17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #35

[jjenny]

Made bigger by me. I don't think he ever went outside either. He would have said, "I'm not going BACK outside" or he would have given more detail pertaining to when he was outside. (which he wasn't)

Fine. He pocked his head outside then.

 

[LolaMoon08]

It will be interesting to see "John's" statement to the SA and how much was actually told to HIM by the SPD (the night of the shooting) and how that played into his statement to the media. For all we know, John was simply telling the media what was told to him by the SPD? You know, like how the SPD told two witnesses that it was GZ screaming? That the one who was screaming is still alive... if it makes them feel better?

I'm sure he seen two people wrestling and I am sure he heard screaming, but did he actually get a good enough look or was he just telling the media what he believed to be true based on what SPD told him?

MOO

 

[vlpate]

BBM

Perfect indeed!

BTW, a minor point would be that since the 911 call actually began at 7:09:34 pm, and 911 recordings and transcripts show GZ getting out of his vehicle and saying "he's running" [2:08] later, the actual clock time for the moment GZ said TM started running would be 18 seconds earlier than 7:12 pm at 7:11:42 pm.

Still, like you, I wonder how GZ got the country's number four ranked cellular service provider to show this phone log entry for one of it's 34,000,000 subscribers? :waitasec:

Since most cell companies round up, the call between TM & g/f could have been sometime before exactly 7:12.

BEM: Not following? The phone bill pictured has nothing to do with GZ.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Fine. He pocked his head outside then.

I personally think he stepped out onto his patio (outside) to get a look. Realized it was a major scuffle and ran back in, locking his door.

JMO

 

[jjenny]

It will be interesting to see "John's" statement to the SA and how much was actually told to HIM by the SPD (the night of the shooting) and how that played into his statement to the media. For all we know, John was simply telling the media what was told to him by the SPD? You know, like how the SPD told two witnesses that it was GZ screaming? That the one who was screaming is still alive... if it makes them feel better?

I'm sure he seen two people wrestling and I am sure he heard screaming, but did he actually get a good enough look or was he just telling the media what he believed to be true based on what SPD told him?

MOO

He correctly knew the race of the guy who was killed (unlike some 911 witnesses).

 

[Adrienne37]

Baez isn't very smart and flies by the seat of his pants. He got lucky.

O'Mara walks a very fine line with ethics. For example, his accidentally blurting out the witness's name and then ever so sincerely apologizing. And how he just conveniently didn't happen to know about those PayPal accounts. He's slick but he keeps tripping himself up. Like how the PayPal funds were first FedEx'd and then they were transferred instantaneously. Which was it? Keep talking, O'Mara.

Yes, I think in that respect he's 'worse' than Baez.

JMO

Not to mention he didn't set up a Facebook page for her nor did he put her on the witness stand to "address the judge" and subsequently proceed to shove what she had to say down the throats of the people who were listening.


~jmo~

 

[badme102]

Fine. He pocked his head outside then.

We don't know that either. I'm not trying to be picky, but these little details will mean a ton in court. He could have been sitting at a chair by a window and heard something, we just don't know.

 

[jjenny]

I personally think he stepped out onto his patio (outside) to get a look. Realized it was a major scuffle and ran back in, locking his door.

JMO

I think the same thing but for the purpose of this discussion it really doesn't make a difference whether the whole of him was outside of he pocked his head outside.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I think the same thing but for the purpose of this discussion it really doesn't make a difference whether the whole of him was outside of he pocked his head outside.

I agree.

 

[LolaMoon08]

He correctly knew the race of the guy who was killed (unlike some 911 witnesses).

That was after the shot was fired. That has nothing to do with what he seen before... as he didn't tell 911 anything like what he told the media which is why I wonder if this information was provided to him by the SPD (after the shooting/911 calls) and he took it as fact (why would they lie) and used that information during his media interview?

 

[vlpate]

Baez isn't very smart and flies by the seat of his pants. He got lucky.

O'Mara walks a very fine line with ethics. For example, his accidentally blurting out the witness's name and then ever so sincerely apologizing. And how he just conveniently didn't happen to know about those PayPal accounts. He's slick but he keeps tripping himself up. Like how the PayPal funds were first FedEx'd and then they were transferred instantaneously. Which was it? Keep talking, O'Mara.

Yes, I think in that respect he's 'worse' than Baez.

JMO

The checks, money orders, etc., were fed-exed, the paypal account has to be transferred.

JMO

 

[jjenny]

That was after the shot was fired. That has nothing to do with what he seen before... as he didn't tell 911 anything like what he told the media which is why I wonder if this information was provided to him by the SPD (after the shooting/911 calls) and he took it as fact (why would they lie) and used that information during his media interview?

The one who I think is Mary C didn't tell 911 anything about being outside right after the shot either. Didn't say anything about "little boy" crying, or anyone crying, for that matter.
Didn't appear to know race of the victim when directly asked. Didn't say anything about Zimmerman standing/kneeling on top of Trayvon either.

 

[suzihawk]

The checks, money orders, etc., were fed-exed, the paypal account has to be transferred.

JMO

Right.

 

[vlpate]

That was after the shot was fired. That has nothing to do with what he seen before... as he didn't tell 911 anything like what he told the media which is why I wonder if this information was provided to him by the SPD (after the shooting/911 calls) and he took it as fact (why would they lie) and used that information during his media interview?

Parts of his call were redacted, and not just the part where he gives an address. We don't know what he said during the redacted seconds.

 

[LolaMoon08]

The one who I think is Mary C didn't tell 911 anything about being outside right after the shot either. Didn't say anything about "little boy" crying, or anyone crying, for that matter.
Didn't know race of the victim when directly asked.

The only thing of any importance Mary offers, IMO, is SPD "correcting" her statement for her and the fact that she tried to get into contact with them and they wouldn't call her back.

Another witness has said that SPD told her not to worry because the person screaming was still alive.

There is so much wrong about these things happening. It was like trying to get witnesses to agree to what they wanted to have happened that night... instead of allowing the witnesses to just give their statements, they gave them information... information that they had no right to even give to witnesses. It was like they wanted these witnesses to be able to say... it was GZ screaming... when these investigators didn't know who was screaming.

So it is easy to believe that John may also be one of the people SPD told this information too... only for John to use this information during a media interview because he thought it was fact.

We'll have to wait and see what his statement to the SA says in order to find out exactly what John did see.

MOO

 

[LolaMoon08]

Parts of his call were redacted, and not just the part where he gives an address. We don't know what he said during the redacted seconds.

Why was part of his call redacted? Were any of the other calls redacted? Hmmmm....

MOO

 

[Just K]

The only thing of any importance Mary offers, IMO, is SPD "correcting" her statement for her and the fact that she tried to get into contact with them and they wouldn't call her back.

Another witness has said that SPD told her not to worry because the person screaming was still alive.

There is so much wrong about these things happening. It was like trying to get witnesses to agree to what they wanted to have happened that night... instead of allowing the witnesses to just give their statements, they gave them information... information that they had no right to even give to witnesses. It was like they wanted these witnesses to be able to say... it was GZ screaming... when these investigators didn't know who was screaming.

So it is easy to believe that John may also be one of the people SPD told this information too... only for John to use this information during a media interview because he thought it was fact.

We'll have to wait and see what his statement to the SA says in order to find out exactly what John did see.

MOO

This happens when the dispatcher is trying to calm the teacher... he said the person might not have expired....something to that effect.

 

[Just K]

Why was part of his call redacted? Were any of the other calls redacted? Hmmmm....

MOO

there are dead spots on all of them for names, phone numbers and addresses.

 

[katydid23]

Baez isn't very smart and flies by the seat of his pants. He got lucky.

O'Mara walks a very fine line with ethics. For example, his accidentally blurting out the witness's name and then ever so sincerely apologizing. And how he just conveniently didn't happen to know about those PayPal accounts. He's slick but he keeps tripping himself up. Like how the PayPal funds were first FedEx'd and then they were transferred instantaneously. Which was it? Keep talking, O'Mara.

Yes, I think in that respect he's 'worse' than Baez.

JMO

I don't think the two versions, one being 'fed exed' and 'funds being transferred' mean that he is lying. Both could easily be true.

And how was he supposed to know about the 200 grand in that PayPal account? You think he knew that and willfully lied to the courts, in a high profile case like this? I am sorry, but i don't think he is going to put his reputation or his license on the line for GZ. JMO

 

[i.b.nora]

Neighbor #1: Uh, no. A guy yelling “help.” Oh, my God! Um, there’s a guy with a flashlight in the backyard now. I think there’s flashlights, and there’s a guy – I don’t know if that’s a cop.

911 Dispatcher: OK, we’ve had several calls in. Are you sure you heard voices? Was there just one …

Neighbor #1: There’s two guys. There’s two guys in the backyard with flashlights um, and there’s a black guy down and it looks like he’s been shot and he’s dead. He’s laying and there’s multiple people calling. [5:50]


He didn't identify anyone as black until one or both of the people with flashlights probably aimed their lights at the body, seems to me.

I just have a funny feeling that he did alot of embellishing after the fact. But, its just a feeling and just my opinion at the moment.