17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #31

[Sensei]

But could he sue the state if something happens to him while out on bail because they didn't protect him enough? I would hope not, but I could see something like that happening. And I would think the state would have a vested interest in getting him to trial alive. Still, he did choose to get out on bond, so protection should be up to him. I just don't know the legal stuff about all of this.

I am not sure either but it certainly rankles. He is accused of a crime, unlike a good portion of the State of Florida who are NOT accused of a crime, and I am sure that some of them can point to what they consider to be a credible threat to them but they will not get round the clock police protection, they will get police services if they call the police.

So because he is charged with a criminal act which has outraged and angered a LOT of people he will be given round the clock police protection??? How does that seem fair to all of those who have NOT been charged with a criminal act, but still may need protection and won't get it unless they call?

Once again IMO JMHO and stuff.

 

[Concerned Papa]

What would be a better alternative? I contend there is no good way to tell parents that their son is dead. I guess they could ask them to go down to the police station, or they could bring them to the morgue. I guess I just don't understand what they could have done differently? There is just no good way.

I agree with what you're saying that there's no good way, but if it's true that a detective showed Tracy Martin a crime scene photo of his lifeless son laying on the ground with his eyes rolled back in his head?

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[jjenny]

I agree with what you're saying that there's no good way, but if it's true that a detective showed Tracy Martin a crime scene photo of his lifeless son laying on the ground with his eyes rolled back in his head?

Damn his sorry azz to hell forevermore as far as I'm concerned.

How else are they supposed to get someone to ID a body? You think going to the morgue to see the actual body is a better option?

 

[CathyinTexas]

I never claimed anyone ambushed anyone. I never said TM ambushed GZ.

My personal belief, based on the evidence, is that TM was getting angry that GZ was watching him, and decided to confront GZ after nearly reaching his home. I further believe that the reported lack of injury to TM indicates that TM may have been the agressor in the physical confrontation. IMO

He had a right to be angry, but I doubt that was the emotion he was feeling at that time. Probably more like leery, scared, concerned. We know that his last feelings were terror based on the screams we heard. GZ on the other hand was one angry dude who was not going to let another a..hole get away. The more I hear from GZ through his "people" or himself on the stand, the more I believe he is void of a conscience and has no regard for human life. mo

 

[mercuriod]

As of 2009. The party was at the end of 2011.

As of 2009, he was working towards an Associate in Arts degree.

He has been WORKING TOWARDS an Associate in Arts degree SINCE 2009, if he had received his Associate's degree he would not need to still be WORKING TOWARDS it when on March 22, 2012 the college released this statement "Seminole State has taken the unusual but necessary step this week to withdraw Mr. Zimmerman from enrollment"

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...munity-seminole-state-college-insurance-agent

 

[Verboten]

That's where I'm :waitasec:, he had already stepped aside temporarily, that was accepted, so why would he up and resign today, then they reject his resignation?

I don't know why they would reject resignation, but the resignation itself may have something to do with the investigation Mayor Triplett had ordered from outside the Dept. to find out how Corey & Dept. came to such different conclusions with the same evidence.

 

[Donjeta]

I think getting some warning and time to brace yourself for bad news might help at the morgue, compared to being blindsided with a crime scene photo.

 

[Concerned Papa]

How else are they supposed to get someone to ID a body? You think going to the morgue to see the actual body is a better option?

I think having the basic human compassion to at least close the boy's lifeless eyes out of the most fundamental of respect for the human spirit would have been an appropriate start.

 

[Emeralgem]

OFFS, what the hell does him having a family with small children have to do with whether or not he does his job correctly. There are a lot of men with families with small children who are jobless right now! Family doesn't have doodley squat to do with performance. :maddening:

It doesn't..Pure baloney... IMHO her remarks are those of a person who has an extremely dysfunctional mindset..... Par for the course when it comes to protecting those in the Good Ole Boy network..JMHO ..

 

[cityslick]

The state attorneys would not have brought these charges if there was THAT much doubt in what occurred. Trayvon was walking home, or trying to. At some point he ran, because he was being followed and his gf told him to run. Why? Because Trayvon had just told her that some guy was following him and he looked like he wanted to do something to him. Probably non verbal communication that we do. Glaring, anger? Something tipped Trayvon off to GZ's intentions. So she said RUN! So he did but then slowed down and he said I am going to walk fast. Why? Well, someone running might look suspicious, and he wasn't doing anything wrong. Also, he was a young male who didn't want to look like a scared kid, maybe. Either way, he was on a straight path home and would have arrived there safely if not for the angry, gun toting killer GZ. jmo

He wasn't on a straight path according to simple math on how long it takes a person to get where he was headed in the times we're talking about.

 

[mercuriod]

Maybe it's different here.
Many of our teachers, for example, graduate from CC and they are highly qualified.

It's just cheaper.

Must be very different where ever you are, and must not be in the United States either. A certified teacher in the United States must at the very least have a bachelor's degree.

 

[ThoughtFox]

OFFS, what the hell does him having a family with small children have to do with whether or not he does his job correctly. There are a lot of men with families with small children who are jobless right now! Family doesn't have doodley squat to do with performance. :maddening:

I agree - frankly I'm shocked that they blocked his resignation. :maddening:

But now I think we know why he hasn't resigned before now. He has protectors in high places, and they are stupid enough to think they can still convince people he is some kind of hero. How's that working for them so far? Good luck convincing the world. They had a chance today to save some of Sanford's reputation, but they messed it up again. JMOO

About Chief Bill Lee:

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Sa...s-resignation/-/1637132/11643760/-/gm7yuvz/-/

Two of the commissioners that voted against the agreement, Commissioner Patty Mahany and Commissioner Randy Jones, spoke highly of Lee in a heated debate.

Mahany said she wouldn't accept the agreement because it was "hastily put together" and said she wasn't notified of the special meeting until 11:30 a.m. Monday. Mahany said she was devastated by the treatment of Lee, calling him one of "the finest police officers" in the community.

"This is a man who is a medal of valor winner," Mahany said. "I am physically sick over these proceedings and treatment of Chief Lee. What did the chief do wrong?"

Mahany said that both Lee and other commissioners are also enduring allegations of being racists.

"He’s paying for the sins of past police chiefs," Mahany said. "We are a great city with a great police department. We can't do this to a 52-year-old man with 30 years law enforcement experience with a family with little children. We can't do it."

 

[What'sThatClue]

A press conference from earlier in the case before he stepped aside?

That's where I'm :waitasec:, he had already stepped aside temporarily, that was accepted, so why would he up and resign today, then they reject his resignation?

I know you don't have the answers, lol.

JMHO

Money. From what I heard during the meeting (near the end) it would cost more to pay his severance and pay an acting chief while they search for a permanent chief than to keep him. I mean, this was a reason in addition to the commissioners who wanted to keep him for other reasons. JMO, wait for the meeting minutes...or video. So MOO

 

[katydid23]

His father also testified at the hearing that he was in year three. Don't they give out associates after 2 years?

It took my son almost 3 years to get his associates because he was working full time. Also it can be really hard to get the precise classes that you need when you are at the end. He is graduating from University now, and it took him less time to finish his junior and senior year than it did hid frosh/soph for some reason.

 

[HiHater]

How else are they supposed to get someone to ID a body? You think going to the morgue to see the actual body is a better option?

There's no easy way to notify, that's true...but there are more sensitive ways to do it than showing a picture of the child like that...

 

[Kimberlyd125]

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I'm thinking it didn't present too much of a problem to them.. If it had they would not have handled it as they did...JMHO

I think that's a very unfair thing to say.
I'm sure it was hard on them. They are human.

We don't know why they did what they did.

 

[HiHater]

Must be very different where ever you are, and must not be in the United States either. A certified teacher in the United States must at the very least have a bachelor's degree.

No child left behind...and all that jazz

 

[Cher352]

Well, on the flip side, you have people claiming that the police had wrapped up the scene by the time they got home.

Got me thinking so I went back and looked for the first news stories. Found this one of the late night newscast. Time on the video segment is 10:30pm and the reporter states she is live at the scene. As she talks you can see the police tape still up and officers still searching around the ground with flashlights. The video report then goes on to show video clips from earlier in the night.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/022612-Deadly-shooting-in-Sanford

I don't go to Fox very often but I do notice they have a very large library of video from this case that is all put in order.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/news/trayvon_martin

 

[Zak]

Can you please provide a link that shows that the SPD did not want to take her statement? I think I heard that she claims to have called the SPD, which remains to be substantiated, but I have not seen anything where the SPD said "we dont want to take her statement".

It was my understanding the the GF was not talking to the SPD or cooperating with them. Pam Bondi ,the Florida AG was on the Piers Morgan show on 3/27/12. This is what I found:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1203/27/pmt.01.html

MORGAN: Yes, I mean, look, I am encouraged by what you're saying. It's good that a senior lawmaker in Florida is saying all this, but in the end, you know, I remain like many people absolutely bemused that somebody can shoot somebody in cold blood, an unarmed young teenager.

And so, I mean, I just think with your legal training and your legal background on what appears to be a very empathetic attitude towards this case, it might be quite powerful for the attorney general of Florida to say publicly, you know what? This guy should be arrested. He should be interviewed under caution and he should, if necessary, face charges. But he should be at stage one of the legal process of being under arrest.

BONDI: Well, what we've done is appoint a special prosecutor. And that's what she's doing. Conducting a thorough investigation because we need to get Trayvon's girlfriend to cooperate which I don't know if was happening previously. And they may have had good reason for that. But she's cooperating now. And again, a thorough investigation is being done to ensure that justice is sought for that family.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Bail is his RIGHT, but it is also his CHOICE, he would be perfectly safe in JAIL. If I lived in Florida, I would be very upset that I would have to fork over money to protect him because he made the choice to get out of jail where he is perfectly safe and be free on bail, and then expect the taxpayers to provide round the clock security for him.

It is a no win situation for the taxpayers. If he chooses to exercise the right to be out on bail then he should not be provided round the clock security,

Jail, SAFE

Bail, you are on your own except for a police response if you call them.

IMO JMHO and stuff.

:waitasec:

I didn't say anything about his protection. We were talking about the social media threats and I said that's why he needed the secret location. It doesn't cost a penny to not make his whereabouts public.