17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #7

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  • #121
Good grief, my 13-year-old daughter and her friends make their own grills out of gum wrappers, am I too assume that my daughter and her friends are ghouls because they wear them. "Lil Wayne, Eminem, Jay-Z, Nicki Minaj, Rihanna, Lady Gaga, not to mention Justin Bieber, have all been photographed with grills in their mouth. They are a thing that is popular right now and have no bearing whatsoever in this case other then trying to make Trayvon appear like he is a 🤬🤬🤬🤬.


~jmo~
 
  • #122
I don't think a walk like that is very far for a 17 year old, heck i walked alot farther to school than that every day, and even still i walk more than that with my dog etc.....jmo, but i'm wondering why this is important. He was 17 years old, they usually walk alot.

I don't think it's that important as to the length of the walk, per se. What I have a problem with is depicting it as a 'ten minute walk' for snacks. That's the problem with this case. It seems like so much information isn't accurate. If there is nothing to hide, why not just give all the facts? Why not show current pictures of TM? My grandson's have changed a lot when I look at photos of them three years ago compared to photos of them now.

Why not be truthful about TM's suspensions from school? IMO, when there are questions about what occured on a certain night, we should be privvy to ALL the background information. GZ has stated from the beginning that it was him calling for help that night. Okay, was it him or TM? That's an important detail IMO. Does GZ have the injuries to his head, nose and back of head, grass stains on his clothes, etc., to corroborate his version of events? What does the autopsy of TM say? Was he shot as close range? What was the trajectory of the bullet?

IMO, all these things need answers *before* we can make any sort of educated conclusions as to what happened that night.
 
  • #123
I am saying that if that was indeed the case, then Zimmerman should not have been taken to a police station for questioning without a thorough medical exam, and if they had to arrest him to make that happen that is what they should have done, because if he had had a subdural hematoma or bleeding on the brain, he could have keeled over dead with no particular warning, and the Sanford Police department would have been responsible and could NOT have avoided a law suit....

He was treated in the back of the squad car, by someone, an EMT, who if the injuries were as described not only dropped the ball but set himself up to be sued out of existance for malpractice, and brought up on criminal charges, because he is NOT covered by the "good samaritan law" When you are a trained health care professional you have specific responsibilites, and once you initiate the care of any person you are responsible...the EMT should and would if he was doing his job have told the LE on the scene that GZ, in spite of any waiver, was not fit to be taken to the Police Department for questioning without medical care unless they were willing to take the chance and ignore that he may have serious and even life threatening injuries.

This leads me to the logical conclusion that whatever injuries he claims and was treated for, they were not of a level that would support his head being smacked on the pavement, or a broken nose....IMO JMHO and stuff

And, if GZ's head was slammed into the concrete sidewalk there was a possibility of a concussion that could have altered his responses to questions police asked him, as confusion and memory are a major aspect of concussion.
 
  • #124
You are absolutely correct..And I know this because there has never been an arrest in the Haleigh Cummings case.. And since PCSO has said her case is NOW a homicide and not a cold case, LE doesn't have to release anything...

Thank you, I am glad to know that I do occasionally remember stuff...

So basically they will not be required to release anything or give any answers as long as they don't arrest anyone and there are no charges, but as soon as someone is arrested and charged, it all becomes public record

Sounds like a reason to stall if you have something you don't want released IMO JMHO and stuff
 
  • #125
We got every single bit of information and just about saw every move made by George, Cindy and Casey Anthony. Why not here?
 
  • #126
Thank you, I am glad to know that I do occasionally remember stuff...

So basically they will not be required to release anything or give any answers as long as they don't arrest anyone and there are no charges, but as soon as someone is arrested and charged, it all becomes public record

Sounds like a reason to stall if you have something you don't want released IMO JMHO and stuff
With federal overwatch and a new prosecutor? Or do you think they might be in on it, too?
 
  • #127
We got every single bit of information and just about saw every move made by George, Cindy and Casey Anthony. Why not here?

We didn't get every single bit of information during the investigation did we?
 
  • #128
And, if GZ's head was slammed into the concrete sidewalk there was a possibility of a concussion that could have altered his responses to questions police asked him, as confusion and memory are a major aspect of concussion.

Absolutely Isabelle. I've been in the medical field for 30+years. There is absolutely no way that SPD is going to assume responsibility if they took Zimmerman to the jail for questioning without having him thoroughly evaluated, probably including but not limited to a CT scan of the head. There's just no way in heck that would happen. I'm sure Sensei would agree with me 100%. If they took him straight in for questioning without an evaluation and if he seized or whatever, then they would be held accountable for that. No way would they open themselves up to a potential lawsuit like that. No way, no how, it ain't gonna happen.


~jmo~
 
  • #129
We got every single bit of information and just about saw every move made by George, Cindy and Casey Anthony. Why not here?
Didn't they have a trial? Evidence is entered into public record at a trial. If there's a hint of a grand jury, that won't happen. Evidence is not vetted at a grand jury like it is for a trial. If they released evidence that was excluded before or at trial for some reason, it would potentially cause a mistrial because of how media-heavy this case is. Once it's in trial, the jury is sequestered and it's no big deal.
 
  • #130
And we didn't get hardly anything during the investigation in Somer's case. And that was in FL as well.
 
  • #131
When I first read this, yesterday, I had a problem believing this fresh-faced, innocent looking teenager was the kind who would say or do such a thing.

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But after seeing what greeted me on my AOL home page this morning:

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I'm not so sure anymore, especially after reading this:

Where there witnesses to the actual beating Trayvon gave GZ?
 
  • #132
The sunshine laws don't apply to active investigations, as far as I know. An arrest does not make an investigation inactive.

Whereas if there is never an arrest, none of anything will be released and Trayvons parents will not get any answers of any kind, since no arrest and charge means that SPD can just bury it like they were planning on doing anyway like GZ's friend said, "He thought it would just blow over" before the media exposure. They admit that SPD's investiagtion was all but concluded and they were done....sorta like

"yeah, we know your child was killed, but sorry no arrest, since we didn't collect enough evidence , so no answers for you....."

I do not blame these parents for wanting answers, evidence and proof before accepting that their child caused his own death, which is what SPD is trying to tell them.
 
  • #133
I'm trying to say the media (including a certain figurehead or two) is playing everyone like marionettes.

I don't understand why you think anyone is being played...if it is the truth, that he went to 711 and got skittles and iced tea and was coming back home than thats that....i don't think anyone is disputing this...who cares who the skittles are for...bottom line...he didn't do anything wrong...he was on his way home...no one disputes this...zimmerman thought he looked suspicious no one disputes this...why does it bother you so much that people know this information, and that is does matter...he was unarmed, he wasn't doing anything wrong...zimmerman made a mistake,, i think he know's that now too..it is what it is....now we need to focus on what happened with the altercation..<mod snip>...all that matters is finding out the truth about the altercation...jmo and all that jazz
 
  • #134
The sunshine laws don't apply to active investigations, as far as I know. An arrest does not make an investigation inactive.
NO - not during the investigation. The Sunshine Laws kick in once someone is charged and the case moves into the courts. Defense attorneys are entitled to discovery - that's everything the prosecutor's office has. Once the state (prosecutor's office) turns over documents to the defense attorney - then those documents are now considered public and can be released. The prosecutor and/or defense can enter a motion to seal certain documents - then the judge decides whether or not they should be sealed (meaning - not released to the public)


HTH
 
  • #135
I don't understand why you think anyone is being played...if it is the truth, that he went to 711 and got skittles and iced tea and was coming back home than thats that....i don't think anyone is disputing this...who cares who the skittles are for...bottom line...he didn't do anything wrong...he was on his way home...no one disputes this...zimmerman thought he looked suspicious no one disputes this...why does it bother you so much that people know this information, and that is does matter...he was unarmed, he wasn't doing anything wrong...zimmerman made a mistake,, i think he know's that now too..it is what it is....now we need to focus on what happened with the altercation..and stop nitpicking about who looks like what and what trays parents did after,, it doesn't matter...all that matters is finding out the truth about the altercation...jmo and all that jazz
It may be a dishonest portrayal of events meant to influence the public perception of the case.
 
  • #136
We got every single bit of information and just about saw every move made by George, Cindy and Casey Anthony. Why not here?

Because the she-monster was already in jail on charges so the Sunshine Law applies. Right now with the cover up that's taking place in Sanford and because they refuse to charge the murderer, they get to sit tight on all their reports. It won't last long though. I fully expect an indictment for murder really soon.



~jmo~
 
  • #137
Absolutely Isabelle. I've been in the medical field for 30+years. There is absolutely no way that SPD is going to assume responsibility if they took Zimmerman to the jail for questioning without having him thoroughly evaluated, probably including but not limited to a CT scan of the head. There's just no way in heck that would happen. I'm sure Sensei would agree with me 100%. If they took him straight in for questioning without an evaluation and if he seized or whatever, then they would be held accountable for that. No way would they open themselves up to a potential lawsuit like that. No way, no how, it ain't gonna happen.


~jmo~

And, a prudent LE would have taken GZ into custody forcing a medical evaluation, if he refused. Then he would have no choice. I've been in nursing 26 years and sometimes people just don't know the potential danger they face from what seems to be a minor injury to them and they cannot be held responsible for their own safety.
 
  • #138
With federal overwatch and a new prosecutor? Or do you think they might be in on it, too?

Nope, I think now we will get some answers even if they are not answers that we particularly like, (depending on who you are and what you are most upset about) but NOW we will get some answers, I don't think SPD ever intended to have to explain themselves or anything else, they just wanted it to go away...IMO JMHO and stuff
 
  • #139
He's certainly been characterized in the media as his brother. Why do you think that is, if not to gain an emotional advantage?

I'm not "sleuthing" the brother. I really couldn't care less about him. It's the entire story line I have fault with. I have asked numerous times where we got the story that he was going to 7-11 to get his "brother" candy, and have gotten no valid answers. It's just weird.

This is the problem I have too. First we heard TM was staying at his 'dad's place'. Then it was 'a relatives' home. Then it's the dad's 'girlfriends house', and now it's the dad's fiance's house. A 'ten minute walk' to a convenience store for snacks *during* the basketball game. Suspended for being tardy. Why can't we just hear what's true rather than a colored version of events that keeps changing? And why did dad call to see if TM had been arrested?
 
  • #140
Whereas if there is never an arrest, none of anything will be released and Trayvons parents will not get any answers of any kind, since no arrest and charge means that SPD can just bury it like they were planning on doing anyway like GZ's friend said, "He thought it would just blow over" before the media exposure. They admit that SPD's investiagtion was all but concluded and they were done....sorta like

"yeah, we know your child was killed, but sorry no arrest, since we didn't collect enough evidence , so no answers for you....."

I do not blame these parents for wanting answers, evidence and proof before accepting that their child caused his own death, which is what SPD is trying to tell them.
If there's not an arrest, the case would be closed and it would all be made public record anyway. This isn't like a cold case that would remain open.
 
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