17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #7

[Deleted member 39678]

So GZ might have shot Tray from the prone position after Tray was done fighting. Or Tray managed to stand up after being shot?

Prone position? That would be face down, belly down.
Or do you mean supine position which is face up?

 

[m00c0w]

Prone position? That would be face down, belly down.
Or do you mean supine position which is face up?

Yeah, he was found on his stomach and witness accounts say that he was on his stomach. I don't see Zimmerman having been able to shoot him while he was on the ground, unless he was using bullets like they used with JFK.

 

[rotterdam]

I find that hard to believe to, but I can't figure out how he didn't get away from GZ. He obviously had a head start, and GZ couldn't see him. Maybe he stopped once he got between the condos and when GZ came around the corner they saw each other?

Tray was not running all the time. According to Tray's GF he was walking but was going to walk faster. That could have been after Tray checked out GZ in his car and (according to GZ) went running. Somehow, I do not find GZ very credible. But the running part must have sounded ominous and suspicious to the dispatcher.

 

[vlpate]

Sadly, you're right. Frankly, I'm a little on edge here. If they decide self-defense, no arrest. Katy bar the door. Yes, I do believe there will be riots. Here, Sanford, and even far away - maybe Chicago who can tell? I don't think it will go well. Ugly will get uglier.




JMHO

Which is why the black panther militant guy should be arrested immediately. Can you imagine if the royal whatever he is of the KKK were to get on Anderson's show and threaten a black man this way? He'd be shot on sight. I am truly at a loss on that one. Spike Lee giving out the guys address. (imagine for shame head shaking smiley)

 

[Yoda]

Which is why the black panther militant guy should be arrested immediately. Can you imagine if the royal whatever he is of the KKK were to get on Anderson's show and threaten a black man this way? He'd be shot on sight. I am truly at a loss on that one. Spike Lee giving out the guys address. (imagine for shame head shaking smiley)

He was arrested yesterday. Possession of a firearm by a felon.

 

[m00c0w]

He was arrested yesterday. Possession of a firearm by a felon.

I bet that steamed him pretty good.

 

[jjenny]

So GZ might have shot Tray from the prone position after Tray was done fighting. Or Tray managed to stand up after being shot?

There is no way the black guy Mary C is talking about could be Trayvon. Mary C called 911 after the shot. And I really don't think Trayvon managed to stand up after being shot. I think she is either confused that Zimmerman is black (because it was dark) or somebody else showed up on the scene.

 

[vlpate]

WOW, watching ABC and they are still on day one of the case. They flashed the report from the lead investigator - he did recommend "manslaughter - necessary (something)". What is that?

 

[mikeysmommom]

I say it makes a lot more sense that Martin felt threatened, decked Zimmerman, who crumpled, and Martin got him in the mount and started wailing on him, or at least grabbing onto his head/wrestling/whatever. During this, I think it would be very hard for Martin to have not realized Zimmerman had a gun if Zimmerman was carrying it in the front of his pants, considering Martin would probably be sitting directly on top of it. I imagine Martin realized what it was, what it meant, and started to go for it. That's when it turned into the "turning point" situation that the defense keeps talking about. Martin was probably grabbing onto the barrel of the gun, which is why the slide potentially did not fully actuate. The shot to the lower sternum would be about consistant with this position, as well. Because of how quickly Martin seemed to have succumbed, I'd venture to say he was hit in the aorta. The severe drop in blood pressure would have knocked him out in seconds.

This is what I believed happened exactly as you have stated.
My nephew died when the DR cut his Aorta during surgery he died in seconds.

ETA No way TM got up after being shot if he was hit in the aorta.

 

[Yoda]

This is what I believed happened exactly as you have stated.
My nephew died when the DR cut his Aorta during surgery he died in seconds.

I am so sorry. How horrible for you and your family.

 

[SuziQ]

Yep - Trayvon did NOT KNOW about that gun at first. I don't think he would have punched him if he did. Trayvon punches GZ - GZ hits the ground (and his head), goes to his waist for the gun and that's when Trayvon sees it. Screaming ensues, one shot, Trayvon is dead.

All in a matter of 60 - 120 seconds. Man that's fast.


How much longer are they going to let this all simmer? All the testing that needed to be done is (not doing any DNA tests - that we know of). So why are they keeping it all quiet and the nation in the dark?

Man, I hope we get something soon..................



JMHO

IMO, until they can pass the buck again on to some other agency. My understanding is the grand jury hearing previously scheduled by the previous county attorney is not going to happen. And now we wait for the state attorneys to call for a grand jury. Unless they can also pass the buck. They are running out of options......lol.

 

[rotterdam]

Okay you gun people, help me. Why does any of this matter? Not being snarky. I am clueless!

The gun did cycle normally but the GZ took the bullet out of the chamber. Then he took the ammo clip out and put the bullet back in the ammo clip and pronto full magazine again. And some proof that a struggle went on with the gun that caused it to malfunction. Farfetched though IMO. Plus when did he have the time for that trick.

 

[Chris_Texas]

Sadly, you're right. Frankly, I'm a little on edge here. If they decide self-defense, no arrest. Katy bar the door. Yes, I do believe there will be riots. Here, Sanford, and even far away - maybe Chicago who can tell? I don't think it will go well. Ugly will get uglier.




JMHO

I agree. There likely will be riots. I am actually amazed that things have remained as calm as they are. In my opinion, it won't last.

 

[Yoda]

The gun did cycle normally but the GZ took the bullet out of the chamber. Then he took the ammo clip out and put the bullet back in the ammo clip and pronto full magazine again. And some proof that a struggle went on with the gun that caused it to malfunction. Farfetched though IMO. Plus when did he have the time for that trick.

I'm laughing to myself because every answer I have read confuses me more. Tell me if i am right: He shoots, the gun is supposed to automatically advance another bullet to the chamber? But the gun did not have a bullet in the chamber (supposed leaked info). This means something stopped the gun from the bullet advancing or GZ did what you said above to deceive the LE??? Is that correct! Tia

 

[Deleted member 39678]

He was arrested yesterday. Possession of a firearm by a felon.

A New Black Panther leader was arrested.

DEKALB COUNTY, Ga. —

A leading member of the controversial New Black Panther Party remains in the DeKalb County Jail Tuesday after deputies arrested him on weapons charges.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/new-black-panther-leader-jailed-dekalb-county/nLdsp/

 

[vlpate]

There is no way the black guy Mary C is talking about could be Trayvon. Mary C called 911 after the shot. And I really don't think Trayvon managed to stand up after being shot. I think she is either confused that Zimmerman is black (because it was dark) or somebody else showed up on the scene.

Most people aren't going to check. That's what a media frenzy counts on. A lawyer for the family today was livid that the school had leaked Trayvon's private records - they didn't count on that information getting out. They took Trayvon's twitter offline and made his facebook private, they forgot about google cache and how social networking makes the good old days of pulling the wool over our collective eyes way more difficult.

This family should have stepped back for a week or two. They should have let the special prosecutor do her job. They said it wasn't about race, and now it is. Push, push back.

eta: great catch by the way

 

[vlpate]

A New Black Panther leader was arrested.


http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/new-black-panther-leader-jailed-dekalb-county/nLdsp/

"Nzinga is being held on $10,000 bond. Tuesday afternoon, records showed he was still incarcerated.

On his Facebook page, Nzinga states he is the New Black Panther Party's chief of staff. The organization made headlines Monday for offering a $10,000 reward for the capture of George Zimmerman, the man who shot and killed unarmed Florida teenager Trayvon Martin."

I guess that reward may have to wait.

 

[deelytful1]

A federal law enforcement official involved in the investigation said that Zimmerman told authorities he was returning to his sport-utility vehicle after calling police when Martin confronted him.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit.../26/gIQAIlr0cS_story.html?tid=pm_politics_pop

See? Now I KNOW this man is guilty as sin. In the 911 calls he was in hot pursuit of Trayvon. Now he claims he was walking back to his SUV and Trayvon just decided to follow him and incite an altercation?
Whateva....

 

[mikeysmommom]

I am so sorry. How horrible for you and your family.

Thank you.
It was a nightmare.A nurse came forward and told his mom the truth of what happened his mom and dad were told his heart stopped not that he was butchered by a DR who had made fatal mistakes on 1 adult and a 6 yr old child before our Steven,then an 8 yr old after.He had been slipping it came out he had Alzheimers.He first took off rib but never told Steven he took it from wrong side.He said xray after operation showed he did not take enough off it was second operation that he cut him to deep.Big cover up Thank God for the Nurse who stood up and told the truth.He was only 27.sorry for the o/t

 

[rotterdam]

Why would he have done what? Which part of my scenario do you have a question about? What would take a minute to accomplish?

After he fired the shot why would he take the next bullet out of the chamber and loaded up the ammo clip again. For safety? Or to imply that there was a struggle with the gun hence the malfunction. I know it is a safe thing to do but was he that collected after he just killed a kid. And did he tell the cops?.