17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #6

[Isabelle]

Interesting that GZ screamed for help as he removed his gun from the holster and stopped screaming as soon as the shot sounded. I don't believe that for one second.

 

[rossva]

He doesn't have one, or doesn't have one that we know of yet? We are finding out new things about Martin every day, such as the actual reason for his suspension.

He's also not the one with a recorded history of violence!

 

[m00c0w]

I don't think it's likely at all. I think it's bullpuckey. If he had been spotted doing anything actually suspicious GZ would have reported it. I would stake my life on it. Walking slowly and looking about, that's what GZ claimed was suspicious. His dead body was found with tea and candy on it. Not screwdrivers, women's jewelry, marijuana pipes, or paint. Even kids who may have made (totally nonviolent) poor choices deserves to walk to the 7-11 without being chased and killed.moo

How do we know what he had on him, or what he was doing beforehand?

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Are any of you watching Nancy Grace right now? Steve Helling said that he has spoke to 3 people that told him they came out of their house and they saw Zimmerman pinning Trayven face down into the sidewalk and that Travyon was screaming. They said that Zimmerman had no injury and he was not bleeding or showing any sign of injury. And at this point I believe Steve over the police because he reported on the Casey Anthony case and was never wrong. Steve also said it was not in the police report either that Zimmerman was injured.

Well, isn't that interesting.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Why would someone with a gun be screaming for help? That makes no sense! Why would GZ be screaming like that since he was the aggressor?

He wasn't the aggressor if TM jumped him, and he was probably calling for help so he wouldn't have to shoot him.

 

[jjenny]

Interesting that GZ screamed for help as he removed his gun from the holster and stopped screaming as soon as the shot sounded. I don't believe that for one second.

If the fight stopped there was no reason for him to scream anymore.

 

[m00c0w]

Are any of you watching Nancy Grace right now? Steve Helling said that he has spoke to 3 people that told him they came out of their house and they saw Zimmerman pinning Trayven face down into the sidewalk and that Travyon was screaming. They said that Zimmerman had no injury and he was not bleeding or showing any sign of injury. And at this point I believe Steve over the police because he reported on the Casey Anthony case and was never wrong. Steve also said it was not in the police report either that Zimmerman was injured.

Underlined by me

So, is he implying that the current police report out is fraudulent? And that SFD did not respond to the scene and treat his injuries? Hmm...

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Are any of you watching Nancy Grace right now? Steve Helling said that he has spoke to 3 people that told him they came out of their house and they saw Zimmerman pinning Trayven face down into the sidewalk and that Travyon was screaming. They said that Zimmerman had no injury and he was not bleeding or showing any sign of injury. And at this point I believe Steve over the police because he reported on the Casey Anthony case and was never wrong. Steve also said it was not in the police report either that Zimmerman was injured.

It was documented that GZ was injured

 

[jjenny]

Underlined by me

So, is he implying that the current police report out is fraudulent? And that SFD did not respond to the scene and treat his injuries? Hmm...

I personally don't get my info from Nancy Grace.

 

[JeannaT]

I don't think it's likely at all. I think it's bullpuckey. If he had been spotted doing anything actually suspicious GZ would have reported it. I would stake my life on it. Walking slowly and looking about, that's what GZ claimed was suspicious. His dead body was found with tea and candy on it. Not screwdrivers, women's jewelry, marijuana pipes, or paint. Even kids who may have made (totally nonviolent) poor choices deserves to walk to the 7-11 without being chased and killed.moo

I don't agree that a person who has a history of criminal behavior wouldn't be followed by someone who has a "sense" for criminal behavior. And then, if the person following is attacked, he can defend himself.

Honestly, for a 17 year old boy, he's got a LOT of criminal behavior in his past. A LOT. I don't know what he was doing that night, but with his history I'm willing to listen to GZ's intuition.

 

[flourish]

If the fight stopped there was no reason for him to scream anymore.

Wow, well he sure had the presence of mind to time it so perfectly with the gunshot...sounded to me like the screaming stopped mid-breath. Amazing breath control, especially in such a stressful situation.

 

[annalia]

Are any of you watching Nancy Grace right now? Steve Helling said that he has spoke to 3 people that told him they came out of their house and they saw Zimmerman pinning Trayven face down into the sidewalk and that Travyon was screaming. They said that Zimmerman had no injury and he was not bleeding or showing any sign of injury. And at this point I believe Steve over the police because he reported on the Casey Anthony case and was never wrong. Steve also said it was not in the police report either that Zimmerman was injured.

my bolding

Oh my

I was listening to Mark Nejame and he said that this "unauthorized, wink-wink- leak" was a CYA propaganda campaign by SPD and I have to say i agree with him.

I don't care how many times it's said that GZ's head was banged, bumped or bashed, the fact still remains that it doesn't show that GZ wasn't still the first aggressor. I don't care how many "thuggish" pictures get run, I don't care how many suspensions he had, the fact still remains that it doesn't show that GZ wasn't the first aggressor.

That's a fact that isn't going to change.

JMHO

 

[jjenny]

Wow, well he sure had the presence of mind to time it so perfectly with the gunshot...sounded to me like the screaming stopped mid-breath. Amazing breath control, especially in such a stressful situation.

It didn't sound to me that way at all.

 

[Only4Justice]

Sorry, I haven't read all the threads. Too hard to keep up!

Watching NG now. I agree with her. I hear the racial slur and I'm appalled. Not just that bad slur, but the other language used by GZ during the non-emergency call. Grouping all black kids together. DISGUSTING!

:banghead:

God Bless Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton. They definitely have shown more restrain that I could have.

ETA: I'm a white woman with two teenage sons.

 

[Isabelle]

If the fight stopped there was no reason for him to scream anymore.

Or, the shot silenced the screams.

 

[m00c0w]

my bolding

Oh my

I was listening to Mark Nejame and he said that this "unauthorized, wink-wink- leak" was a CYA propaganda campaign by SPD and I have to say i agree with him.

I don't care how many times it's said that GZ's head was banged, bumped or bashed, the fact still remains that it doesn't show that GZ wasn't still the first aggressor. I don't care how many "thuggish" pictures get run, I don't care how many suspensions he had, the fact still remains that it doesn't show that GZ wasn't the first aggressor.

That's a fact that isn't going to change.

JMHO

And then what happens if the prosecutor that was hand picked by the governor doesn't file charges? Someone posted earlier that she said they're not leaning that way at the moment.

Would this then be a conspiracy to the highest levels of the Florida government?

 

[flourish]

I don't agree that a person who has a history of criminal behavior wouldn't be followed by someone who has a "sense" for criminal behavior. And then, if the person following is attacked, he can defend himself.

Honestly, for a 17 year old boy, he's got a LOT of criminal behavior in his past. A LOT. I don't know what he was doing that night, but with his history I'm willing to listen to GZ's intuition.

Do we have actual confirmation of all these criminal acts? Forgive me, but this thread is moving so fast...I thought this came from an unnamed source...has this been printed in more than one msm article (as in not one copied from the original)? If the link was posted and I missed it, maybe I'm not the only one who would mind a link bump?
tia

 

[jjenny]

And then what happens if the prosecutor that was hand picked by the governor doesn't file charges? Someone posted earlier that she said they're not leaning that way at the moment.

Would this then be a conspiracy to the highest levels of the Florida government?

And if there is all this obvious evidence, then GZ should be charged.
And if he isn't, then what?

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I don't have time to search for that post but if you want to believe he was high go for it. I have compassion for a young man who was shot in cold blood. Who cares if he was high or not, but he wasn't. Hope that makes you really happy!! I guess anyone high on drugs deserves to be shot dead in their tracks now. I have to leave this board. This is just disgusting!!

Who ever said anything like that?

 

[Isabelle]

my bolding

Oh my

I was listening to Mark Nejame and he said that this "unauthorized, wink-wink- leak" was a CYA propaganda campaign by SPD and I have to say i agree with him.

I don't care how many times it's said that GZ's head was banged, bumped or bashed, the fact still remains that it doesn't show that GZ wasn't still the first aggressor. I don't care how many "thuggish" pictures get run, I don't care how many suspensions he had, the fact still remains that it doesn't show that GZ wasn't the first aggressor.

That's a fact that isn't going to change.

JMHO

Very interesting and Nejame has nothing to gain by reporting this. I would not be surprised at anything, at this point in my life!