17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #16

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  • #381
hey I pay a lot of taxes for my home ,I pay their salaries and support LE we all have LE plates.I also send in donations,so I have never had a problem calling 911 and they have never had a problem with me calling.IMO any stranger following you can be fatal.I wonder if a simple 911 call might have stop this from happening.

Why would your PD accept donations? They aren't suppose to do that. Volunteer fire dept., yes, but LE????? My husband also told me those calls for donations are a scam. So I would hope you didn't send money from a phone call. As to your last question I would guess the 911 call would never have been necessary had GZ listened and stayed in his car waiting for that patrol car to show up.

It's possible TM did not realize GZ was really, seriously following him (because he did not feel guilty because he wasn't doing anything wrong) and ducked into a porch area with the privacy fencing just to see if GZ was actually following him. By the time GZ found TM it was too late. TM asked for an answer to his question. According to the gf he never got that answer and it was already too late. jmo
 
  • #382
I would assume your daughter has never been in the extremely dire situation that Trayvon was faced with? When I was approached and subsequently strong armed by a mugger, I was absolutely paralyzed in fear for my life. I didn't have a cell phone at the time, but I don't think I would have had the presence of mind to dial 911 and I was in my 40s at the time. The fact is, no one knows how they would react in such a situation - until faced with it. No matter how much 'training' one has had. JMO

This is true. When I was approached with my children last week, I really had to get my thoughts together. I was trying to protect my children, analyze the man, decide if he had a weapon, and decide if I should call 911. I ended up fumbling with my phone and calling.
 
  • #383
Cultural issue? Really?

Not really sure about that one.
Maybe a social class issue.

LOL. I've been black, for just about my whole life and I've never met, or associated with anyone that wouldn't call the police. Unless they thought the situation didn't warrant it. OR unless they've had an incident with a particular cop or department. Which was rare.

I can't stand to read these stereotypes...
I hope people are basing them off of movies they watch.

:banghead:

Cultural means more than racial. :-)
 
  • #384
Children are more prone to disability through TBI because their brain is still in development. A 28-year-old male's is not.
B.B.M. Absolutely wrong!!! I know, I can say this with certainty because for 13 years, I worked as a Speech-Language Pathologist with Head Injured patients or T.B.I (Traumatic Brain Injuries) with both kids and adults. Children under the age of 12 have brains that still have plasticity, and can recover much faster and with less residual damage than adults. In fact, a little girl at my daughter's elementary school had a stroke a couple of years ago. She has made a complete recovery. If you didn't know her history, you'd never suspected it ever happened! And, on the other side, you have Gabby Giffords, who was essentially forced to resign her congressional seat because of her gunshot wound,and although she has made remarkable progress, she may never fully recover.
Gender has no effect on recovery either...
P.S. went backwards through the thread and saw your previous posts- what I'm referring to is recovery rates, not incidences of occurence, which I think you have confused...

From your article: The new research echoes Dr. Douglas Smith’s experience. “Kids do recover better than adults,” says Smith, director of the Center for Brain Injury and Repair and professor of neurosurgery at the Perelman School of Medicine, University of Pennsylvania. “And the younger [kids] tend to do better than the older ones. That’s because the younger you are the more plastic your brain is. That makes it easier for the brain to rewire.” http://vitals.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...ause-lingering-problems-for-years-study-finds
 
  • #385
Cultural issue? Really?

Not really sure about that one.
Maybe a social class issue.

LOL. I've been black, for just about my whole life and I've never met, or associated with anyone that wouldn't call the police. Unless they thought the situation didn't warrant it. OR unless they've had an incident with a particular cop or department. Which was rare.

I can't stand to read these stereotypes...
I hope people are basing them off of movies they watch.

:banghead:

Hehe, quoting myself here.

I had a bad experience with a local dept. They treated me like the criminal when someone attempted to break into my house. (I'm not even close. I'm a homeschooling mommy who knits, lol)...However, that didn't stop me from calling if I needed it. lol
 
  • #386
I absolutely LOVE Judge Judy!

It's from all that Judge Judy I've watched that I know the issue is who put their hands on the other one first!
 
  • #387
Cultural issue? Really?

Not really sure about that one.
Maybe a social class issue.

LOL. I've been black, for just about my whole life and I've never met, or associated with anyone that wouldn't call the police. Unless they thought the situation didn't warrant it. OR unless they've had an incident with a particular cop or department. Which was rare.

I can't stand to read these stereotypes...
I hope people are basing them off of movies they watch.

:banghead:
Actually, come to Oakland or Richmond, CA. Blacks rarely call the cops here. A good friend of mine who is a lawyer makes her living routinely suing Oakland P.D. for wrongful death suits against black victims.
 
  • #388
Cultural means more than racial. :-)

I meant to quote the other member that mentioned African-Americans. I took it to mean AA culture.
 
  • #389
Martin family lawyers stick to the meeting taking place...citing multiple, credible sources.

And FBI today met with FT.

...the family's legal team has multiple, credible sources who say Wolfinger and Lee met that night. She declined to elaborate.

FBI agents were in Sanford on Tuesday, continuing their interviews in a civil rights investigation of the case...One of the people they met with Tuesday is Frank Taaffe, Zimmerman's neighbor and friend.

Also Tuesday, Taaffe told CNN that the neighborhood had experienced a spate of burglaries over 15 months, which he said were committed by black men. But Taaffe said Zimmerman was not a racist.

Police records didn't appear to support Taaffe's assertion, describing four incidents involving black men. Taaffe declined further comment to CNN.


http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/03/justice/florida-teen-shooting/?hpt=hp_t3
 
  • #390
I agree. Those are the gut-wrenching wails of a person in severe distress, imo. To me, it doesn't sound like the stacatto cries you hear during a series of sudden blows. It's different, more sustained. I didn't think of a headlock, but that makes sense. Actually, I wondered if GZ grabbed TM below the waist to disable him. I might be totally off base, but that's my perception of the sounds on that tape. My untrained ears also tell me it's a second voice crying "help me" in that instant before we hear the gunshot. JMO

Could GZ have been mocking Trayvon's cries for help?
 
  • #391
This is true. When I was approached with my children last week, I really had to get my thoughts together. I was trying to protect my children, analyze the man, decide if he had a weapon, and decide if I should call 911. I ended up fumbling with my phone and calling.

Exactly. At the point of TM's contact with GZ (asking the question) it was already too late from him to call 911. It does take you time to get your thoughts together because you have no idea what this person is up to.

The same posts that say TM should have not been concerned about someone following him and GZ was not stalking at the time are now saying TM should have been concerned and called 911. That somehow what happened to him was his fault, or that he must be the aggressor because he didn't call 911. jmo
 
  • #392
Martin family lawyers stick to the meeting taking place...citing multiple, credible sources.

And FBI today met with FT.

...the family's legal team has multiple, credible sources who say Wolfinger and Lee met that night. She declined to elaborate.

FBI agents were in Sanford on Tuesday, continuing their interviews in a civil rights investigation of the case...One of the people they met with Tuesday is Frank Taaffe, Zimmerman's neighbor and friend.

Also Tuesday, Taaffe told CNN that the neighborhood had experienced a spate of burglaries over 15 months, which he said were committed by black men. But Taaffe said Zimmerman was not a racist.

Police records didn't appear to support Taaffe's assertion, describing four incidents involving black men. Taaffe declined further comment to CNN.


http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/03/justice/florida-teen-shooting/?hpt=hp_t3

This is making me feel hopeful that justice may be served.

But I think four incidents on 15 months *could* be construed as a trend, especially if there were only four total incidents total (as opposed to 20 more by white men and another 10 by Asians, or whatever). Did the guy actually use that word "spate" when he spoke to CNN?
 
  • #393
Martin family lawyers stick to the meeting taking place...citing multiple, credible sources.

And FBI today met with FT.

...the family's legal team has multiple, credible sources who say Wolfinger and Lee met that night. She declined to elaborate.

FBI agents were in Sanford on Tuesday, continuing their interviews in a civil rights investigation of the case...One of the people they met with Tuesday is Frank Taaffe, Zimmerman's neighbor and friend.

Also Tuesday, Taaffe told CNN that the neighborhood had experienced a spate of burglaries over 15 months, which he said were committed by black men. But Taaffe said Zimmerman was not a racist.

Police records didn't appear to support Taaffe's assertion, describing four incidents involving black men. Taaffe declined further comment to CNN.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/03/justice/florida-teen-shooting/?hpt=hp_t3

Surprise, surprise. Mr. Taaffe: Open mouth, insert foot. jmo
 
  • #394
I do believe that it was premeditated by George because of his racism towards blacks, and now he is in CYA mode, IMO!

Like this. "Next time I see one of them around here, I am going to make sure he does NOT get away!" Because he actually believes that any young black guy walking through the neighborhood is up to no good and he is tired of it. He's gonna be the hero who puts a stop to it. And he knows just what to say to police to spin it as self-defense. So when he sees Trayvon, it is the chance he has been waiting for. This scenario is totally believable to me, even though I certainly do not know whether it happened like that or not.

All JMO.
 
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  • #396
On the CNN tape link Curtis Sliva, Guardian Angels Founders said pointing to his head that GZ had all his furniture upstairs rearranged in the wrong rooms (referring to his actions). Giving volunteers a bad name. jmo
 
  • #397
For black Sanford residents, a history of distrusting police

http://www.thegrio.com/specials/tra...rd-residents-police-a-history-of-mistrust.php

When Sanford's black residents talk about the "good old boy" network, they often mean the Sanford police department, which for many, embodies the worst aspects of the old south.

"You've got the Mississippi Delta, and you've got the 'bottom.' This is the 'bottom,'" says community activist Kenneth Bentley, whose family is among the oldest in the black district known as Goldsboro. .......Bentley's aunt, Altomese Bentley, who was a longtime educator in the community.

His words echo many in this community, who have little faith in Sanford police.

"If you stand outside Sunshine Liquor Store and drink a beer they'll arrest you in a heartbeat," Bentley said of the policing in the Goldsboro neighborhood by Sanford police, "But if you get hit in the head or your house gets broken into, don't even call."
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The rift between Sanford's black residents and police didn't start with Trayvon Martin. Locals tell of former police chief Roy G. Williams, who was chief from the 1920s through the 1960s, and who used to take prisoners from the jail and force them to work on his farm in Georgia. He was eventually jailed for the practice.

The previous chief, Brian Tooley, the third longest serving chief at 14 years on the job in Sanford, was forced to retire a month early last January after officers failed to arrest Justin Collisin, a police lieutenant's son who beat up a homeless black man, Sherman Ware, in an incident captured on cellphone video that went viral.
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But Bentley, who runs a community after school program for local youth, says Lee is only the latest symptom of a long term problem. "This is generational," he said, "This is decades of abuse. It didn't just happen."

To illustrate that, Bentley reels off a list of incidents he says preceded Trayvon Martin's killing on February 26th, each of which has eaten away at this city's black residents.
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"They're talking about Trayvon Martin," Bentley said, "We've got a thousand Trayvon Martins."

More at link....
 
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  • #399
From what I understand, I may "infer" from the facts of the case. People who "look like they are on drugs" often "stagger".
"He looks like he is on drugs or something" - 911 call
Fact: He was caught with drug residue in his backpack.

ETA: The quotes in the post you are referring to were not mine, they were Highflyers - perhaps they looked like I wrote them??

False. The quotes in my post are from George Zimmerman's 911 call, they are not mine.
 
  • #400
Finally got the full text of the statement by Wolfinger. As I suspected -- there is wiggle room. He never states that he did not have a face to face meeting in Sanford with the police chief:

"I am outraged by the outright lies contained in the letter by Benjamin Crump to Deputy Assistant Attorney General Roy Austin dated April 2, 2012. I encourage the Justice Department to investigate and document that no such meeting or communication occurred. I have been encouraging those spreading the irresponsible rhetoric to stop, and allow State Attorney Angela Corey to complete her work. Another falsehood distributed to the media does nothing to forward that process."

http://www.thegrio.com/specials/tra...at-wolfinger-this-family-deserves-answers.php
 
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