17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #7

[gxm]

Thanks Sensei. Well I'm guessing then that unless there was a street sign right smack dab in the middle of those condos next to that sidewalk, then Zimmerman had absolutely no reason whatsoever to be back there unless he was following Trayvon which he was told not to do. I guess it's possible that Trayvon was not only strong as heck to be able to punch him down but he was faster than the bionic man to be able to drag him all that distance.


~jmo~

BBM

GZ wasn't told to not follow Trayvon. He was told "okay, we don't need you to do that," which is not an order (and is vague, at best). ITA that he should not have followed Trayvon, he should have left well enough alone and stayed in his car. Tragically, that's not what happened. Whatever we may think we know about GZ's frame of mind, he wasn't ordered to stay put.

Links:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/19/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUSBRE82I17520120319

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/26/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html

 

[Kentjbkent]

so wouldn't a dead body with a bullet stuck in it be probable cause a crime occurred no matter who and how you look at it?

But isn't that the question here....in general.....

Is a dead body with a bullet stuck in it in response to an attempt of self defense a crime?

 

[claudicici]

Who has ever said it was a black against white issue? I haven't even seen "white" brought up before...

And interesting you say that...



BBM

in that case I don't understand what you meant by us against them?I thought you were insinuating the black activists are turning it into a race issue ? I'm arguing Zimmermann turned it into a race issue.

 

[vlpate]

How is it even a White issue?He is Hispanic that is the race he chose the race of his mother.I am very shocked at the reverse racism .Even TM mother said it was not a race issue.

BEM: That has changed since information about Trayvon has been released. Not a judgment, by the way, this is a fact. Her tune suddenly changed yesterday.

"(AP) – In a packed forum on Capitol Hill today, the parents of Trayvon Martin got support from members of Congress who turned the death of their 17-year-old's son into a rallying cry against racial profiling. Martin's parents spoke briefly before a Democrats-only congressional panel as cameras clicked noisily in front of them. "Trayvon was our son, but Trayvon is your son," Sybrina Fulton, his mother, told the House Judiciary panel. "A lot of people can relate to our situation and it breaks their heart like it breaks our heart."

 

[ynotdivein]

Mary C has made several claims that so far i haven't seen evidence to support. Such as the two people fought somewhere else then ended up in her yard. It doesn't seem to be supported by any of the 911 calls that we heard so far. No one described anyone running to Mary C's yard (or anywhere else, for that matter) after the fight. Also I can hear loud screams on several 911 calls and to me they don't sound like a child crying.

I've thought a lot about this too. I wonder if Tray "walked fast" up the cut-through, then hung a right on the sidewalk that runs between the backyards of the two rows of condos. Meantime, GZ is moving down Twin Trees, then cuts over between buildings to intercept TM. Confrontation starts there, then moves back up the sidewalk towards the sidewalk "T," ending in MC's backyard.

That's all speculation, and like everyone else here, I just don't know what happened in the last seconds of TM's life.

I do know that this all makes me sick and sad at heart. I don't like seeing our posters pitted against one another. I don't like reading about bounty calls placed on anyone's head. I don't like having to wait until all the documents are released. I don't like what happened to Trayvon, and I don't like what's happening to Zimmerman.

And that is all MOO, and I will step down off my soapbox now.

 

[mikeysmommom]

I happen to love the way that it has been stated repeatedly that Zimmerman weighed 250 pounds but tonight for the first time we learn from Oliver that he really only weighed 170 pounds. This man is nothing more than a hired gun by Zimmerman and his family.



~jmo~

IIRC TM dad was the one who said GZ was 250lbs. I have been looking for the link where GZ have a yellow shirt on he looked much slimmer in his face and he looked much better but just like TM family media used an old picture of GZ.When I find the link I will post it.IMO no mater the lies the truth will come out but will it be accepted?

 

[m00c0w]

Sorry, was in response to this post:



Media Matters actually apologized for using the phony photo of Trayvon. They did NOT apologize to Matt Drudge. People need to calm down and get their facts straight. IMO.

“Mixed up Drudge photo of Trayvon w Michelle Malkin's. Malkin's is an admitted fake. Drudge? Don't know. Sorry.”

They thought Drudge's photo was a fake (calling him a racist among other things), and then admitted they don't know. No one ever said they apologized to Drudge. It says they tweeted an apology, which they did.

 

[LambChop]

Where did he say that it was odd?

He told LE TM was running towards the back gate which is not true based on where his body was found. GZ says they always get away (reportedly through the back gate). GZ first tells LE TM is headed in his direction, comin to check me out, he said....then he claims TM is running towards the back gate. It was raining so how many people run to avoid getting wet from the rain???? But GZ is telling them TM is running, headed for the back gate when that is not where TM ended up. To get to where his body is TM had to be running parallel to the back gate not towards it.

jmo

 

[claudicici]

But isn't that the question here....in general.....

Is a dead body with a bullet stuck in it in response to an attempt of self defense a crime?

I always understood "justice" as an arrest is made when there is probable cause and then a TRIAL and or a jury decides whether or not an actual crime occurred.

 

[vlpate]

Do we know anything about Zimmerman’s ‘friend’ Joe Oliver, who speaks so extensively for him? Said he hadn’t spoken with GZ but seems he’s coming out with new info every day. Is he a lawyer or PR person or what is his occupation? Is it ok to sleuth him since he speaks for GZ? I’m ultra-suspicious that Oliver doesn’t know/didn’t know GZ personally but was hired by GZ’s savvy father-judge to handle media (like van der sloot father-judge covering up). jmo.

Joe Oliver is on Piers Morgan right now and clearly said he spoke to George yesterday.

 

[m00c0w]

in that case I don't understand what you meant by us against them?I thought you were insinuating the black activists are turning it into a race issue ? I'm arguing Zimmermann turned it into a race issue.

I'm arguing that activists have turned this into a "Hang Zimmerman" issue, instead of a "Get to the bottom of this" issue.

 

[rotterdam]

Not everything is racial.

But it's MADE racial by those who say they are fighting racism.

Until everybody can look at this as 2 humans, without looking at race, we will get nowhere.

Are there racists in the world? Yes. And thy come in all colors.

IMO the black panthers, Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton could be considered racist. Because of their actions.

Racism, even reverse racism, is wrong.

He was profiling like hoodie, black and young. Doubt he would have followed
a black senior citizen even if wearing a hoodie.

 

[mikeysmommom]

I personally think it was worded in a way that a person of normal or even low intelligence could understand.

Dispatcher: Are you following him?
Zimmerman: Yep.
Dispatcher: WE DON'T NEED YOU TO DO THAT.


~jmo~

IMO The dispatcher was afraid GZ was going to get hurt.Dispatchers are civilians not police.

 

[Elley Mae]

They thought Drudge's photo was a fake (calling him a racist among other things), and then admitted they don't know. No one ever said they apologized to Drudge. It says they tweeted an apology, which they did.

Thank You

 

[m00c0w]

So match it up with the timeline of calls made for me and tell me how he could have been on the way BACK to his vehicle when Trayvon was killed WHERE he was killed. If he was in the car when dispatch said "You don't need to do that" Then When did he leave the car and why and how did he geet to the area where the shooting took place? Why did the shooting not take place on the street near his car?

I don't have any more information than you do on the matter. It's all sheer conjecture.

 

[Sensei]

IIRC TM dad was the one who said GZ was 250lbs. I have been looking for the link where GZ have a yellow shirt on he looked much slimmer in his face and he looked much better but just like TM family media used an old picture of GZ.When I find the link I will post it.IMO no mater the lies the truth will come out but will it be accepted?

Since SPD has given the family NO information, and they freely admit that most of the information that they have ON THEIR OWN CHILD'S DEATH comes from the media, you can hardly blame them for that since it has also been widely reported in the media as his approx weight.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I personally think it was worded in a way that a person of normal or even low intelligence could understand.

Dispatcher: Are you following him?
Zimmerman: Yep.
Dispatcher: WE DON'T NEED YOU TO DO THAT.


~jmo~

Sounds like a suggestion to me.JMO.

 

[wncgal]

They thought Drudge's photo was a fake (calling him a racist among other things), and then admitted they don't know. No one ever said they apologized to Drudge. It says they tweeted an apology, which they did.

Oh, really. Do you have a link for the apology? Because I don't see it on their website or on Twitter. Thanks.

 

[m00c0w]

I always understood "justice" as an arrest is made when there is probable cause and then a TRIAL and or a jury decides whether or not an actual crime occurred.

An arrest is made on probable cause that a crime occurred. The Florida statute prevents police from arresting someone based on the use of force alone, when it is a self-defense case. There has to be probable cause to believe that the use of force was unlawful. In other words, they have to show probable cause that a crime occurred, and not that the force was used in self defense.

 

[Sensei]

I don't have any more information than you do on the matter. It's all sheer conjecture.

Where the body was found is NOT conjecture, and the time of the calls is NOT conjecture, and the time that the police arrived and found the body is NOT conjecture, so the task is to figure out some way that Zimmerman could have STOPPED following TM and still be in the area where the body was found if his call to dispatch was at 7:09 and the Police arrived to find Treyvon dead at 7:17

I haven't been able to do it but maybe someone else can, I am willing to entertain any suggestions that make sense short of Scotty beaming him in to the crime scene.