17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #17

[Reader]

The call with his girlfriend initiated at 7:12 and ended when Trayvon confronted GZ - according to the girlfriend and Crump.

Ummmm, NO...I don't think Trayvon's girlfriend and his family's lawyer said Trayvon confronted GZ, but that GZ confronted Trayvon....

IMO

 

[m00c0w]

Her phone records should show the exact same thing as Trayvon's?

Not necessarily. If she called him and it went to voicemail, it would show as an outgoing call on her records, but wouldn't necessarily show up on Trayvon's. Those times might help narrow things down.

 

[Reader]

Which came first, the release of the 911 calls or the girl's story? I haven't seen an actual log from her phone. The duration of the call would be on both their phone logs, right? They're just not showing that page to media.

Why haven't we seen the logs/records of GZ's calls that day and night?

Might be very interesting to know who he had been talking to....IMO

 

[TonyGatto]

Pulled from a couple of days ago...


csziggy
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2011
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Timeline, GZ's call, and odd noises
After Concerned Papa put together his timeline and estimate of the distances and time needed to travel, I looked for accurate timelines that put together the released information from calls and call logs. I couldn't find anything that had really accurate time stamps.

So I put together the call log from:
GFZ's "911" call log as listed in the initial police report - http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigati...l Report.pdf
The times from the recording of GZ's call - http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/911/call1.wav
And the call log from Trayvon's T-Mobile phone I screen captured from the ABC News report about Trayvon's girlfriend's calls: http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-mar...7#.T3c-atmP_Kg (The shot of Trayvon's call log from the ABC News story only shows the last call from the girlfriend.)
Here is a link to the PDF of the timeline I put together:
My Timeline
The underlined times are from the police call log, the other times are from my notes on the recorded call - and come at the end of the comment/event logged. The calls to Trayvon from his girlfriend are highlighted in blue. Police dispatcher notes from the log, in red. Noises I hear on the recording are in green.

There are some odd noises on the recording of GZ's call to SPD I can't identify that I would love to see what the people here think they might be:
Rhythmic, swishing noise
Fainting beeping
Clicking noise - The noise is repeated three separate times in the recording of GZ's call - this clip is the clearest and loudest.

Any theories on what these noises are?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Her phone records should show the exact same thing as Trayvon's?

And that could verify the timeline of the phone calls, right?

 

[vlpate]

That's a good question. Why hasn't the GF's phone records be released to the press to prove when and how long she talked to Trayvon?

I find two things very odd about the girlfriend's story.
7:11:59 - Subject running toward back of complex
7:12 - Trayvon's girlfriend calls Trayvon at almost the exact moment he takes off running. (GZ had no way of knowing this)

Trayvon tells her a strange man is staring at him, although he's already run away from GZ. Girlfriend tells him to run, he says he's not going to run, he's going to walk fast.

7:16 - Phone call between TM and GF ends suddenly when Trayvon's ear plugs fall out. No one is going to convince me the call ended at that moment. His phone was in his pocket - he'd have had to turn it off for it to disconnect. I'm just not buying it.

 

[highflyer]

The call with his girlfriend initiated at 7:12 and ended when Trayvon confronted GZ - according to the girlfriend and Crump.

You mean when GZ confronted Trayvon, according to the girlfriend and Crump?

 

[TonyGatto]

I find two things very odd about the girlfriend's story.
7:11:59 - Subject running toward back of complex
7:12 - Trayvon's girlfriend calls Trayvon at almost the exact moment he takes off running. (GZ had no way of knowing this)

Trayvon tells her a strange man is staring at him, although he's already run away from GZ. Girlfriend tells him to run, he says he's not going to run, he's going to walk fast.

7:16 - Phone call between TM and GF ends suddenly when Trayvon's ear plugs fall out. No one is going to convince me the call ended at that moment. His phone was in his pocket - he'd have had to turn it off for it to disconnect. I'm just not buying it.

Where are you getting these times and information?

 

[fran]

I'm going to lock this thread for this evening. When an available mod logs on in the morning, the thread will then be unlocked.

Thank you all for your concern for the Trayvon Martin case and most especially, thank you for your participation in Websleuths.

Have a good evening and see you all tomorrow.

Sincerely,
fran

fftobed:

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Night of Trayvon Martin's killing filled with conflicting reports
April 5, 2012

SANFORD, Fla. -- Sunday evening, Feb. 26: It was raining in central Florida while the NBA All-Star game and the Oscars were about to begin on TV.

A 17-year-old high school junior from Miami Gardens serving a 10-day suspension went to 7-Eleven to get candy. It was the third time Trayvon Martin had been disciplined at school, so this time his parents sent him to a quiet, racially mixed gated community in Sanford, Fla., with his dad to get his priorities straight. He was African American and wore a hoodie.

George Zimmerman, a 28-year-old neighborhood watch volunteer who routinely called police to report anything awry, had just made dinner and told his family he was headed to Target. He was Hispanic and wore a holstered Kel Tek 9mm semiautomatic handgun.

http://www.freep.com/article/201204...tin-s-killing-filled-with-conflicting-reports

I'm hoping the physical evidence will come to light. Eyewitness accounts are conflicting...waiting to see if they release the autopsy report..that will be very important...

Justice for Trayvon Martin

 

[highflyer]

Pulled from a couple of days ago...


csziggy
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 206
Timeline, GZ's call, and odd noises
After Concerned Papa put together his timeline and estimate of the distances and time needed to travel, I looked for accurate timelines that put together the released information from calls and call logs. I couldn't find anything that had really accurate time stamps.

So I put together the call log from:
GFZ's "911" call log as listed in the initial police report - http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigati...l Report.pdf
The times from the recording of GZ's call - http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/911/call1.wav
And the call log from Trayvon's T-Mobile phone I screen captured from the ABC News report about Trayvon's girlfriend's calls: http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-mar...7#.T3c-atmP_Kg (The shot of Trayvon's call log from the ABC News story only shows the last call from the girlfriend.)
Here is a link to the PDF of the timeline I put together:
My Timeline
The underlined times are from the police call log, the other times are from my notes on the recorded call - and come at the end of the comment/event logged. The calls to Trayvon from his girlfriend are highlighted in blue. Police dispatcher notes from the log, in red. Noises I hear on the recording are in green.

There are some odd noises on the recording of GZ's call to SPD I can't identify that I would love to see what the people here think they might be:
Rhythmic, swishing noise
Fainting beeping
Clicking noise - The noise is repeated three separate times in the recording of GZ's call - this clip is the clearest and loudest.

Any theories on what these noises are?

Windshield wipers
Sound car makes when lights were still on or keys were in ignition when George left his vehicle
Putting clip in gun

 

[LambChop]

From the police reports, between one and three police officers gave Travyon CPR. We do not have the SFD EMT reports and don't know exactly when they arrived. Only one ambulance was on the scene, a second one was canceled. We don't at this point know what other personnel were on the scene - other SFD, police officers, etc.

Trayvon from all we know was dead at scene.

GZ was treated while sitting in the back of a police car, not in the ambulance.

Do we even know there were two ambulances called? GZ was treated in the back of the patrol car by SFD. They sometimes arrive in a van. Could there have only been one ambulance called that was cancelled? If there were an ambulance there why wouldn't the EMT have treated GZ in the ambulance??? The only one I heard say they cancelled the second ambulance was Mr. Taaffe. Anyone know for sure???? jmo

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

George Zimmerman hires 2nd lawyer
Neighborhood Watch leader shot, killed Trayvon Martin in Sanford
Published On: Apr 04 2012 12:48:47 AM EDT Updated On: Apr 05 2012 07:03:55 AM EDT

ORLANDO, Fla. - George Zimmerman has hired a second attorney who will work alongside his first lawyer, Craig Sonner.

Defense attorney Hal Uhrig has been practicing for more than 30 years in the Orlando area. He said that he feels comfortable that the evidence surrounding the shooting of Trayvon Martin does not support an indictment of Zimmerman.

"Understand those people are now under incredible social pressure, they're being told there's going to be riots in the street if 'you don't give us the justice with the conclusion we want,'" Uhrig said.



http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Ge...er/-/1637132/10180938/-/12bc53nz/-/index.html

Zimmerman's lawyers said they haven't met Zimmerman in person.

:banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

The search for probable cause against George Zimmerman in Trayvon Martin case
By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel

7:36 p.m. EDT, April 4, 2012
In order to arrest George Zimmerman for the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, the special prosecutor heading the investigation must show a judge that she has found probable cause.

Sanford police faced public outrage when they announced they found no probable cause to arrest the Neighborhood Watch volunteer.

So what exactly is it?

It's a 'reasonable person' standard under the law," said John Tanner, former state attorney in the 7th Judicial Circuit, which includes Volusia County.

It is evidence that would convince a reasonable person that a suspect committed a crime.

For example: It's a rock of crack cocaine found in a man's pocket. It's a department-store security video showing a woman slipping a necklace into her handbag. It's a blood test showing a driver's blood-alcohol level above the legal limit.

Bob Dekle, who prosecuted serial killer Ted Bundy and is now a professor at the Levin College of Law at the University of Florida, characterized probable cause as "just above suspicion."

In the case of Trayvon's shooting death, it would be any piece of evidence that would convince a judge that Zimmerman probably committed a crime when he shot the unarmed teen in a gated Sanford community in late February.

That could be a witness, a piece of physical evidence or something else.



more
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/lo...n-probable-cause-20120404,0,650650,full.story

 

[gxm]

NO! The call BEGAN at 7:12 and ended at 7:16. If the shot rang out at 7:16:44 that is totally consistent with the GF's story. And if the phone logs show the call ending at 7:16 -- that means it could have ended anywhere from 7:16:00 to 7:16:59. We're talking a matter of seconds. I THINK WE JUST FIGURED SOMETHING OUT HERE!!!

They'll have to check to see if the time sources are/were synchronized. I only mention this because, in my house, the iMac, iPad, iPhone and cable box—which are all supposed to be "accurate" time keepers—are off by several minutes. It's very frustrating and I haven't been able to figure out why because in theory they should all be synching to the same EDT master clock (or at least that's what I think they should be doing).

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Zimmerman's Arrest Should Be a Family Affair, Including His Father
Posted: 04/ 4/2012 1:30 pm


George Zimmerman, the man who instantly turned himself into public enemy number one, is an intriguing character for a multitude of reasons. When I read Zimmerman's story, he reminds me of one of my more "interesting" friends who had a similar story in his life. This person was also a wannabe police officer who lived with his parents, dropped out of college and took things way too seriously. There are few men more frightening than wannabe cops who failed the psychological tests.


more
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-boyce-watkins/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin_b_1393761.html

 

[LambChop]

OMG, that's funny. The real watchmen are coming to get him. I just thought about the attorneys on Piers tonight stating that it's not even a fat that TM went to the store.. and that maybe he was just walking around. Piers responded how would you know it's a fact Trayvon is dead so he can't state the facts. I can't believe that they are attacking something that has been documented. I'm sure there are cameras at the 711 but no one has really disputed this fact. But, his attorneys would rather dispute that instead of explain wht was GZ doing following TM?

Even if there were no video at 7-11 there would be a record of the sale at the approximate time TM would have been there. jmo

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

April 2, 2012 11:14 AM

Ambulance called for George Zimmerman canceled, dispatch recordings say
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...e-zimmerman-canceled-dispatch-recordings-say/

 

[Emeralgem]

Zimmerman's Arrest Should Be a Family Affair, Including His Father
Posted: 04/ 4/2012 1:30 pm


George Zimmerman, the man who instantly turned himself into public enemy number one, is an intriguing character for a multitude of reasons. When I read Zimmerman's story, he reminds me of one of my more "interesting" friends who had a similar story in his life. This person was also a wannabe police officer who lived with his parents, dropped out of college and took things way too seriously. There are few men more frightening than wannabe cops who failed the psychological tests.


more
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-boyce-watkins/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin_b_1393761.html

IMHO..Excellent article. I agree wholeheartedly. Thank you for posting the link.. JMHO

ETA.. Hasn't it been revealed his mother is/was a Deputy Court Clerk?

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.freep.com/article/C4/201...led-with-conflicting-reports?odyssey=nav|head

It was the third time Trayvon Martin had been disciplined at school, so this time his parents sent him to a quiet, racially mixed gated community in Sanford, Fla., with his dad to get his priorities straight.

A T-Mobile phone log provided by the family's attorney shows Trayvon's girlfriend called him again at 7:12 p.m., just moments after they had hung up. "I think this dude is following me," Trayvon told her, according to her account.

The girl said she offered Trayvon advice: "Run!"

Trayvon did just that.

The girlfriend said she heard the two exchange questions: "Why are you following me?" and "What are you doing here?"

"While SFD was attending to Zimmerman, I overheard him state, 'I was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me,' " Smith wrote.

In an interview two weeks after the incident, Chief Lee, who has since stepped down from his post, said witness statements and physical evidence backed up Zimmerman's version of events. He suggested that based on the timing of the call, he believed that Trayvon went out of his way to approach the person tailing him and mouth off.