17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #6

[christee]

That's the only reporter to make this claim. I think what FBI is analyzing is Zimmerman's call to 911 (to see if there is a racial slur on it).

No, that's not what the news anchor said. He specifically said TMs 911 call is being analyzed by FBI. Now if ABC7 news airs a retraction and admits to making a mistake then there is no 911 call from TM.

 

[m00c0w]

Oh, lol. It means something notable that a celebrity in the Florida policing world showed up to the rally? I think he was just putting in some face time.

 

[Inabsentia]

It's certainly what I inferred. Please, what did you mean then?

You have strongly implied a number of thingsin this thread that have confused me, sometimes in direct response to posts I have made. I have asked you to clarify several of them, but have not gotten responses. Will you clarify them now, please?

 

[rossva]

If, as some one else posted, a pedestrian can access The Retreat at Twin Lakes, with out having to have an access code, key, card, other item, that could have possibly ratcheted Zimmerman's suspicions up a notch.

Good point! wonder if they had "cards" or was it just a punch-in code on a keypad. Either way - GZ could have asked Trayvon when he first walked up to him about having his gate card or knowing the code. But, then again, GZ should have identified himself as the neighborhood watch guy right up front.


JMHO

 

[rbrnmw2]

Praying for all our littest angels (Caylee, Aja, Shaniya, etc...) to give Trayvon big hugs for me! He needs them!

Chelsea, Amber, Lily and all our other teen victims, I hope you all, with Trayvon, will look after and play with the little ones.

Don't even look down here on Earth! You are in a much better place and I hope you are blind to it all. Especially you, Trayvon!

ETA: Sorry for the spelling errors. I'm angry and will not be posting in this thread any more. It's wayyyyy too much!

I don't think I can handle this much longer my heart is broken for this child murdered in cold blood and being blamed for his own murder

 

[rossva]

I doubt that; I haven't read anywhere about his mother's back having been broken.

I don't know, but I'd bet you dollars to doughnuts that he stepped on the cracks in the sidewalk from time to time.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Christee - maybe its being interpreted wrong. TM's 911 call - could be a "generic" term for the case. Its is the 911 call for the Trayvon Martin case. And not necessarily meaning that there was a 911 call from Trayvon Martin himself. KWIM?

Its the "you can hear George Zimmerman in the background" that's getting me. Maybe they are talking about the witness 911 calls where the screaming is heard? IDK

Also, I think it could be very clever writers knowing how leading that statement is. IDK



ON THE OTHER HAND..........

(you wear a glove - teehee)

Maybe there really is a 911 call from Trayvon and like someone said, it doesn't appear on the bill. That would be HUGE in this case - HUGE!

IDK :waitasec:

Clear as mud?

(my head hurts)





JMHO

 

[Kat]

I can't follow ws this week. We have an adult daughter visiting.

Quick question.

Does anyone have a link handy for the law concerning this (the right to defend oneself law in fl)

Also, did the shooter have a permit to carry a concealed loaded weapon?

What does Florida statute say about that please?

Also, wasnt the shooter told to not follow this young man during a 911 call?

I only have an iPad at this moment and can't easily find the statutes as I could on my pc.

See, this is where I'm confused. I do understand other states have laws where you can defend yourself with lethal force if needed but I don't get how that law applies in the circumstance of a private citizen who is volunteering for neighborhood watch to carry a concealed loaded firearm and to continue to follow another individual after contacting 911 and being told that le did not need that watch volunteer to continue to follow the individual and to make contact with that individual and quite possibly confront that individual.

I agree with dr f. I am seeing people on Facebook posting status updates discussing this minors past. It's not relevant IMHO. Much like what dr. F pointed out about rape victims but also any other homicide victim we see here on ws. Defense attns like to create spin by digging up dirt on the victim. I'm not saying that others shouldn't discuss it, heck anyone can talk about any aspect they want. Just sharing my pov.

 

[m00c0w]

I don't think I can handle this much longer my heart is broken for this child murdered in cold blood and being blamed for his own murder

I'm sorry if this sounds abrasive, but the evidence as it stands right now doesn't seem to point to "cold blood". Even if it was a series of extremely tragic and unfortunate events, I'm not sure it's evident that Zimmerman ever wanted to kill anyone.

Do you believe that Zimmerman set out that night intending to kill someone?

 

[jjenny]

No, that's not what the news anchor said. He specifically said TMs 911 call is being analyzed by FBI. Now if ABC7 news airs a retraction and admits to making a mistake then there is no 911 call from TM.

I know what he said. Nobody else (as far as I know) have said it. Trayvon's family lawyer hasn't said anything about Trayvon calling 911 whereas he did talk about Trayvon's conversation with his girlfriend. I would think something like this would have been important enough to mention. Have anyone tried to contact abc chicago to see where they got this "bombshell?"

 

[LambChop]

And how does anyone outside of the direct investigation know for certain what was done and what wasn't?

Up until not too long ago, the media was reporting that they hadn't even taken his gun, he was let go from the scene, they didn't look at his clothing, and a host of other mistruths that fit their perception of events at the time.

I don't know but maybe he has a twitter account, or maybe he knows someone in SPD, or maybe because he is aware of certain information the family shared with him. TM had a funeral and his body was prepared for burial by a funeral director who is not bound by confidentiality. There could be a 1,000 ways he was able to come to that conclusion. I'm no expert and I clearly can see some obvious mistakes from the initial reports. He is an expert. jmo

 

[HiHater]

MSNBC...covering the case on the Ed Show...

Someone brought up a good point.

The police report states:

Zimmerman stated that he had shot the subject and he was still armed.

It later says:

At no point did I question Zimmerman about the incident that had taken place.

http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/martinpolicreport.pdf

So the officer never asked, "why?"

I mean, the 911 callers were asked lots of questions, and they were not even central to what was going on. I really don't believe that the police at the scene never asked him anything.


JMO

 

[m00c0w]

You have strongly implied a number of thingsin this thread that have confused me, sometimes in direct response to posts I have made. I have asked you to clarify several of them, but have not gotten responses. Will you clarify them now, please?

Sure, I may have skipped over them inadvertently. You can either post links, ask the questions again, or PM me with what you have. I did not mean to ignore anything directed at me.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I don't think I can handle this much longer my heart is broken for this child murdered in cold blood and being blamed for his own murder

No he isn't being blamed for his own death, GZ is being blamed and some of us want to know all of the facts before condemning GZ. I don't think it was in any way a cold blooded murder - it was in self defense. GZ's description of the events are supported by witnesses and LE at this point. Seems the more facts that come out, the angrier people get because it doesn't match what the media portrayed.

 

[rossva]

It doesn't matter what I want, and honestly I don't know how to answer that question. What I want is the truth. If there are facts about George Zimmerman's past that are relevant and are published, any facts about Martin that are relelvant should be made public also. And I would say a past that involves drugs is relevant. Drugs do effect ones behavior.

Do you want him to have a juvenile offender record?

 

[LambChop]

I'm sorry if this sounds abrasive, but the evidence as it stands right now doesn't seem to point to "cold blood". Even if it was a series of extremely tragic and unfortunate events, I'm not sure it's evident that Zimmerman ever wanted to kill anyone.

Do you believe that Zimmerman set out that night intending to kill someone?

I don't think he did either. I think he passionately wanted to be a police officer and just got carried away. But I do think he made a number of errors that lead him straight to an encounter and to TM's death. jmo

 

[m00c0w]

MSNBC...covering the case on the Ed Show...

Someone brought up a good point.

The police report states:



It later says:



http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/martinpolicreport.pdf

So the officer never asked, "why?"

I mean, the 911 callers were asked lots of questions, and they were not even central to what was going on. I really don't believe that the police at the scene never asked him anything.


JMO

There's a whole different set of rules when it comes to asking questions about a crime like that. I'm guessing the responding officers are trained to not ask questions, but to just secure the scene for major crimes and let them take over. As has been pointed out many times, it's possible to lead with questions. If he wasn't mirandized properly, it may have some bearing on the case.

I don't find it surprising that they didn't ask him any questions. JMO

 

[Quiche]

Trayvon Martin's parents deny attack reports


Excerpt:

"I said to the parents, as much as they were hurting, they will try to make your son a junkie, a thief, an assaulter and everything else before this is all over because they've done it in every case we've fought," Mr Sharpton said before entering a town hall meeting at the Sanford Civic Center.

Trayvon's father, Tracy Martin, said he was not seeking revenge.

"We're not asking for an eye for an eye. We're asking for justice, justice, justice," he said at the meeting.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0327/martint.html

 

[christee]

I know what he said. Nobody else (as far as I know) have said it. Trayvon's family lawyer hasn't said anything about Trayvon calling 911 whereas he did talk about Trayvon's conversation with his girlfriend. I would think something like this would have been important enough to mention. Have anyone tried to contact abc chicago to see where they got this "bombshell?"

<modsnip>.

 

[rossva]

Wasn't it established several days ago that the Chicago ABC reporter made a mistake? Can any one please show me any link either confirming or denying this one reporters comment.

This is not a snarky request. I honestly thought it had been resolved as a mistake by the reporter.

ABC Chicago Reports that Trayvon made a 911 call the night he was killed and that Zimmerman is heard in the background!!! Mods this is an audio taken off TV you can tell it's from the news. And they say the feds have the 911 call.

http://soundcloud.com/the-mokelly-radio-report/abc7-chicago-acknowledges