17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #7

[m00c0w]

by your on admission you do not need witnesses to determine probable cause.LE COULD have arrested GZ on the spot but they chose not to,I guess that's what you meant by probable cause is determined by free will.They could have but they did not.Why ?
Could it be racism?

You need witnesses to determine probable cause when the facts aren't evident without them... You don't just assume that someone has committed a crime without reason; that's not how the judicial system was constructed.

 

[LambChop]

I'm not clear on why he was in his car following along anyway. It's less than a football field's distance from the clubhouse to where the sidewalk leaves the curb line. Once on that sidewalk, it's approximately another 125' to where the sidewalk turns to where the body was found.

At any point during that 400'+/- path of movement, Zimmerman had an unencumbered line of sight to where the sidewalk turned 90 degrees between the buildings and where the body was found. This turn in the only place Zimmerman could have possibly lost sight of the boy.

Something's not right with this statement:



From one end of this anticipated journey to the other, that sidewalk turn is the ONLY place Zimmerman could have "lost sight", yet he is saying he was accosted while walking BACK from this point to his car.

If it happened the way Zimmerman says, how did the body wind up in a continuation of the direction taken after this blind turn?

You'd make a good homocide detective. jmo

 

[Sensei]

Not challenging you information, but I'm curious where 7:17 came from.

The first call, from what I've read, came in at 7:16.

The 911 call made by Zimmerman lasted 4 minutes. The last 2 of those minutes Zimmerman did not know where TM was. So from 7:13 or 7:14, when the call ends, there are 3-4 minutes for everything to happen.

I need to be able to open the actual 911 call logs!! :banghead:

A 7:17 p.m., the first officer, Officer Smith, arrives at the gated complex, responding to Zimmerman's 911 call. In his report, he says that as he arrives, dispatchers notified him of the 911 calls reporting shots fired in the area.

http://www.thegrio.com/specials/trayvon-martin/trayvon-martin-shooting-timeline-leaves-many-unanswered-questions.php

This article says that Zimmerman called dispatch shortly before 7:15 but the actual time as recorded by 911 was 7:09 IIRC if you want a link I will dig one up for you

 

[m00c0w]

I'm not clear on why he was in his car following along anyway. It's less than a football field's distance from the clubhouse to where the sidewalk leaves the curb line. Once on that sidewalk, it's approximately another 125' to where the sidewalk turns to where the body was found.

At any point during that 400'+/- path of movement, Zimmerman had an unencumbered line of sight to where the sidewalk turned 90 degrees between the buildings and where the body was found. This turn in the only place Zimmerman could have possibly lost sight of the boy.

Something's not right with this statement:



From one end of this anticipated journey to the other, that sidewalk turn is the ONLY place Zimmerman could have "lost sight", yet he is saying he was accosted while walking BACK from this point to his car.

If it happened the way Zimmerman says, how did the body wind up in a continuation of the direction taken after this blind turn?

I'm not sure. Do we know 100% which direction Zimmerman was traveling, or what route he was taking? Martin may have cut across the turn that leads to the little mall area between the townhouses, and Zimmerman was on the other side trying to locate him.

 

[Isabelle]

If this case was all said and done until higher authorities took over, which seems to me to be in the last week, why hasn't the autopsy results been published. Like NG, I would like to know the trajectory and point of entry of the bullet that killed Trayvon. I think that might say a lot about what happened.

 

[m00c0w]

http://www.thegrio.com/specials/trayvon-martin/trayvon-martin-shooting-timeline-leaves-many-unanswered-questions.php

This article says that Zimmerman called dispatch shortly before 7:15 but the actual time as recorded by 911 was 7:09 IIRC if you want a link I will dig one up for you

There were actually two 911 reports/logs for this event, and I'm not sure why. They have two different times on them.

 

[jjenny]

I happen to love the way that it has been stated repeatedly that Zimmerman weighed 250 pounds but tonight for the first time we learn from Oliver that he really only weighed 170 pounds. This man is nothing more than a hired gun by Zimmerman and his family.



~jmo~

He clearly lost some weight since his mug shot days.

 

[Sensei]

If this case was all said and done until higher authorities took over, which seems to me to be in the last week, why hasn't the autopsy results been published. Like NG, I would like to know the trajectory and point of entry of the bullet that killed Trayvon. I think that might say a lot about what happened.

There was a reporter for a magazine on one of the shows tonight who said he talked to Chief Lee, and was told that the entry point was direct center of the chest at the top of the diaphram, the point that I would identify as the zyphoid process, the point just at the top where the ribs come together above the stomach.

ETA, he had no information about trajectory

 

[LambChop]

You need witnesses to determine probable cause when the facts aren't evident without them... You don't just assume that someone has committed a crime without reason; that's not how the judicial system was constructed.

Obviously some people do and that is why once they report something they need to wait for LE. Seems funny to apply this to the person who made the same exact judgment call about someone else. JMO

 

[Sensei]

He clearly lost some weight since his mug shot days.

80 lbs if a tad more than just "some" that's a whole extra person worth of weight.

 

[rotterdam]

BBM
Accent. What kind of accent? I'm in Northern California too and we don't have an distinct accent here that I'm aware of.

I meant foreign accent, I have one. So many folks were not born in the USA in that neck of the woods. Hard to find somebody actually born in CA.
In some other areas of the USA, they even look at you funny if you have a foreign accent. Heck, CA even elected a governor with an accent. Love Ca.

 

[Isabelle]

http://www.thegrio.com/specials/trayvon-martin/trayvon-martin-shooting-timeline-leaves-many-unanswered-questions.php

This article says that Zimmerman called dispatch shortly before 7:15 but the actual time as recorded by 911 was 7:09 IIRC if you want a link I will dig one up for you

Does anyone know what time the first call to 911 was made reporting the gunshot? It may have been the call where someone was calling for help.

 

[m00c0w]

There was a reporter for a magazine on one of the shows tonight who said he talked to Chief Lee, and was told that the entry point was direct center of the chest at the top of the diaphram, the point that I would identify as the zyphoid process, the point just at the top where the ribs come together above the stomach.

ETA, he had no information about trajectory

That sounds like it may very well have hit the aorta. No amount of first aid could have fixed that. That's incredibly saddening to me.

 

[jjenny]

80 lbs if a tad more than just "some" that's a whole extra person worth of weight.

Well I really can't measure how much he lost just by looking at the photos of his face. But his face looks a lot thinner now than in the older photo.
By the way I've seen different weights attributed to Trayvon as well. I am not sure how accurate any of the numbers are.

 

[mikeysmommom]

Has anyone else seen the updated picture of GZ he was slimmer,short hair,in a yellow shirt? Unless it has been taken off sites because he does look a lot different maybe for his safety.When I first saw it I had to do a double take.TIA

 

[SuziQ]

They decided so fast they had the scene processed, all the witnesses statements done and the body removed before the shooting victims dad got home from dinner.

And who was in charge of this non-crime scene?

Sergeant Anthony Raimondo who even with video in hand of Justin Collison beating a homeless man to the ground from the back and knocking him out did not think a crime had been committed and refused to arrest Justin. (video at link) http://countusin.wordpress.com/2012...st-same-sergeant-that-didnt-arrest-zimmerman/

The supervising officer who initially responded to the killing of Trayvon Martin in Sanford has a prior record of racial controversy. In 2010, Sergeant Anthony Raimondo declined to arrest Justin Collison, who brutally attacked a black homeless man, leaving him unconscious and breaking his nose. Collison, who is white, is the son of a Sanford police officer and the grandson of a former Florida judge.

(Your post respectfully snipped for space)

BBM. This is what has been nagging me in the back of my brain. WTH?


Also, how the Collison case was handled after an arrest warrant finally came down is outrageous and as defiant as I've ever seen a police agency behave. In the last couple of decades that is.

 

[m00c0w]

Obviously some people do and that is why once they report something they need to wait for LE. Seems funny to apply this to the person who made the same exact judgment call about someone else. JMO

Do two wrongs make a right?

 

[Adrienne37]

Yes....he stepped out to get the address (these are ONLY on the front of the buildings facing the street) and then TM attacked him from behind and then apparently carried this 250 pound man down two sidewalks and around to the back of the buildings... truly an amazingly strong 140 pound young teen!!!

I agree with you Raeann. It sounds like Trayvon had superhuman strength.

~jmo~

 

[Concerned Papa]

I'm not sure. Do we know 100% which direction Zimmerman was traveling, or what route he was taking? Martin may have cut across the turn that leads to the little mall area between the townhouses, and Zimmerman was on the other side trying to locate him.

There's not a lot of question as to where the body was found. There's only ONE 90 degree turn in this path of movement from the clubhouse to that point. The boy's father walks the camera step by step from beginning to end in the video with this article:

http://www.thegrio.com/specials/tra...timeline-leaves-many-unanswered-questions.php

Once again, Zimmerman claims he was accosted after losing sight of the boy while walking BACK to his car, yet the body is found several yards farther in a continuation of travel AFTER he had to have lost sight.

 

[Sensei]

Does anyone know what time the first call to 911 was made reporting the gunshot? It may have been the call where someone was calling for help.

There is a time on the call where the gunshot is actually heard by 911, and I believe IIRC that one was marked at 7:15. They put the timestamps up when I was watching the program, but for some reason the people writing articles don't put the times in, they just report on what was heard on the call it's frustrating.