17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #26

[m00c0w]

Is that your opinion? Were you a witness? So, we are to believe everything in the police report? Then, you would agree we should believe the charging documents as well. No need for a jury, just read the report. Sanford police have a history, read up on it. Sheer conjecture, heck, close down WS, no need for differing opinions. :floorlaugh:

All IMO, JMO and all that jazz!

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Has there been anything to contest the validity of anything the police report said about that night? :waitasec:

 

[Isabelle]

Was she bleeding externally? BBM

No, she wasn't, although don't know if she had a scrape from the fall. One of the first emergency measures we learned in Nursing School involved dealing with an accident victim. I you know a person had a blow to the head and they look ok and claim to be ok, don't let it go at that, because it is very possible that bleeding inside the brain, insidious as it can be, won't cause problems for a while and this is what happened to Ms. Richardson. Then it is too late!

 

[gxm]

That's true. Then the "profiling" becomes an enhancement (which may not be the correct legal term), but only after another overt illegal act.

I see your point, but I don't think that's the same thing as saying "racial profiling" by private citizens is illegal.

Let me add that I seriously doubt that if a white robber only robbed black families or vice versa that it would be seen as "profiling" or a hate crime. I'm thinking of Keith Hill, the Baytown serial rapist who only targeted young white men. I don't believe he was charged with a hate crime even though he clearly "profiled" young white men.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

 

[m00c0w]

What does Natasha Richardson's case have to do with George Zimmerman? He didn't lay down and never get up? Apples/oranges.

I think the point is that severe head injuries can occur without it looking like anything is overtly wrong with the individual.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

These are the same cops that were touching and searching George Zimmerman without gloves on --- and we're to expect them to think about giving George his Miranda warning? I will be shocked if they did! Shocked!

MOO

I may be late to the rodeo here, but why would they Mirandize him? They never arrested him.

 

[Adrienne37]

What does Natasha Richardson's case have to do with George Zimmerman? He didn't lay down and never get up? Apples/oranges.

I agree. I keep seeing Natasha Richardson's name brought up repeatedly on Trayvon's threads and it has absolutely no bearing on this case whatsoever.



~jmo~

 

[HiHater]

Are we still mischaracterizing his statements? :waitasec:

ROBERT ZIMMERMAN, JR., GEORGE ZIMMERMAN'S BROTHER: When you say have a bag of Skittles and an iced tea, nobody just stands there with a bag of Skittles and iced tea. You return force with force when somebody assaults you.

George was out of breath. He was barely conscious. The last thing he remembers doing was moving his head from the concrete to the grass, so that if he was banged one more time, he wouldn't be, you know, wearing diapers for the rest of his life and being spoon-fed by his brother. And it would have been very George dead had he not acted decisively and instantaneously in that moment.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1203/30/cnr.04.html

BBM
Is it just me who fails to see the "mischaracterization" ???

 

[LolaMoon08]

I'm not putting any kind of stock in the police report! I want to see George Zimmerman's own written statement (I want to see if he was alert enough to spell correctly) and his recorded interview (signs of trauma) and then the walk-through the next day.

If they would just be nice enough to release those documents, as his indentity does not need to be protected, I'd be sittin' on a rainbow.

 

[PaintingAnemone]

You have to remember though, from the standpoint of MANY, Ms. Cutcher and Ms. Lamilla are not credible witnesses for one reason or another. Much less reliable than the ones who said they saw the guy in red on bottom.

Of course. It can't be credible if it doesn't jibe with George's story. :wink:

 

[HiHater]

I may be late to the rodeo here, but why would they Mirandize him? They never arrested him.

They questioned him. They handcuffed him. They transported him to the police department. I think he was seized under the 4th amendment.

:moo::twocents:

 

[LolaMoon08]

I think the point is that severe head injuries can occur without it looking like anything is overtly wrong with the individual.

I think we all know that, but that didn't happen in this case. So it really doesn't make sense to even put Natasha, a tragic victim, in the same sentenced with an accused murderer?

 

[gxm]

When that private citizen then assaults or murders the black person, he or she has effectively committed a hate crime. :moo:

Are you sure about that? It seems to me that hate crimes involve hate, animus. Not suspicion, or fear. Just because a person of one race finds a person of another race suspicious is not, by itself, evidence of racism or racial hatred.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

 

[Isabelle]

or how about "partial" report.


~jmo~

I wouldn't trust one single thing in the original report, except that Trayvon is dead and GZ admitted to shooting him. SPD has proven themselves to be non-credible.

 

[momshrink]

Wouldn't you think SYG was covered in classes he took in Criminal Justice?

Per Orlando Sentinel GZ was never a criminal justice student. IMO this is typical of the lies he told friends and family. He was enrolled in the general education program at Seminole State College.
JMO

 

[songline]

Was she bleeding externally? BBM

NO.. not at all nothing visible. JUST a bang to the head.

I also had a buddy in Charlotte NC - sweetest Men I knew.
One day about 12 years ago his wife calls me from the Hospital to tell me that Tommy is gone.
He was playing freezebe with his Dog - he tripped hit his head continued to play; later he felt strange, my girl friend /his wife insisted to take him to emergency, he did not want to go and she would not have it….She took him. That night he was gone. No blood nothing.

I agree with the brother one more hit to a head can create for someone to end up with diapers.

 

[suzihawk]

Are we still mischaracterizing his statements? :waitasec:

very much :yes:

Robert zimmerman Jr:

"George was out of breath, he was barely conscious, his last thing he remembers doing was moving his head from the concrete to the grass, so that if he was banged one more time he wouldn't be -- you know, wearing diapers for the rest of his life and being spoon fed by his brother, and there would have been George dead had he not acted decisively and instantaneously in that moment when he was being disarmed by --"

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1203/29/pmt.01.html

ETA: HH beat me to it.

 

[LolaMoon08]

When Mr. O'Mara asked that the witnesses statements be sealed because they didn't want their identity to be disclosed, that wouldn't include George, right? His statements wouldn't be sealed, right?

 

[m00c0w]

Of course. It can't be credible if it doesn't jibe with George's story. :wink:

What portion of his story does it not "jibe" with? Their accounts as far as screaming and noises heard are different from everyone else involved, and they've interchanged details in the stories they've given to the press. They didn't see the altercation, and never claimed to. They saw the aftermath, and even then... they apparently don't even know if Zimmerman was standing or kneeling. They've said both.

 

[gxm]

Per Orlando Sentinel GZ was never a criminal justice student. IMO this is typical of the lies he told friends and family. He was enrolled in the general education program at Seminole State College.
JMO

Do we know if he took any justice classes? Perhaps if he had taken some justice classes, and spoke about the classes (or his intention to take such classes) to his family and friends they would have gotten that impression. There are many explanations for miscommunication. Lying isn't the only one.

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

 

[m00c0w]

Robert zimmerman Jr:

"George was out of breath, he was barely conscious, his last thing he remembers doing was moving his head from the concrete to the grass, so that if he was banged one more time he wouldn't be -- you know, wearing diapers for the rest of his life and being spoon fed by his brother, and there would have been George dead had he not acted decisively and instantaneously in that moment when he was being disarmed by --"

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1203/29/pmt.01.html

Sure. And that hypothetical situation somewhat poorly explaining the potential gravity of head trauma has been twisted into "Zimmerman only being moments away from being in diapers". I think there's a clear meaning behind what the brother said, and others have turned that into Zimmerman was literally a blow away from being in diapers.