17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #35

[badme102]

"John locked his patio door and ran upstairs." This tells me he was either looking out his patio door, or he was on his patio during the time the altercation was going on. In order for John to tell them to "stop", he'd have to have been partially, at least, outside. IMO

Fox 35 News

Why is that? I can talk to people through an open window (through a screen). He didn't have to be outside at all.
I'm also not sure if I believe he told anyone to stop. I'm not sure I believe much of anything he says the next day--to reporters. (AFTER speaking with LE)

 

[JBean]

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[elementary]

I moved it to Paypal thread.

 

[CathyinTexas]

It's in that interview he gave to the press. He was outside, saw two men fighting, a man in red sweater on the bottom was screaming "help." John told them to stop (I presume stop screaming?) went inside, called 911. While inside he could still could see through his window.

I thought he said he opened his window and looked out and then ran to lock his door? It is confusing. jmo

 

[i.b.nora]

BBM

He was standing inside his home and with the patio door opened looking through the screen yelling at them. Simple most logical thing.

And, if he had the light on in the room in which he was standing at the patio door, it is unlikely that he would actually be able to see much of anything. IMO.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

And, if he had the light on in the room in which he was standing at the patio door, it is unlikely that he would actually be able to see much of anything. IMO.

and even if he didn't have that light on he came from a room with a light and his eyes would not be adjusted to the dark.

 

[JBean]

I moved it to Paypal thread.

Thank you elementary.

 

[JBean]

Can we get a "Light a Candle" thread for Trayvon?

sure go ahead and start one.

 

[annalia]

Why is that? I can talk to people through an open window (through a screen). He didn't have to be outside at all.
I'm also not sure if I believe he told anyone to stop. I'm not sure I believe much of anything he says the next day--to reporters. (AFTER speaking with LE)

Actually, him saying stop might be making more sense now. It didn't make sense when it was being said that he was right there up close and could see GZ on the bottom calling out for help. It makes more sense if he was at his house, could tell there was a scuffle going on, it would be him yelling out to stop in the general direction of the scuffle, not aimed at a particular person, because he couldn't really make out for certain who was who in the scuffle.

JMHO

 

[Concerned Papa]

I wish I could understand all this concern about "John" and what he said or didn't say.

-It's as if we don't even have a police report that says the body was lying in the grass between 1231 Twin Trees Lane and 2821 Retreat View Circle.

-It's as if the SFD EMT dispatch recording saying repeatedly that the body is lying in the grass in the backyard of 2831 Retreat View Circle doesn't mean anything.

-It's as if ZIMMERMAN'S OWN ATTORNEY didn't volunteer the information that TM's body was 70 yards away from his own back door:

GILBREATH: Because the location he was found in….is probably….and I don’t have the exact measurements….it’s in the path to the back door of the house where he was staying.

O’MARA: I think the evidence suggested it was 70 yards away, right?

http://www.wral.com/news/video/11004815/#/vid11004815

If you're going to believe some vague dude named John's version of events and body location instead of a police report, dispatch recording, and a hearing transcript/video why are you wanting a doc dump? IMO, if "John" saw red, black, green, or purple he needed night vision goggles and a telescope to see as far away from his place as the above says the body was.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I started a "Light a Candle" thread for Trayvon. Just waiting for it to get approved.

 

[luvmygarden]

Trayvon looked like any other teenager. It is horrible that some paranoid freak thought he didn't belong in this world.

It is being claimed by those who know GZ that ""he only wanted to keep his neighborhood safe". I find it ironic that he is the ONE person who took the safety from the neighborhood. A crime was not being commited but ultimately he was part of causing a crime to occur. A death by gunshot in my opinion is such a sad crime. How many guns in the fight? 1. How many people dead 1. I pray that version of safe never comes to my neighborhood or anyone elses.
I am willing to wait to see evidence but in my heart I know One person is responsible. I hope that person has learned a big lesson in his life. It has taken a turn around, now GZ is the suspicious one.
Wonder how that makes him feel everyday of his life !!!!
When they say guns don't kill people, people kill people this situation proves that to be soooooooo TRUE.

 

[Adrienne37]

I wish I could understand all this concern about "John" and what he said or didn't say.

-It's as if we don't even have a police report that says the body was lying in the grass between 1231 Twin Trees Lane and 2821 Retreat View Circle.

-It's as if the SFD EMT dispatch recording saying repeatedly that the body is lying in the grass in the backyard of 2831 Retreat View Circle doesn't mean anything.

-It's as if ZIMMERMAN'S OWN ATTORNEY didn't volunteer the information that TM's body was 70 yards away from his own back door:



If you're going to believe some vague dude named John's version of events and body location instead of a police report, dispatch recording, and a hearing transcript/video why are you wanting a doc dump? IMO, if "John" saw red, black, green, or purple he needed night vision goggles and a telescope to see as far away from his place as the above says the body was.

I guess you know how to put an end to speculation CP...LOL. Your post is right on as always!! Thanks again for everything you do and contribute.


~jmo~

 

[CathyinTexas]

O.M.G. - I told you guys that O'Mara was far worse than Baez ever thought about being. I knew this the moment he put Zimmerman on the stand to spew his garbage. The Facebook is sickening and I hope the prosecution goes after this with both barrels loaded. Sick, sick, sick.


~jmo~

I have been suspicious of him since he insisted the judge recuse herself and he went judge shopping. He is from the area, well known to the judges and vica versa. He must have known who he would end up with, mo. I am concerned that he is quite sure this judge will be favorable to him. jmo

 

[elementary]

I wish I could understand all this concern about "John" and what he said or didn't say.

-It's as if we don't even have a police report that says the body was lying in the grass between 1231 Twin Trees Lane and 2821 Retreat View Circle.

-It's as if the SFD EMT dispatch recording saying repeatedly that the body is lying in the grass in the backyard of 2831 Retreat View Circle doesn't mean anything.

-It's as if ZIMMERMAN'S OWN ATTORNEY didn't volunteer the information that TM's body was 70 yards away from his own back door:



If you're going to believe some vague dude named John's version of events and body location instead of a police report, dispatch recording, and a hearing transcript/video why are you wanting a doc dump? IMO, if "John" saw red, black, green, or purple he needed night vision goggles and a telescope to see as far away from his place as the above says the body was.

Square peg meet round hole. I haven't been following this, but my oh my, it's amazing how convoluted and distracting things can become. Thanks for setting things straight again. I'm glad I won't be on the jury.

 

[CathyinTexas]

Standing inside a lighted home looking out in the dark and John sees the color of Zimmerman's sweater when the only red of it that was probably exposed was the elbow area..............I am not buying it. IMO

We heard from the minor child's Mom she was disturbed that they influenced her son's testimony to them. She more or less said they brought up the red and she believed it was wrong of them to do that. Then two other witnesses were upset they also were told what to think and say, and called the police station repeatedly to make sure their own version was in their statement, not that of the police. Very telling, imo.

 

[rossva]

Mathematics.

The size of his belt is not important, but I'm really curious how you came to the conclusion that it is 4 sizes too big?

 

[csziggy]

Why was part of his call redacted? Were any of the other calls redacted? Hmmmm....

MOO

I just listened and I think the redacted parts are clarifying the address. At one point in between redacted portions, the dispatcher asks if it is one word or two. If she was entering "Retreatview" or TwinTrees" (not sure which is John's street, CP has it as Twin Trees) it may not come up on her system.

ALL the 911 calls have parts redacted to remove identifying things like addresses and directions. I'm surprised at how many have first names included, to be honest.

These are the recordings I downloaded from the Sanford site which were removed at AC's request. I'm not sure where they can be found right now.

IMO, JMO, etc.

 

[LambChop]

I'm not sure why John's testimony is viewed as important. I don't think the inspector disagrees with GZ being on the bottom. I believe he disagreed with GZ's version of TM banging his head numerous times on the cement when the injuries do not indicate that happened and how GZ claimed as soon as he was able to move his head away from the sidewalk he shot TM. IMO GZ added he shot TM right afterwards because once he "moved his head" LE might no longer viewed it as a life threatening event. But we all know TM's feet were near the sidewalk and his head was 6 foot away from that very same sidewalk. Where the body ended up is nowhere near where GZ claims TM was banging his head onto the cement.

Regardless of who was on the bottom it still does not tell us who started the fight. I find it very interesting that TM was able to get this ex-bouncer on the ground unless GZ slipped in the wet grass and that could very well explain why TM might have landed on top of him.

Not buying the "I was reaching for my phone and headed back to my truck" version of GZ's story either. This is a man he suspected might have a weapon and GZ was going to turn his back on him. Right. That's not going to fly. It's also possible GZ grabbed for the phone suddenly realizing TM was talking to someone and TM thought GZ was trying to steal his phone. We know it was disconnected after the GF heard a scuffling noise. There are a number of reasons why they would have been fighting. I just don't think TM started it. jmo

 

[i.b.nora]

I do care about the 911 caller, John. I am interested in his 911 call. In fact, I didn't realize until today that that was his call. I will be interested to read what he told the police that night. I don't think the body was located where concerned poppa thinks it was located. That's just me, that's my opinion, I have expressed it before, and if I change my opinion I let everyone know.

The maps are great, all the videos are great, but until I see an official map of where the body was located, I remain unconvinced. And, it is important because of the ear and eye witnesses (the 911 callers) and their relation to the location.