17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #21

[tehcloser]

Reporters and news crews appear to be gambling that she'll have Zimmerman arrested and jailed in Sanford.
Crews from NBC and CNN have had trucks parked at the Seminole County Jail since Monday.


http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...and-hal-uhrig-special-prosecutor-announcement

 

[nursebeeme]

Good Morning my dear friend. I realize you are not a paramedic, but you are a medical professional and I'd like to ask you a few questions in that regard.

IF you were at the scene of an occurance such as this, and a patient/victim was in need of treatment after a life threatening beating with visible injuries including:
First of all, we do not know if he refused treatment which is possible and secondly we do not know if he really sustained the injuries he is claiming
(1) A broken nose that was bleeding
stop the bleeding and possibly immobilize with tape: time would depend on the bleeding.. maybe a few minutes?
(2) Scalp lacerations and bleeding resulting from repeated bashing of the head on a concrete sidewalkchecked for head injury: field neuro assessment. Clean and tape any lacs until he can get to an ER for suturing. Bottom line if he accepted treatment and had a head injury he would be transported to the ER for observation imhoo and the police would have followed him to the hospital... that being said he either refused treatment or did not have any field signs of a head injury. I am thinking the latter but not enough info to figure it out at this point

-How long would you think might be reasonable for whatever treatment is typically done at the scene, prior to transport?based on what you described 10-20 minutes tops imhoo

-IF this patient, in lieu of treatment, were to insist he was fine would you expect a release to be signed for the paramedic's liability?I am an icu bsn/rn so not sure what forms these guys would use... If he refused treatment I would not think he would have to sign anything

-Conversely, if you WERN'T at the scene and read the following terminology on the incident report, to you, would it indicate a release was signed or treatment concluded?as I said above, if he truly had this head injury and consented to treatment he most likely would have been transported to the ER for a physician to evaluate him and the police would have followed the ambulance. Imhoo he is either blowing his injuries out of proportion (my current thoughts) or refused treatment and/or transport. He could have had a field exam and refused transport if that was offered.. that is a possibility as well

I am an icu/cvicu nurse (and verified here). My answers are above:moo::moo:



eta: I just read your link papa It says he was "cleared" that means he was examined and cleared. Means no need for transport or further treatment :moo:

 

[Sensei]

Yes, you're right. It's kind of a consciousness of guilt thing there. But he does have a real reason to fear.

I agree, he does have reason to fear, and in fact probably more now than he did before his Attorneys held their press conference. But at that time, he did not, he was free of the police, and there were no rallys no large groups assembled to ask questions, nothing to indicate that this incident would not just to use his words "blow over" so I understand why he is in hiding NOW, I just don't understand why he left when he did, unless he was afraid the PD was going to turn up something and then come arrest him. IMO JMHO and stuff

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

HLN: Trayvon's parents within 10 minutes (1:00).

 

[Isabelle]

Since no charges have been filed and there's a criminal investigation in progress, I'm not surprised that an attorney doesn't have access to the autopsy report yet.

I agree, but for some reason it is being kept under seal!

 

[Emeralgem]

IMO and JMHO just the fact that he packed up and left the neighborhood immediatly is a sign that he knew that he had done something that was not legal or ethical.

If you shoot someone because they are trying to kill you WHY would you leave? Then again, there is almost nothing at all about the situation that makes any kind of logical sense to me,

IMHO..You are exactly right.. WHY did he pack up and move out since he wasn't charged? Has anyone even seen him? According to his so called friends, they haven't.. And where is is wife? JMHO

 

[seattlechiquita]

HLN: Trayvon's parents within 10 minutes (1:00).

ARGHHHH! I have no HLN acces!! :banghead:

 

[nancdru]

In vehicular homicides, the drivers are routinely tested for drugs/alcohol, with no one spouting that it's a civil rights violation. Why would any non-LE shooter responsible for a fatality be any different? Any under-the-influence individual or just a crazy person can say, "I was in fear for my life," and you don't have all the facts to determine the reasonableness of that conclusion without at least a tox screen.

 

[gxm]

GZ is a victim of his delusions. So, this would explain why many on this board side with the real victim(s). I don't remember who said this on TV last night but "if GZ had stayed in his car as he was ordered to do so we would not be talking about this".

I totally disagree. If GZ hadn't been carrying a gun then we wouldn't be talking about this. The confrontation would have ended when the cops got there and GZ and/or TM would have been, at worst, roughed up a bit. GZ being a busybody didn't kill TM. GZ carrying a concealed weapon did.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

ARGHHHH! I have no HLN acces!! :banghead:

I'm sure there will be folks who watch and report

 

[Isabelle]

I am an icu/cvicu nurse (and verified here). My answers are above:moo::moo:



eta: I just read your link papa It says he was "cleared" that means he was examined and cleared. Means no need for transport or further treatment :moo:

Great answers! As a fellow RN, I have one for you: While at the scene, if GZ displayed any behavior that would imply he was not competent to make a medical decision on his behalf, don't you think LE would have taken custody and he could be forced to go to an ER for further evaluation. Someone would have to act on his behalf to protect him from further injury? Do you think there is an obligation for LE, SFD, EMT to make sure a person is capable of making the right decision? Thanks

 

[rotterdam]

I agree, he does have reason to fear, and in fact probably more now than he did before his Attorneys held their press conference. But at that time, he did not, he was free of the police, and there were no rallys no large groups assembled to ask questions, nothing to indicate that this incident would not just to use his words "blow over" so I understand why he is in hiding NOW, I just don't understand why he left when he did, unless he was afraid the PD was going to turn up something and then come arrest him. IMO JMHO and stuff

I guess he did not want to show his (imaginary/minor?) wounds in public. Could have been another reason why he bolted. Folks/neighbors could have questioned his hard to spot injuries that caused him to fear for his life.

 

[Isabelle]

Still waiting on TM's parents conference. Then are in Washington, DC.

 

[tehcloser]

I can't believe we can't find any live links.........pppfffttttt.

 

[Isabelle]

IMHO..You are exactly right.. WHY did he pack up and move out since he wasn't charged? Has anyone even seen him? According to his so called friends, they haven't.. And where is is wife? JMHO

As mentioned down thread, he didn't want his neighbors to 'see' his near fatal injuries!

 

[nursebeeme]

Now, just hours away from an announcement from the special prosecutor assigned to the case, Angela Corey, the Seminole County jail has changed its business as usual.
Deputies spent Wednesday morning setting up barricades lining the jails booking area for new inmates. A sign that has some thinking the announcement will be an arrest.

Read more: http://www.wesh.com/trayvon-martin-extended-coverage/30874316/detail.html#ixzz1rkhmVAk8

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[grandmaj]

HLN online try this link

http://www.onlinetvjunction.com/view/7468/watch-headline-news-hln-live-streaming-online.html

 

[LaLaw2000]

My question is what will ACory know within 72 hours that she didn't know yesterday afternoon? IIRC, her PC will be to release 'new' information in this case. What could it be?

This is a very important PC because she is giving the media a 3 hour heads up so they can be set up and ready.

I just cannot see that ACory, or any other SA for that matter, giving GZ any warning if he were about to be arrested. UNLESS either agents were enroute to wherever GZ is to bring him back and an arrest had already been effected by that locations local LE. An arrest warrant can be faxed, but the original signed warrant would have to be shown before GZ would be released to the agents or FDLE. There might would even have to be an extradition hearing from one state to another. This scenario is what I am hoping for.

ACory has been very quiet and I cannot imagine her releasing any 'new' information. IDK! I am rambling now.

Anxiously awaiting Trayvon's parents PC!!

MOO's

 

[Donjeta]

Maybe he didn't want his civli liberties violated?

JMO, it would have been just for his own benefit if he had been able to wave a negative tox screen report.

 

[tehcloser]

.live link

http://www.wesh.com/video/30874270/detail.html