17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #7

[rotterdam]

when is the grand jury? and will they release a lot of information like Trayvon's autopsy and photos and statements by Zimmerman? does the public get to see everything?

April 10 IIRC and no. grand jury info is sealed from public.

 

[HiHater]

Looking at the Google map, there doesn't really look like any cut throughs, since it is a gated complex, he would have had to leave via the front and-next door is another housing complex (gated also?), then looks like a waterway of some sort. When I take a look, I don't see any probable backways etc. Or maybe the map isn't showing the 711 he went to, seems like a really long walk, maybe there is one closer, maybe the opposite direction.

Trayvon may have cut through an opening in the wall that surrounds the gated community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes, where there are only bushes separating the back swale from the street.

http://www.thegrio.com/specials/tra...timeline-leaves-many-unanswered-questions.php

 

[Isabelle]

i don't understand how GZ would be able to get out from under Trayvon after firing his gun into Trayvon's chest and having to bear the 'dead' weight that was once Trayvon? And...not have any of Trayvon's blood on him.

 

[HiHater]

I believe this is just as relevant:


BBM

Maybe, but the way I see---much more evidence has come out since 26 February.

Zimmerman's story---that shouldn't change. He's locked into a (unconvincing) story, and more evidence to refute his story may be available.

 

[Inabsentia]

I would say that a gaffe in confusing "attacked" and "approached" would more more apparently a gaffe than clearly saying someone was suspended for reasons other than what was truthful. JMO

I would say that conflating attack and approach in a homicide investigation is no gaffe, or at least an inexcusable one. Also that "gaffe" has a lot more material bearing on the case at hand than the victim's non-violent high school disciplinary action.jmo.

 

[m00c0w]

There won't be a waiver produced, there won't be photographs of these awful injuries, and all that is left is the statement by a Police Officer who is going to say he actually had these injuries....and I don't trust Sanford PD, any of them as far as I could manage to throw all of them at once IMO JMHO and stuff.

If he had any kind of competent lawyer, there would be documentation of the injuries if even by a third party doctor. JMO

 

[m00c0w]

I would say that conflating attack and approach in a homicide investigation is no gaffe, or at least an inexcusable one. Also that "gaffe" has a lot more material bearing on the case at hand than the victim's non-violent high school disciplinary action.jmo.

Was it a direct quote from Lee, or was it a paraphrase by reporters?

 

[Sensei]

Shock isn't necessarily easy to diagnose or see; this is why it's so dangerous. You can be in shock and not even realize it. With everything that was going on, it may have been easily overlooked.

Circulatory shock is in fact a medical emergency and if he was in circulatory shock then he would have been immediately transported. Medical circulatory shock presents with symptoms such as low blood pressure, dizziness, loss of consciousness, fainting, and weakness. Circulatory shock tends to be a spiral down in that it makes itself worse and is a killer and nobody who suspected that a person was in shock would allow them to go anywhere except the hosptial.

Medical Shock is not the same as the emotional state of shock, which he could very well have been in but it would not be a medical emergency.

 

[Isabelle]

I agree. Most likely, his parents picked a picture that was easy to find. Perhaps it was a framed picture, a favorite, or one of the first ones in an album. I just looked around at the framed pictures in my house. Most of them are favorites and are a few years old.

Luckily my son took pics of himself with my camera shortly before he was killed in an auto accident. I found them on my camera about 1 month after his death. The last photo I had of him was his high school graduation pic and that was 5 years old. I would recommend to everyone with children, take lots of pics and take them often. You never know when that is all you will have left!

 

[m00c0w]

Maybe, but the way I see---much more evidence has come out since 26 February.

Zimmerman's story---that shouldn't change. He's locked into a (unconvincing) story, and more evidence to refute his story may be available.

Then I would fully expect an arrest to be made soon, since the new prosecutor has made it clear that she's not bound by the previous Grand Jury. JMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

i don't understand how GZ would be able to get out from under Trayvon after firing his gun into Trayvon's chest and having to bear the 'dead' weight that was once Trayvon? And...not have any of Trayvon's blood on him.

Do you have a link showing GZ had no blood on him?

 

[m00c0w]

Circulatory shock is in fact a medical emergency and if he was in circulatory shock then he would have been immediately transported. Medical circulatory shock presents with symptoms such as low blood pressure, dizziness, loss of consciousness, fainting, and weakness. Circulatory shock tends to be a spiral down in that it makes itself worse and is a killer and nobody who suspected that a person was in shock would allow them to go anywhere except the hosptial.

Medical Shock is not the same as the emotional state of shock, which he could very well have been in but it would not be a medical emergency.

I'm well aware of what shock is and how to treat it. Are you claiming that shock is always easy to identify, and that it's not considered a dangerous condition because of how easy it is to miss?

 

[Isabelle]

Circulatory shock is in fact a medical emergency and if he was in circulatory shock then he would have been immediately transported. Medical circulatory shock presents with symptoms such as low blood pressure, dizziness, loss of consciousness, fainting, and weakness. Circulatory shock tends to be a spiral down in that it makes itself worse and is a killer and nobody who suspected that a person was in shock would allow them to go anywhere except the hosptial.

Medical Shock is not the same as the emotional state of shock, which he could very well have been in but it would not be a medical emergency.

Another symptom in light skinned individuals is a godawful pale color, like a wax candle with no color. In dark skinned individuals you know you are in trouble when the lips turn gray or pale and believe me they do!

 

[LambChop]

One version coming out earlier and one coming out later does not make one more credible over the other. The fact that this young man's family is trying to get the "I am Treyvan"phrase registered (if true) would explain why they don't want any of the less palatable aspects of their son's life coming to light -- I know it would make me angry to see all that potential money going down the drain. Everyone wants to embrace them when they feel their son is a sweet, innocent young guy; less so when he's been shown to get into fights and is suspended from school for drugs. But some of those facts, if true, need to be made known, because they paint a picture of a young man, prone to confrontations, and possibly, violence, himself. Behavior that could support a self-defense plea.

I think the suspension was for tagging, not drugs. It's not clear they were able to prove he had drugs and was never charged with drug possession by LE. jmo

 

[Sensei]

Do you have a link showing GZ had no blood on him?

Most notably we have no information showing that he DID have blood on him, it was NOT noted in the police report and we don't know if they kept his clothes, but no where did anyone document blood on his clothing,his hands, or anywhere else, and I doubt that there was a close struggle and shot and no blood at all, there was however a notation of blood on his nose and the back of his head that was treated in the backof the squad car but not transported to a health facility.

 

[jjenny]

If he had any kind of competent lawyer, there would be documentation of the injuries if even by a third party doctor. JMO

I agree with that, but under stand your ground law, it's not necessary for him to have serious injuries in order to claim self-defense.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Most notably we have no information showing that he DID have blood on him, it was NOT noted in the police report and we don't know if they kept his clothes, but no where did anyone document blood on his clothing,his hands, or anywhere else, and I doubt that there was a close struggle and shot and no blood at all, there was however a notation of blood on his nose and the back of his head that was treated in the backof the squad car but not transported to a health facility.

So your saying we don't know if GZ had any of Trayvon's blood on him or not?

 

[m00c0w]

Another symptom in light skinned individuals is a godawful pale color, like a wax candle with no color. In dark skinned individuals you know you are in trouble when the lips turn gray or pale and believe me they do!

That would be at a certain stage of hypovolemic shock. No one has implied he was that far gone.

 

[raeann]

Do you have a link showing GZ had no blood on him?

The police report describes the shirt as only having dampness and grass on the back....surely if they noted that small detail they would have noted the front being stained with blood. SURELY the LE officer would not be so incompetent as to note "dampness" but NOT blood!!!

jmo

 

[LambChop]

I'm well aware of what shock is and how to treat it. Are you claiming that shock is always easy to identify, and that it's not considered a dangerous condition because of how easy it is to miss?

I think anyone without a medical background can check for shock by looking at their eyes. Their pupils are fixed. jmo