17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #15

[w1df10wr]

Trying to find timeline of events. Would that be in the media file and if it is, where is the Trayvon Martin media file? Thanks

I'm not sure if we have a timeline here but this is the Media thread...

Trayvon Martin Shooting Media Thread - NO DISCUSSION - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

I would be willing write a timeline thread if others would find it helpful.

 

[Velouria]

Many posters have asked the question why did Zimmerman get out of his vehicle in this instance and not in other instances while on his neighborhood watch. IMO he made the horrible decision to get out of his vehicle because he had been drinking, and was feeling cocky. How convenient for Zimmerman that LE did not perform a breathalyzer?

Does anyone believe this case would have been a slam dunk for an arrest and charging of Zimmerman if it could have been proven that he was under the influence?

jmo

I don't know, but he was by his own account on a trip to Target, and we recently learned they sell beer. And hoodies, come to think of it.



Sorry mods, I'm going back to the corner now.

 

[mercuriod]

:waitasec: Wouldn't he have been home by then and the 3rd/ night shift officers be on duty at that time? Did he change his report or did someone else?

Most police in Florida do 12 hr shifts not 8.

 

[wishuwerehere]

Would they even perform a breathalyzer here? He wasn't driving a car. I don't know what the procedure to make someone take a breathalyzer is. Is there a law to be drunk and carry a gun?

I believe it is standard procedure to test a police officer for drugs and alcohol if he/she has been involved in a shooting.

I know Zimmerman is not a cop, but he was involved in a shooting. This may be why they brought Zimmerman to the station initially, to test him for drugs/alcohol. Then the call came down to cut him loose.

jmo

 

[suzihawk]

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Info for that article came from an "unnamed former co-worker" so read with a grain of salt.

My gosh people! None of you know what George Zimmerman was thinking any more than you know for certain what Trayvon Martin was thinking that night. Maybe he walked to 7-11 and bought ice tea and skittles. Maybe he was out just walking around and had ice tea and skittles from home. No one here knows.

Maybe George Zimmerman is a rampant racist that tries to cover it up by mentoring black kids. Maybe he skulks around the community every single night prowling for black teens to harass. No one here knows.

FACT IS NONE OF YOU KNOW! Please stop trashing this man because he could be telling the truth.

News outlets have edited the 911 audiotapes to make GZ look guilty. The former attorney general claims the Martin family lawyer of outright lies. http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/02/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html

What if -- what IF - George Zimmerman is telling the truth?

:waitasec:

For the most part, no one is trashing either party. There's been a bit on both sides, but I trust and respect the mods that do an excellent job of decidng when we cross the line.

We're trying to understanding this crime. We do that by speculating, sleuthing and trying to sort out the facts. It's what we do here.

It's not always pretty.

 

[Velouria]

Why do I think Chris Serino is going to be the John Dean of this case?

Investigator Chris Serino then took Martin to another room and told him Zimmerman's version of events. Sanford police have stopped talking to reporters about the case, and Serino has never spoken publicly about his role in it, but here is how Martin recalls what Serino said:

Sanford police released Zimmerman without charge, but Martin says Serino told him he would challenge Zimmerman's account.

"The detective's words were, 'I want to interview him again to catch him in a lie,'" Martin said.

A law-enforcement source, who had been informed of the case by investigators, told Reuters that Serino was eager to bring a charge but encountered resistance from the office of the prosecutor, State Attorney Norman Wolfinger.

"Chris (Serino) would have made a recommendation for manslaughter, but Norm Wolfinger's office wanted it to be a slam dunk," said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "They don't want to hear that this is wrong or that is wrong with the case. That's the way this county does business."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/03/usa-florida-shooting-trayvon-idUSL2E8F31ZX20120403

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[csziggy]

:floorlaugh:

Must be that really high evaporation rate we have in FL

 

[miimaa]

Many posters have asked the question why did Zimmerman get out of his vehicle in this instance and not in other instances while on his neighborhood watch. IMO he made the horrible decision to get out of his vehicle because he had been drinking, and was feeling cocky. How convenient for Zimmerman that LE did not perform a breathalyzer?

Does anyone believe this case would have been a slam dunk for an arrest and charging of Zimmerman if it could have been proven that he was under the influence?

jmo

Where did that come from? He was on his way to do some shopping.

 

[miimaa]

My goodness. All I have to say is: Occam's Razor, y'all. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

-Who has documented aggression issues?
-Who was recorded stating that he was following the deceased victim?
-Who had the loaded gun?
-Whose story keeps changing?
-Who was shown to have no visible injuries in the police station video?
-Who did not go to the ER the night of the shooting? (as opposed to the morgue)
-Who did 2 audio experts verify was not screaming?

I guess it's possible that Trayvon somehow turned into a raving belligerent lunatic after displaying none of those tendencies previously and attacked and beat GZ into near unconsciousness, but his head wounds were internal, and his broken nose was not swollen or bloody, and GZ was actually screaming like a teenager. Is it likely? I submit that it is not.

JMO

Please link to 'documented aggression issue'
Please link to 'story keeps changing'
Please link to 'no visible injuries'

 

[Velouria]

Sorry for the OT, but I just want y'all to know I'm sitting here under a tornado warning (tornadoes just touched down within 20 miles of here) and still can't tear myself away.

I guess I'm one of those people Jane Velez Mitchell is always braying about in her book, "Addict Nation".

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Many posters have asked the question why did Zimmerman get out of his vehicle in this instance and not in other instances while on his neighborhood watch. IMO he made the horrible decision to get out of his vehicle because he had been drinking, and was feeling cocky. How convenient for Zimmerman that LE did not perform a breathalyzer?

Does anyone believe this case would have been a slam dunk for an arrest and charging of Zimmerman if it could have been proven that he was under the influence?

jmo

I never paid any attention to this case until I heard the 911 tape of Zimmerman.

I am a "self proclaimed expert" of identifying drunks by their speech and movements. I lived the first 16 years of my life with an alcoholic parent and for your physical and mental well being you learn real fast about word slurring, mush mouth, micro face movements and balance missteps. All my life I have been able to spot a drunk before anyone around me suspected it. There have been some articles lately talking about how a lot of people can do this.

When I first heard that 911 tape I knew I was listening to someone who had been drinking. All based on my past experiences. IMO

 

[tlcya]

Where did that come from? He was on his way to do some shopping.

I think it comes from the fact that many find it odd that toxicology was performed on TM's body but none was done on GZ. There are quite a few posters who feel that is unusual and wonder - IF there is some sort of coverup going on, if that lack of testing on the shooter is somehow evidence of same.

 

[Velouria]

Where did that come from? He was on his way to do some shopping.

We know that is what he claims he was going to do.

 

[miimaa]

We actually do know TM purchased those items at the 7-11 that evening.

I don't believe that examining GZ's past behavior is trashing, but would agree that it's important to distinguish fact from opinion and avoid "unnecessary roughness" toward any of the players in this case.

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Please provide links.

If GZ's past behavior is going to be examined then so should TM's.

 

[jjenny]

BBM

One news organization, NBC News, made one bad edit and it is being investigated. It is about 3 seconds worth of coverage. There have been about 8 billion hours of coverage where that has not happened.

And the rest of it is all good? First abc shows the tape and claims Zimmerman had no visible injuries. Then they enhance the tape and say he does in fact has visible injuries. But that is after everybody already heard he had none. I wouldn't want to be on the other end of such reporting.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I wonder what Zimmerman was going to buy at Target? I don't find it unusual that someone would go to Target at that time, I just question if he was really going to Target?

I really, really want to see the videos from the complex. There has to be something on them. Entrance gates, clubhouse, etc...

It would have at least caught the beginning when Trayvon walked into the complex and Trayvon at the clubhouse. It should also probably show Zimmerman's truck.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Sorry for the OT, but I just want y'all to know I'm sitting here under a tornado warning (tornadoes just touched down within 20 miles of here) and still can't tear myself away.

I guess I'm one of those people Jane Velez Mitchell is always braying about in her book, "Addict Nation".

Sending prayers your way! lease:lease:

 

[gxm]

Here's what I think, FWIW...

I think he WAS out stalking his prey. His prey being those imagined A$$**le thugs that always got away. And I believe he does have a propensity for racial bias - so that makes him a racial predator, IMO. He called the police so that when the 'suspect' was arrested he would be hailed as a hero and savior in his world and little 'kingdom'. Once again, the 'suspect' was getting away and he wasn't about to let that happen so he went after him. I think he caught up to him and most likely grabbed him trying to 'detain' him and Trayvon fought back and he shot him being the coward he is.

So while I don't think he started off his day by deciding he was going to kill someone, I believe he is a racial predator and I think there was definitely premeditation and intent.

That's my opinion.

Thank you for so clearly stating your opinion. I really didn't feel like having to search through the comments to confirm my observation that there are those who purport that GZ was out searching for a black person to kill, i.e., "stalking his prey." For those who did not believe me, let the above comment speak for itself.

 

[suzihawk]

Sorry for the OT, but I just want y'all to know I'm sitting here under a tornado warning (tornadoes just touched down within 20 miles of here) and still can't tear myself away.

I guess I'm one of those people Jane Velez Mitchell is always braying about in her book, "Addict Nation".

LOL I had to tear myself away for a store run.

Please take good care!

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

if he had shot GZ, would everyone be wanting him tried as a child or adult?

he was 17, not 16.

Those who are on TM side without knowing anything would want him tried as a child. After all they are still calling him a child. JMO

The only people who can consider TM a child are his parents, because even if he was 50 he is still their child.

You are confusing criminal liability to legal responsiblity...a child is a child until the ripe age of 18...I posted that upthread...

Since the crimes have become more violent with children committing them, they have lowered the age of when to charge a child as an adult..I still believe that's wrong for their minds are not mature enough to have the foresight of the what if's...KWIM?

For Trayvon, he was not legally an adult..he just turned 17, weeks before <Mod Snip> George decided to take his life...