17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #8

[Dr.Fessel]

Ok - so does that mean there was both an entry and exit wound? Why would he say it that way if there wasn't?

Man, I'm like a hungry dog sniffing the entire kitchen floor just looking for a crumb!!!! lol

We need more info. Even if its just a weedle bit KWIM?

Just means they were sewn up.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Some of the insinuations being made today are downright ugly...and not based on any fact at all.

:twocents::moo:

Yes, 22 dollars is so much money? I wonder what anyone would think of my 17-year-old niece's money? Or even my 7-year-old niece? I'm always handing them a 20 here, a 20 there. My 7-year-old niece charged me 50 dollars for a massage. I gave it to her because I thought it was funny but told her I would no longer be in need of her service.

It's painful to read here sometimes.

 

[Storm]

My thoughts exactly. What was it exactly that TM Doing?

Why exactly does it matter? We have not had a witness or even the shooter saying he was doing anything illegal. We do know he had a reason to be there..he was living there! How could it matter what he was doing as he walked? He wasn't shooting anyone or stalking anyone. It appears he had Skittles and ice tea..and had every right to be in that neighborhood. ^i^

 

[HiHater]

"Leaks from the police report detail Zimmerman telling police he was heading back to his truck when Martin knocked him down with a punch to his nose, jumped on him, repeatedly banged his head on the ground, then tried to grab Zimmerman's gun.

In a struggle for Zimmerman's gun, the watchman shot the teenager, Zimmerman told police."

What about this part of the article? Is this "official" as well?

Yes, that's "officially" Zimmerman's "story"...

 

[iluvmua]

Don't you think if GZ saw TM trying to break into a house that would have come out by now?

I said If GZ saw TM trying to break into a house, not that he did see TM trying to break into a house.

This was just speculation on my part because we don't know what GZ saw TM do.

 

[w1df10wr]

According to the boy's father in the early part of his walk with the camera in this video, the mailboxes are up at the clubhouse.

http://www.thegrio.com/specials/tra...timeline-leaves-many-unanswered-questions.php

:tyou: Been thinking about something from the article in the link -

"The chain of events both before and after Trayvon's death leave numerous unanswered questions.
Did police retrieve Trayvon's cell phone at the scene of the shooting, and if so, why didn't they didn't use it to try to identify him by calling some of the numbers, one of which would have appeared as a call taking place at the same time as the incident? Why wouldn't they scroll through the contacts, looking for "mom" or "dad"?
That phone hasn't been seen since.The family says police never gave it to them. Trayvon's father located his girlfriend by retrieving his son's call logs online."

Why wouldn't the phone and any driver license or state id, be given back to the family?

 

[octobermoon]

You don't live in Florida, do you? You are 100% mistaken that Hispanic people do not use that word and you are 100% mistaken that people don't use that term any more. I live here and I can tell you that that word is still a widely used word here.

racism knows no bounds. The us against them is sadly everywhere.

 

[gator]

Going off the assumption that GZ was not jumped from behind and there was a face-to-face confrontation like the GF stated, what would GZ have had to do for it to be considered an act of aggression/starting the fight? Would GZ have had to touch Trayvon? Pull his gun? Advance threateningly? Show the gun in its holster?

It seems like there is agreement that under the law, following someone and asking a question is not aggressive in itself. When would the line be crossed?

 

[iluvmua]

Some of the insinuations being made today are downright ugly...and not based on any fact at all.

:twocents::moo:

a lot of it is just speculation

 

[LolaMoon08]

According to Zimmerman, Trayvon was walking, looking suspicious, high as a kite, checking him out, and then running. He was an a**hole and a f***ing c***. That is what Trayvon was doing.

 

[tambo]

Many people are chronic pot heads and it does not justify any shooting at all.

Most pot heads don’t run around with a pipe in hand and a screwdriver with ladies jewelry in the locker.
But bringing all of that up brings to light that he was not a puritan and that is only fair when they brought to light that GZ was no puritan either.
Bringing to light that he was not as sweet as the little boy with the red shirt on also makes me wonder why did they need to put that photo up? was it to create an imprint on public opinion about a sweet boy when in fact he was just who he was a teen ager that is not squeaky clean, no mo and no less.

would it make any difference...oh wait, I see, if he looked like a than nobody would care.. hmmmmm I'm sure that no one here would ever claim to not care...because of course this has nothing to do with trayvon's past at all...I keep wondering why people are trying sooooo hard to paint this kid as some kind of ...I mean look at michelle malkin putting up a picture that she said was travon and showing him in a very bad way...but ooops, turns out that wasn't even him...and she knew it..just like neo nazis at stormfront who just so happened to have that same picture on their website...apparently even before michelle malkin had it...maybe thats where she got it from..who knows...anyway,, he wasn't squeky clean, but but...it doesn't change anything about that night...

 

[Sensei]

It's not always a gun. How about a bag of radio's!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/28/miami-judge-rules-in-stan_n_1385219.html

Sadly the plain fact of the matter is that people hurt other people, they bludgeon them and stab, and cut, with some of the darndest things, we have had to remove everything from knitting needles to half a broken cd, in fact one of our Drs keeps some small souveniers of the strange things he has had to remove from various people (not all from violence) If all guns were outlawed then someone would make a fortune making cross bows and swords So the idea that a bag of radios as a deadly weapon does not surprise me, but the bag of radios does not have the immediate and deadly potential of a firearm, a person could possibly come back from the brink and not kill someone with a bag of radios, a gunshot in the right place and there is usually no coming back.

I object to guns simply because they are so very efficient at doing major damage to people and not everyone is psychologically suited to have a deadly and dangerous weapon close at hand.

 

[m00c0w]

Going off the assumption that GZ was not jumped from behind and there was a face-to-face confrontation like the GF stated, what would GZ have had to do for it to be considered an act of aggression/starting the fight? Would GZ have had to touch Trayvon? Pull his gun? Advance threateningly? Show the gun in its holster?

It seems like there is agreement that under the law, following someone and asking a question is not aggressive in itself. When would the line be crossed?

I would say the following and then if Zimmerman were to even attempt to touch Martin would constitute aggressive behavior.

 

[songline]

GZ was not unreasonable to call LE, he was not unreasonable to "Keep an eye " on a stranger in his neighborhood....he was ureasonable to get out of his vehicle to follow this stranger, he was unreasonable to not wait for LE, and ultimately he was not making the best decision one could make to do those things while carrying a loaded gun in his waistband.

GZ is the one who made those decisions and if wanting him to prove that his use of deadly force was appropriate and unavoidable is considered hanging himout to dry or whatever, then I guess that I am in fact doing that.

That is one of the issues that has me on this board

There is also the issue of why SPD could not be bothered to dot their I's and cross their T's in the case of a teen who was unarmed shot dead....that is the biggest cluster F*** I have ever seen for an investigation, they now have things so FUBAR that it may never be straightened out, and only because they thought they already had the answers, that a was in the wrong place at the wrong time and they just didn't want to spend any more time over it.

SYG is a peripheral issue as well as a host of others.

So yes, there are issues that are not racial at all, and issues that are entirely racial all combined in this one horrific incident.

OK As for the Police I agree, there should always be an investigation when there is a shooting and one person cannot tell their side.

BUT...
In the 911 when they ask him for an address he did not know exactly. He got out only to see a house # (all the houses do look alike, and if he did not know the house #I cannot fault him).
I also agree that he should not have gotten out of the car because he did have a concealed weapon, and he did not know if the boy had one too.
BUT it is not against the law for him to have gotten out of the car.
a bad decision equals not smart
it does not equal killer.

 

[gxm]

You don't live in Florida, do you? You are 100% mistaken that Hispanic people do not use that word and you are 100% mistaken that people don't use that term any more. I live here and I can tell you that that word is still a widely used word here.

I don't live in Florida. But my SIL used to and we were just talking about this case this morning and he agreed that the "c" word is outdated. IMO, GZ could have said the "c" word, or he might have said the "g" word, or maybe he was just mad at his "phone." I don't think we'll ever know for sure and I really don't think a garbled, muttered, indecipherable whisper is the best evidence to hang a case on.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

 

[HiHater]

I said If GZ saw TM trying to break into a house, not that he did see TM trying to break into a house.

This was just speculation on my part because we don't know what GZ saw TM do.

Actually, we do.

He saw Trayvon walking about, he saw Trayvon looking at houses, he saw Trayvon staring at him (Zimmerman), he saw Trayvon with something in his hand, he saw Trayvon reach for his waistband, and he saw Trayvon run toward the back entrance...

I don't see how anyone could speculate about Zimmerman seeing anything other than what he reported on his own 911 call.

:moo: :twocents:

 

[Emeralgem]

Wait, hold up

Anyone got CNN on right now? The guy they were just talking to - one of their reporters in Sanford.

He starting talking about the ME's office, funeral home, etc. said they reached out. Then, I THINK I HEARD him say that the funeral home told them there was an autopsy performed and as far as the bullet wound - they couldn't discern the entry or exit points?

WTH did he say? Really? So, IF Trayvon was shot in the back and exited through the chest - the ME couldn't discern if it went through the chest out the back or through the back and out the chest? Huh?

Did anyone else just catch that?

JMHO

I don't have the tv on so I didn't catch it... But IMHO..There are entirely too too many people in authority who now seem to be covering their azzes as well GZ's azz...JMHO..

 

[songline]

would it make any difference...oh wait, I see, if he looked like a than nobody would care.. hmmmmm I'm sure that no one here would ever claim to not care...because of course this has nothing to do with trayvon's past at all...I keep wondering why people are trying sooooo hard to paint this kid as some kind of ...I mean look at michelle malkin putting up a picture that she said was travon and showing him in a very bad way...but ooops, turns out that wasn't even him...and she knew it..just like neo nazis at stormfront who just so happened to have that same picture on their website...apparently even before michelle malkin had it...maybe thats where she got it from..who knows...anyway,, he wasn't squeky clean, but but...it doesn't change anything about that night...

You cannot paint GZ's past and hang him
and then put up a 12 year old boys photo NO NO :nono.
You have to look at the character of both.

There are many unknown in the case.
Lets at least see who is who...
A witch hunt is still just a witch hunt.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Going off the assumption that GZ was not jumped from behind and there was a face-to-face confrontation like the GF stated, what would GZ have had to do for it to be considered an act of aggression/starting the fight? Would GZ have had to touch Trayvon? Pull his gun? Advance threateningly? Show the gun in its holster?

It seems like there is agreement that under the law, following someone and asking a question is not aggressive in itself. When would the line be crossed?

I say yes on the first two the second two would be iffy but if someone advanced on you with a clenched fist I would think you would have the right to defend yourself by blocking or throwing the actual first punch. Showing the gun and words with it would be enough like "come with me" or stop.

 

[Beyond Belief]

Was this community given descriptions of persons commiting crimes in their area?