17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #28

[m00c0w]

lmbo..........to me it's the bubble peeps carrying the guns. I still think it's fear. Just my opine, which I am entitled to.

Do you have car insurance? Are you in constant fear of needing to use it? Do you have a fire extinguisher in your kitchen? Do you constantly fear setting things on fire? Do you have homeowner's insurance? Are you in fear of something happening to your house? Do you have smoke detectors? Do you live in constant fear of your house catching on fire? Do you wear a seatbelt? Are you always worried about getting into a wreck?

You can characterize it however you want. It's no more us being paranoid than anyone else doing any of the above.

 

[HiHater]

If he testifies in the immunity hearing and loses, will his words on the stand be allowed at trial? I don't think that would be fair for either side. IYKWIM

I think so. Prior sworn testimony is usually allowable, right?

Why wouldn't it be fair, the truth doesn't change? His story at the SYG hearing should be the same at trial.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I don't think it matters how great GZ's injuries were, just that he had them. If I'm being attacked or threatened, I'm gonna shoot before the person gets the chance to injure me more. JMO

And I think a bunch of jurors would agree with you.

 

[gxm]

Lol!

Most head injuries that hit the scalp, bleed. The scalp is too vascular for that not to be the case. But, you can get hit in the forehead, or ear and sustain a concussion, and not bleed.

Also, the link you are referring to has to do with whether a wound breaks the skull and penetrates the brain. I think we are talking about two different things here! Most bloody head wounds do not involve brain penetration, yet the link you gave would describe those as "closed".

Well, the back of my head was slammed repeatedly into a tile floor and there were no lacerations. Plenty of hard, painful lumps, but no blood. So I know for a fact one can have their head slammed into a hard surface and not have lacerations. And IMO, my experience wasn't bizarre. Lucky*, yes. Bizarre, not so much.

* If one considers getting the $#%! beat out of them "lucky."

JMO, OMO, and :moo:

 

[SuziQ]

They don't have too. But saying they were 'ambushed' by the apology, I don't get that. He can apology till the cows come home, they don't have to accept it.

Oh I feel the Martin family was definitely ambushed. But I agree that they don't have to accept it and they didn't.

 

[gxm]

Do you have car insurance? Are you in constant fear of needing to use it? Do you have a fire extinguisher in your kitchen? Do you constantly fear setting things on fire? Do you have homeowner's insurance? Are you in fear of something happening to your house? Do you have smoke detectors? Do you live in constant fear of your house catching on fire? Do you wear a seatbelt? Are you always worried about getting into a wreck?

You can characterize it however you want. It's no more us being paranoid than anyone else doing any of the above.

I kinda see your point, except I don't think the fire is going to use the fire extinguisher against me.

 

[tehcloser]

Do you have car insurance? Are you in constant fear of needing to use it? Do you have a fire extinguisher in your kitchen? Do you constantly fear setting things on fire? Do you have homeowner's insurance? Are you in fear of something happening to your house? Do you have smoke detectors? Do you live in constant fear of your house catching on fire? Do you wear a seatbelt? Are you always worried about getting into a wreck?

You can characterize it however you want. It's no more us being paranoid than anyone else doing any of the above.

Yes I have car insurance, it's the law. No fire extinguisher in the kitchen. Homeowner's of course. Smoke detectors...eh, they need new batteries. Seatbelt- yes, there again, it's the law. I live in constant fear of nothing. Especially not of becoming a victim............

 

[Adrienne37]

I do think in cases of head pummelling on conrete that causes any skin openings would be apparant of alot more than 1 punctate wound and a 1 inch laceration!!..surrounding tissues would be scraped, abraided and swollen..and Im now going to drop subject..:banghead:

I would imagine someone's head who was pummeled into a sidewalk would look a little bit like hamburger meat to me.



~jmo~

 

[HiHater]

I don't think it matters how great GZ's injuries were, just that he had them. If I'm being attacked or threatened, I'm gonna shoot before the person gets the chance to injure me more. JMO

That mentality would land you in jail. The threat/fear has to be reasonable. A verbal threat doesn't trigger SYG protection on it's own, IIRC. No link, so I'll say

JMO MOO IMO

 

[Kimberlyd125]

No fire extinguisher or smoke detectors???


I'd never be without those.
That's a death wish.

JMO

 

[LolaMoon08]

I don't think it matters how great GZ's injuries were, just that he had them. If I'm being attacked or threatened, I'm gonna shoot before the person gets the chance to injure me more. JMO

You don't think Trayvon had a right to defend himself against a guy who has a gun? A guy that had been following him? A guy who never identified himself? Trayvon was supposed to know this wasn't a Jeffrey Dahmer wannabe??

I'm actually sad that the injuries appear so minor. Doesn't look like Trayvon had a fighting chance against George's strength or his gun.

We also don't know what injuries Trayvon had.

MOO

 

[annalia]

I don't think it matters how great GZ's injuries were, just that he had them. If I'm being attacked or threatened, I'm gonna shoot before the person gets the chance to injure me more. JMO

It matters very much if one is claiming self defense or SYG.

Would the boy who is now dead have had the same right to defend himself?
The kid that didn't have a weapon and would have only had his hands?

JMHO

 

[tehcloser]

No fire extinguisher?


I'd never be without that.

JMO

I like living on the wild side....... :floorlaugh:

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I like living on the wild side....... :floorlaugh:

How u gonna wake up if your house catches on fire without detectors?
That's a little scary.
You better get those batteries in.

 

[m00c0w]

Yes I have car insurance, it's the law. No fire extinguisher in the kitchen. Homeowner's of course. Smoke detectors...eh, they need new batteries. Seatbelt- yes, there again, it's the law. I live in constant fear of nothing. Especially not of becoming a victim............

Do you honestly think that anyone that routinely carries a gun (not a part of their job) is constantly worried about being victimized? It can't simply be a "better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it" mentality? I don't think anyone with a bulge in their coats is out to get me; I'm not looking for the next person that's going to try to victimize me. Most people aren't even aware that I carry because it's just second nature. It's not this compulsory decision out of sheer irrational fear. It's just the decision that if I am ever in a situation where I may need it, I'd rather have it. And that's incredibly realistic, as opposed to "Nothing will ever happen to me". I don't know why that concept is so hard to grasp.

 

[Desdemona]

It may be clear to you but it's not fact. But yes, we are all entitled to our opinions and assumptions.

Trayvon had no evidence of scrapes to his knuckles that would indicate he was hitting someone, according to the mortician. The wounds do not look like he was getting "whooped" to me. But then I work a lot of DV cases (and I fought a lot as a child), so I know what it looks like when someone gets "whooped".

IMO, it appears he was in a scuffle. I wish I could show you photos of some of my clients who got "whooped."

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Clients who presumably did not have a gun with which to defend themselves at the time? JMO

 

[Phoenixfla]

You don't think there are people in a Target right this minute who happen to have an CCP and are not carrying a gun? How would you know, not everyone has them out in the open?

I missed on how big these flashlights were. I think one was on a keychain, no?

First flashlight was on the keychain. According to the investigator the 2nd flashlight was aproximately 6".

 

[csziggy]

ITA. The timeline, IMO, has been messed up since day one. The only reason I can come up with is that the devices everyone is using to calculate the timeline with (various phone calls and cell phones) were not synchronized.

That's entirely possible and it's why the only times I am considering valid are the police department's dispatch logs. Even so, if we accept the timing of the 911 call that had the gunshot on it and the times of arrival of the officers as shown on the dispatcher log, there were only seconds between the gunshot and the arrival of Officer Smith.

The reported beginning of the call with the gunshot was at 7:16:11. The gunshot was 44 seconds into that call or at 7:16:55. According to the dispatcher log of GZ's call to SPD, Officer Smith arrived on scene at 7:17:11, though that may be when he drove up to the address and he still needed to go around the building to the location of the body. At most, that should have taken a minute and most likely less.

So how was there someone allowed on scene at three minutes after the shot to take this picture and interact with the suspect who was supposed to be in custody?

IMO, JMO, etc.

 

[cityslick]

I still want to know WTH took that picture and who GZ was calling. This had to have happened seconds after the shooting as police arrived really fast. I would also think that the blood would be watered down with the rain and wetness of the grass? It's just red like it had just started bleeding.

Something is just off?

MOO

There are now 3 (4 if you count the enhanced video still) that collaborate that he did in fact have wounds on his head and was bleeding.

1) police report
2) detective on the stand today
3) new photo

How many times can we dismiss it before we just say that maybe he was bleeding in the back of the head? I'm not talking severity, just the fact that he had wounds and was bleeding.

 

[tehcloser]

How u gonna wake up if your house catches on fire without detectors?
That's a little scary.
You better get those batteries in.

Yep, prolly' should. And I'll get around to it.....but i'm not fearful because they don't work right now. And heck around here, with our crazy work schedules...someone is always awake anyway. :banghead: