17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #9

[songline]

From everything I know and have seen... When you have your nose broken.... you also have eye swelling and blackeyes.. I saw these things when my Ex got in a fight and got his nose broke... I didn't see either on the video of GZ... :moo::moo:

NOP...I broke my friends nose by accident we went to the hospital immediately. She never had anything else just a broken nose.

 

[Nova]

Out of pure speculation, I understand that it may not be the culture to call the police. However, if she really thought her boyfriend got jumped, why didnt she call a family member, mom, dad, cousin that night? I would think she would be pacing by her phone if it just went suddenly dead after her description of the incident. Are you telling me that she did not call his mother or home number after that? I don't think she is telling the truth. Her phone and text records need to be pulled IMO. If she is not telling the truth, and TM was boasting he was going to deck the weird guy, and teach him a lesson, she wouldn't think much of it, and would have gone about her business that night, thinking all was ok. What did she do right afterward?

BBM: Wow, just wow! There are a couple of leaps there for which we have no evidence whatsoever:

1. That TM told her he was going to "deck the weird guy"; and

2. That the girlfriend would be less concerned for TM's safety if had said that.

 

[gitana1]

It seems like it's getting heated in here. And we are at page 66. Time for a new thread?

 

[pkz]

just heard on NBC NIghtly News that the GZ at the station tape was 40 mins. after the shooting, not 4 hrs. as previously reported

 

[nachomama]

NOP...I broke my friends nose by accident we went to the hospital immediately. She never had anything else just a broken nose.

Your friend was lucky I guess. Here is some info I found.. Like I said my EX had a broken nose and 2 huge blackeyes.. (He told everybody that i smacked him. I didn't but looking back.. perhaps I should have... )


Definition
By Mayo Clinic staff

A broken nose, also called a nasal fracture, is a break or crack in a bone in your nose — often the bone over the bridge of your nose.

Common causes of a broken nose include contact sports, physical fights, falls and motor vehicle accidents that result in facial trauma.

Signs and symptoms of a broken nose include pain, swelling and bruising around your nose and under your eyes. Your nose may look crooked, and you may have difficulty breathing.

Treatment for a broken nose may include procedures to realign your nose. Surgery usually isn't necessary for a broken nose.


also see: http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/broken-nose

 

[katydid23]

Were the alleged burglaries which were allegedly committed by black teens occurring only in the complex's households which included black individuals?

I don't know. I am just saying that my own 23 yr old son, who is half black, and is a security guard while he is working his way through school, is very afraid of young black teens wearing hoodies when he is working the night shift. He is not a racist, but he knows the attitude that many of the wannabe thugs have, and he is very wary of them. They have the reputation of being very quick to anger and of being armed.

 

[songline]

Does her not telling the entire world or having it on video or recorded makes it less likely to happen?

If she was telling anyone and everyone I suspect she'd be accused of trying to "cash in."

That was not the point. someone said that hopefully she told the truth because she signed papers that it would be surgery if she did not tell the truth.
NOBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT CASHING In…. this is pretty much what is wrong with the entire case to date. TWIST IT!!! If you followed what we were saying you would have replied differently.
MY REPLY to her signing papers….nobody can dispute her, unless she tells someone something different..
there is no proof of anything said on the call between TM and his GF no proof at all. other then the fact that there was a call.

 

[HiHater]

I didn't want to bring up this politically incorrect opinion because I knew what would happen. But we cannot ignore the elephant in the room. Teen violence among young blacks is much higher. Young Black males are more likely to be armed and to shoot at each other over beefs than white kids. It may label me as a racist, even though my two kids are mixed race.

But the activists should be dealing with this fact as well. Sure GZ was wrong. He should be arrested, and now. But should we completely ignore the fact that MOST of the killings of young black males is by other young black males?

Why are you bringing this up here? It's kind of irrelevant. The person who killed the young black teen is a grown white/hispanic man?

What does any of what you're talking about have to do with TRAYVON? Please let me know, because I don't see it...

 

[csziggy]

OK, my thoughts after reading all of this is the girlfriend (TM) is the key. If there was a creepy guy following him and TM was basically jumped by him while he was on the phone with her and he didnt pick up his phone for the rest of the night, why did she not call 911? I would have been FREAKING OUT if I were her. If she didn't call, why didn't she? Maybe because he told her he was going to teach him a lesson? I think this may be a big clue.

Where did you get the highlighted information? Link, please?

 

[songline]

I don't know. I am just saying that my own 23 yr old son, who is half black, and is a security guard while he is working his way through school, is very afraid of young black teens wearing hoodies when he is working the night shift. He is not a racist, but he knows the attitude that many of the wannabe thugs have, and he is very wary of them. They have the reputation of being very quick to anger and of being armed.

If you ask me I would say your son is smart.
I called my kids too and told them not to allow my grandkids
out with hoodies they are mixed and beautiful.

 

[HiHater]

It seems like it's getting heated in here. And we are at page 66. Time for a new thread?

It's completely off topic...and yeah, I think this is the longest thread they usually stop around 40/50 IIRC

 

[Doop]

I personally would like the police to do a more thorough investigation, since it seems like their incompetence get the better of them once again. IF he arrested and later found acquitted, that is fine with me. What isnt fine with me if he isnt charged at all. I see this situation getting worse and worse, as people will get hurt and even killed in this aftermath.

 

[suzihawk]

No,they didn't know. His parents didnt even call when he didnt show up that night. I find that very strange and unsettling.

I find it strange and unsettling (and despicable) that the 'authorities' shoved him in the morgue and didn't try to contact his next of kin for a considerable length of time. Especially since discovering that they were in possession of his cell phone.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I agree that black on black crime is a huge problem, but it really has nothing to do with this case?

I think that black leaders are more upset with the way Sanford Police handled the investigation from the very moment it happened and I agree with them 100%. If they would have done what they did in the Dooley case, this case would have never even made it past Florida, imo. Heck, in the Dooley case, there is a witness that claims the victim made physical contact with Dooley first and I still think Dooley should be arrested, charged, and convicted.

I understand 100% why Trayvon's family wanted answers and wanted it to be looked at by someone else. Sanford Police have a reputation. They have obviously made statements to the media in George Zimmerman's defense and then making sure to make a snide comment about Trayvon or his parents.

 

[OkGrace]

Just jumping in real quick. When my youngest was 2 he took a tumble down the stairs, I called ER and asked if he should be checked out and was told not without noticeable injuries. No Blood, No bumps, No bruises etc. 3 days later while he was asleep with me I noticed his breathing was funny & took him in, nose broken.

 

[katydid23]

A person can't argue with numbers, however a person can skew them. Statistics aren't always what they appear to be on the surface.

I'm not implying anyone's statistics provided here were wrong, just that numbers can be manipulated.

But there is no question that young black males kill each other in much greater numbers than others do. For whatever reason they tend to turn to gun violence to work things out.

And it bothers me that Rev Jackson and Sharpton are saying that whites are hunting down and killing black teens, when only 8% of blacks die at the hands of white killers.

 

[songline]

I didn't want to bring up this politically incorrect opinion because I knew what would happen. But we cannot ignore the elephant in the room. Teen violence among young blacks is much higher. Young Black males are more likely to be armed and to shoot at each other over beefs than white kids. It may label me as a racist, even though my two kids are mixed race.

But the activists should be dealing with this fact as well. Sure GZ was wrong. He should be arrested, and now. But should we completely ignore the fact that MOST of the killings of young black males is by other young black males?

NO! ignoring anything is walking around with eyes wide shut. :maddening:

 

[grammieto5]

So the police cleaned up GZ, did the police also give him a clean shirt to wear. I see no blood stains (nose/back of head) on GZ's shirt in that video ???? I would think if there was a gun shot (Trayvon) there would be blood.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Are we seriously going to go back and start questioning Trayvon's parents? What they did. How they did it. Why they did it. What in the world does that have to do with Trayvon Martin being killed?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I was the one who used that picture. I used it to show the difference between Trayvon's "grill" photo and what many are suggesting it makes him look like. He was about as far from a "gansta" as I can imagine, unless people think all black teens with tats and a photo of gold grills are "ganstas".

Snipped to the part I wanted to reply to.

TM used a photo of C-Murder as his wallpaper for his MS page according to posters in this thread.

I think that's where a lot of discussion stemmed from.

Like I said, it says nothing about TM's character, but it makes me sad. C-Murder is a prime example of a and is in prison now for murder.