsewhere. JMO..

DAN ABRAHAMS INTERVIEW WITH DEBBI BRADLEY ON GMA 10/17/2011:
DA: “Are you hopeful that Lisa’s gonna be found?”
DB: “Oh, we’re gonna find her. I have no doubt in my mind, we’re gonna find her.”
DA: “How are you so certain?”
DB: “I just know. Cause there’s still a God.”
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - compare the parent's statements to media here

CYNDI SHORT, DB'S ATTORNEY, STATEMENT TO KMBC 10/25/11:
“We had a talk just yesterday about her wanting to provide the kids a Catholic education, and how important that would be to her,” Short said.
http://www.kmbc.com/r/29579101/detail.html

BBM

Are those statements being attributed to DB or to the lawyer? I don't think DB herself made those statements (as opposed to this story where is says 'DB says no more prayer vigils')

 

[Donjeta]

I'm sure there is a church or a private home or a cafeteria or a school or some such thing that would allow their premises or their backyard to be used for a vigil every once in a while. I see no reason why it would have to be on North Lister.

 

[prayers4missing]

Why does the fact that the parents are asking for prayer vigils to stop=forgetting about the child. Every time DB has went in front of camera's the story stops being about baby Lisa and about her. look at the threads here, people are more into tearing apart the mother then finding the child. There is no reason given has to why the vigils stopped, maybe the neighborhood was complaining. Maybe all the people around on a regular basis was stopping others from having their privacy. Maybe neighbors want to live their lives. I can see so many reasons why they would ask people to stop coming into their front yard on a regular basis. It isn't like they stopped people from looking for her, they just want to live in peace. If they are in mourning they may want to do that in peace also. Their child is gone, they have been thrown to the wolves, they probable want to be left alone to get there heads together. Not everyone reaches out to others not everyone wants tons of strangers around them. Maybe they don't know what to do or where to turn. When they turned to the media for help the story became about DB not baby Lisa. No matter what this family does they are treated like crap so why would they turn to anyone for help. I would feel so lost and hopeless in their situation and I wouldn't really care what others thought of me anymore.

Who is keeping Lisa in the media? Her parents aren't. If they are innocent then it is their responsibility to keep her face and name out there until she is found. IMO DB being in front of the camera's was not about Lisa because DB was making it about herself. DB has done this to herself, MOO. On what day 4, she was in front of the camera crying about how wrongly she was being treated by LE, not about how devastated she is because her daughter is gone. MOO

 

[Cazzie]

If Debbi no longer wants the prayer vigils, that's her right. That, on its own, isn't incriminating, imo. However, combined with the statements about things "getting better" and the family getting back to "100% their normal lives", it raises my eyebrows a little. Still, stopping the vigils after 2 months isn't nearly as bothersome or indicative of anything as stopping formal interviews at the police station after 4 days, imo.

Just for the record, Debbi and her team introduced religion into Lisa's disappearance. Maybe here nor there, but simply noting that it's not like the issue or subject of religion came from elsewhere. JMO..

DAN ABRAHAMS INTERVIEW WITH DEBBI BRADLEY ON GMA 10/17/2011:
DA: “Are you hopeful that Lisa’s gonna be found?”
DB: “Oh, we’re gonna find her. I have no doubt in my mind, we’re gonna find her.”
DA: “How are you so certain?”
DB: “I just know. Cause there’s still a God.”
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - compare the parent's statements to media here

CYNDI SHORT, DB'S ATTORNEY, STATEMENT TO KMBC 10/25/11:
“We had a talk just yesterday about her wanting to provide the kids a Catholic education, and how important that would be to her,” Short said.
http://www.kmbc.com/r/29579101/detail.html

Sadly, I think that was just "lip service".

JMO, but DB and JI have something(s) to hide, otherwise they would get their butts down to the police station and be interviewed again, together and separately, with their lawyer(s) if need be.

But they haven't done that (and not separately) since 10/8. By Day 3, they weren't talking to LE anymore, by Day 5 (10/8), they had legal representation (the law professor). Then came their "PI" (BS), then came high-powered criminal defense attorney who defended murderer Joran Van de Sloot (yikes! why-th did they pick *him*?)...then came Cindy Short (local criminal defense attorney) and she was fired...then came JP (local criminal defense attorney).

Sorry for the disbelievers, but I see the handwriting on the wall, and it's been there since Day 3. JMO.

And this calling this Baby Lisa vigil the "final" is yet another example in a long list of examples of "unusual" missing baby parent behavior.

 

[tehcloser]

Everything's the lawyers. Nothing is ever DB and JI. To that I say pppffftttttt.

 

[Cazzie]

I'm sure there is a church or a private home or a cafeteria or a school or some such thing that would allow their premises or their backyard to be used for a vigil every once in a while. I see no reason why it would have to be on North Lister.

True.

But IMO, if that happens, it won't be becuz DB/JI suggested it or offered to take even a tiny part in it. JMO.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I suppose DB does have a point.....kind of awkward to be sitting out on her stoop, drinking her wine and smoking her ciggs while a prayer vigil for her baby was taking place.

BBM: :seeya: IMO ... you nailed it !

:waitasec: Hmmm ... a "prayer vigil" for her "missing" baby would cut into too much of her "adult time" ...

:furious: