17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #29

[Sensei]

The picture was taken 3 minutes after the shooting - allegedly.

IMO

Which would mean that LE was already on the scene...and I guess Florida LE are much more tolerant of people busting out the digital cameras and taking pictures of their (at that time) active crime scene and stuff than ours are up here....IMO JMHO and stuff.

 

[suzihawk]

The SA can take that stance, murder 2 was a political decision and bowing to public pressure. The jury is going to hear the semantics and an audio tape of the defendant being told he didn't NEED to follow TM.

"We do not prosecute by public pressure or by petition. We prosecute based on the facts on any given case as well as the laws of the state of Florida," Corey said.


Read more: http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...n-trayvon-martin-shooting-death#ixzz1sdduQDFT

 

[SuziQ]

This is what the investigator said about evidence GZ followed Trayvon. It is not as some have represented today that the investigator said he had no evidence that GZ followed Trayvon. The State has GZ's calls, the newly revealed witness, previously known witness statements, and the fact that GZ and Trayvon ended up at the same location together. Omara is is merely pulling a defense trick in ignoring what evidence is there and attacking what isn't there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/20/cnr.02.html

O'MARA: -- or who they were or anything.

GILBREATH: They -- I cannot identify who they were, but it was at the same time frame this occurred.

O'MARA: Ok. Besides that any other evidence to support your conclusion that Mr. Zimmerman continued to follow?

GILBREATH: Other than his call and that witness?

O'MARA: Yes.

GILBREATH: And the fact that where it ended up. No.

O'MARA: Well you do have some other evidence don't you? We had Zimmerman's statement, don't you?

GILBREATH: We have Mr. Zimmerman's statements, we have the shell casings and we had Mr. Martin's body.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right and let's -- let's talk about Mr. Zimmerman's statements to you and to law enforcement that night.

More at above link

 

[SuziQ]

The SA can take that stance, murder 2 was a political decision and bowing to public pressure. The jury is going to hear the semantics and an audio tape of the defendant being told he didn't NEED to follow TM.

I'm guessing this is your opinion and not fact?

 

[Adrienne37]

This is what the investigator said about evidence GZ followed Trayvon. It is not as some have represented today that the investigator said he had no evidence that GZ followed Trayvon. The State has GZ's calls, the newly revealed witness, previously known witness statements, and the fact that GZ and Trayvon ended up at the same location together. Omara is making is merely pulling a defense trick in ignoring what evidence is there and attacking what isn't there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/20/cnr.02.html

O'MARA: -- or who they were or anything.

GILBREATH: They -- I cannot identify who they were, but it was at the same time frame this occurred.

O'MARA: Ok. Besides that any other evidence to support your conclusion that Mr. Zimmerman continued to follow?

GILBREATH: Other than his call and that witness?

O'MARA: Yes.

GILBREATH: And the fact that where it ended up. No.

O'MARA: Well you do have some other evidence don't you? We had Zimmerman's statement, don't you?

GILBREATH: We have Mr. Zimmerman's statements, we have the shell casings and we had Mr. Martin's body.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right and let's -- let's talk about Mr. Zimmerman's statements to you and to law enforcement that night.

Thank you SuziQ.



~jmo~

 

[Sensei]

Sort of like hamburger meat I'd imagine??


~jmo~

Exactly like hamburger meat, doesn't take much either, just a short distance 6 inches or so of scraping against the concrete or pavement takes skin off like it has been in contact with a belt sander and really rough sandpaper.

 

[Ambrosia]

Zimmerman was injured. But it was HIS actions that led to those injuries and a dead teen. At one point he may have lost sight of Martin that night. If he thought Martin was headed towards the back entrance, why did he not drive to the rear to cut him off? And as far as being ambushed on his way back to his truck? If anyone has some good quality head phones, please listen to the times-stamped zimmerman 911 tape below. There is a point at the end which I think might reveal that Zimmerman did in fact have an eye on his subject while he was on the phone to the dispatcher and just prior to the altercation. He was watching him. As such he could not have been taken by surprise. Zimmerman's position - He would want good cover (thinking Martin could be armed). Zimmerman's position - (wanting to cut off Martin's escape). He could have waited for the police, instead he chose confrontation. My number … you’ve got it?

911 dispatcher:

Yeah, I&#8217;ve got it. <mod snip>?

Zimmerman:

[a pause before answer] "Yeah, you got it." 7:13:32 [At this point I think he has Martin in view. And is very close. Very sure of himself, having gotten out of his truck and walked to a cut-through - knowing he is hidden from Martin, who at this time is talking on the phone with his girl perhaps while looking at Zimmerman's truck thinking Zimmerman was still sitting in it. Sounding confident with himself, With himself Here is the change in voice as if concentrating and sounding confident and not fearful at all. Peeking head around corner and strain to hear what Martin was saying, knowing Martin doesn't have a clue that he is so close, watching, and above all - has him cut off from any escape.
For those with headphones. 911 dispatcher:

OK, no problem. I&#8217;ll let them know to call you when they&#8217;re in the area.

"when they&#8217;re in the area." 7:13:36 Listen for a different voice faintly in the background. Try and isolate this from that of the dispatcher talking over it. What two words can be heard from that voice? Someone with better equipment could tell. I think this was Martin. And I hear the phrase: "He's watching" [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BI03-MRKnI&feature=relmfu"]George Zimmerman Police Call w. Time Stamps and Notes - YouTube[/ame]

 

[impatientredhead]

"We do not prosecute by public pressure or by petition. We prosecute based on the facts on any given case as well as the laws of the state of Florida," Corey said.


Read more: http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...n-trayvon-martin-shooting-death#ixzz1sdduQDFT

I'll take things people who have to be elected to keep their jobs say for 500:moo:

 

[New1]

Just because TM was only 17 and GZ was 28 does not make it impossible for TM to have been slamming GZ's brains out.

Years ago, a 16 year old neighbor of mine beat another neighbor to death. The neighbor that was beaten to death was 28. When this TM story first broke, the way the media portrayed it, I was under the impression that TM was just a child. Then I found out this *child* was over 6 feet tall and an athlete, not the little kid they showed us in the first picture.

We probably will never have any way of knowing who started the scuffle, but I believe after the scuffle started one or the other of them was going to die that night.

 

[m00c0w]

"We do not prosecute by public pressure or by petition. We prosecute based on the facts on any given case as well as the laws of the state of Florida," Corey said.


Read more: http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...n-trayvon-martin-shooting-death#ixzz1sdduQDFT

Realistically, would you expect them to come out and say, "We're going to arrest him because of the frenzy surrounding the case and public pressure"?

I'm not really sure her saying that would mean anything if it really was a political move.

 

[SuziQ]

This cracks me up....The state has a laundry list of evidence that shows GZ followed TM and Mom basically says...but you got nothing else right? lol.

:floorlaugh:

 

[HiHater]

No, I don't think that. If you think your head is bleeding, naturally you are going to put your hand back there and feel to see if you feel liquid coming out of your head.

So then I expect his hands would be bagged and swabbed for DNA. Police had no way of knowing whose blood was on his hands. JMO

 

[Sensei]

Realistically, would you expect them to come out and say, "We're going to arrest him because of the frenzy surrounding the case and public pressure"?

I'm not really sure her saying that would mean anything if it really was a political move.

If I am understanding the way the laws are written correctly, she has a perfectly valid case for manslaughter, but what elevates it from manslaughter to Murder 2 is the comments about the A@#$%# that always get away and the F*(in Punks comments....and George Zimmerman gave her those on a silver platter. They show up front and without a doubt that GZ had a preconceived notion that Trayvon was a Punk and so forth before he ever got out of his truck...demonstrating that he followed him with ill will. IMO JMHO and stuff.

 

[HiHater]

Quite true, and also this... another reason the bloody head doesn't ring true ....

If your head is being rammed on the walkway more than once, I'd expect to see some SMEARED PATCHES of blood underneath the fresh trickles.

Then, if you had to "scooch" your head over into the grass, the grass would have rubbed the blood into a thin, smear patch as well... Over top of this smearing you would, again, see fresh streams trickling down.

This photo seems to show no evidence of smearing; it doesn't look like the head has been dragged over any grass.

Just like when you spill juice or soda and try to wipe it up, the towel (or concrete or grass) spreads it and smears it around.

This blood resembles organized chaos. AKA fakely applied in a way that doesn't match the actions explained by GZ.

I'm wondering where is the debris/dirt/grass. Why does that blood look so clean, considering it came from the dirtiest place on earth---the ground. JMO

 

[HiHater]

I think it looks like the wound has already been cleaned and then bled again.

That would make me ask: cleaned by who and with what 3 minutes after the shooting took place?

 

[Sensei]

So then I expect his hands would be bagged and swabbed for DNA. Police had no way of knowing whose blood was on his hands. JMO

Well since they are letting civilians take photos of their suspect at an active crime scene, and stuff, maybe they just let the first responders wash his hands off too....since that bloody mess of a photo shows on Police video as basically nothing and there was no other blood seen on him, nor bandage, nor gauze to stop any bleeding, nor anything else to show that he had been treated for anything.

 

[New1]

Using your post as a jumping point.... everyone seems to be hanging a lot of this case on following TM in defiance of a police order. The 911 operator is not only not a police officer, what they actually said is "we don't need you to do that."

If they had the authority to give a citizen a legally binding order it wasn't even worded as one.

I have done many things/chores/favors for someone that said they didn't NEED me to do it.

Had TM gotten the gun away from GZ and shot GZ it would be relevant, say GZs family tried to sue someone, GZ would have been on notice that he his actions were not requested, not on behalf of the police department, yada yada

I think way too much weight is being given to the GZ didn't follow an order from the police. The police weren't there yet and the dispatcher didn't TELL him not to do anything. Just that it wasn't needed.

And how do we know GZ DIDN'T stop following him at that point? He said, "Okay". The sounds I heard that sounded like GZ was running came BEFORE he said "Okay." I didn't hear any more sounds of running after that. Maybe there are some, but the media stops playing the 911 tape after that.

 

[Reader]

BBM

Under what rule of evidence?

IANAL....that is IMO....there is no known chain of possession...who took the pic, when, was it turned over to police and when, who had it from the time it was taken, was it altered in any way since it was taken, where has it been and who had it all this time???

 

[Reader]

Well since they are letting civilians take photos of their suspect at an active crime scene, and stuff, maybe they just let the first responders wash his hands off too....since that bloody mess of a photo shows on Police video as basically nothing and there was no other blood seen on him, nor bandage, nor gauze to stop any bleeding, nor anything else to show that he had been treated for anything.

And for all that bloody injury the EMTs cleared and released him in the back of the police car, not even in an ambulance!

 

[uvamerica]

I cannot understand how that pic of GZ's head can be real. The more I look at it the less I believe it is real. If GZ was on the ground getting his head repeatedly smashed in to the cement, where are the blood smears ? there would be blood transfer to the cement or even the grass, the blood on his head is undisturbed. I would think that there would've been abrasions or scrapes too. Something is not right here JMO :maddening: