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[Dark Knight]

I know exactly what you mean. At the theater where I work, we have to be very careful where we lend our "B-roll." Anything but a news broadcast by a traditionally recognized news producer (i.e., no internet) could cost us a fortune.

If the situation ever changes, DK, do let us know. I love songs about first cousins who wed, cheat and then kill each other, which I assume is most songs aired in the Heartland.

Even health clubs have to belong to ASCAP and pay their fees in order to play music during the aerobics classes.

 

[southcitymom]

Eve, want a couple of more Episcopalian jokes?

One priest we had used to joke and say Whiskeypalians.

Do you know that when 4 Episcopalians get together there's always a fifth?

My uncle used both jokes all the time. He's a retired Episcopal priest.

How many Episcopalians does it take to screw in a light bulb? Four. One to call the repairman, one to mix drinks, and two to complain how they liked the old bulb better than the new bulb.

 

[Nova]

Even health clubs have to belong to ASCAP and pay their fees in order to play music during the aerobics classes.

Disclosure: I am a sometime songwriter and a member of BMI. So I do appreciate that there is another side to the story.

But since your station is already paying to broadcast songs over the air, there oughta be a way to let them do so over the internet as well, at a reasonable rate.

 

[Dark Knight]

Disclosure: I am a sometime songwriter and a member of BMI. So I do appreciate that there is another side to the story.

But since your station is already paying to broadcast songs over the air, there oughta be a way to let them do so over the internet as well, at a reasonable rate.

That's our position, that we are not airing unique broadcasts online, it's the same songs already playing on-air, but the FCC and others have upheld the challenges made to the rules, so far.

The radio industry is pretty strongly split about having to pay at all for airing songs. Yes we make money via commercials, but the song's become popular and make money via sales because WE play them. We pay something like 6% of our GROSS profits per year. So if we sell $1 million in commercials, that's a huge check we have to write each year. ASCAP and BMI are NOT hurting for money when you multiply that out by the number of stations, and how much the larger stations earn.

I have always been adamently anti piracy via song swapping because I believe the songwriters own the songs and deserve to be paid, so I have no problem with that part, I'd say.

 

[Nova]

That's our position, that we are not airing unique broadcasts online, it's the same songs already playing on-air, but the FCC and others have upheld the challenges made to the rules, so far.

All of these conflicts are attempts to deal with what might happen, and I can understand that BMI/ASCAP are concerned with the possibility that your internet stream can go all over the world and might eventually reached more listeners than the broadcast. Without some sort of internet licensing, anybody with a computer can set up his own "radio station."

But there ought to be something in between unreasonable fees and no fees at all. Now that internet sites are getting better at measuring listeners (thanks to Google tracking systems, etc.), maybe something can be arranged that is based on number of impressions during the stream.

The radio industry is pretty strongly split about having to pay at all for airing songs. Yes we make money via commercials, but the song's become popular and make money via sales because WE play them. We pay something like 6% of our GROSS profits per year. So if we sell $1 million in commercials, that's a huge check we have to write each year. ASCAP and BMI are NOT hurting for money when you multiply that out by the number of stations, and how much the larger stations earn.

Of course, I look at it differently, not through the "eyes" of BMI as a whole, but on the basis of my yearly, 8-page, single-spaced, tiny type royalty statement -- and the check for $35 that comes with it! LOL. (Of course, my type of work (contemporary classical) doesn't get much airplay anyway, so I realize my statement is a bad example.)

But it seems to me EVERY arm of show business is always pointing to how much money is made thanks to the publicity generated for other arms.

How is not paying royalties for songs any different from not paying you and the other DJs? Why not tell DJs they can make their money from personal experiences generated by their radio exposure? (Different dollar amounts, of course, but how is the principal different?) 6% royalties is on the low end of what a Broadway show pays its creative staff, and just a drop in the bucket compared to what can be made for a movie.

I have always been adamently anti piracy via song swapping because I believe the songwriters own the songs and deserve to be paid, so I have no problem with that part, I'd say.

Yes, it's amusing, isn't it, to hear the younger generation claim it is entitled to "free" downloading?

 

[Dark Knight]

All of these conflicts are attempts to deal with what might happen, and I can understand that BMI/ASCAP are concerned with the possibility that your internet stream can go all over the world and might eventually reached more listeners than the broadcast. Without some sort of internet licensing, anybody with a computer can set up his own "radio station."

But there ought to be something in between unreasonable fees and no fees at all. Now that internet sites are getting better at measuring listeners (thanks to Google tracking systems, etc.), maybe something can be arranged that is based on number of impressions during the stream.



Of course, I look at it differently, not through the "eyes" of BMI as a whole, but on the basis of my yearly, 8-page, single-spaced, tiny type royalty statement -- and the check for $35 that comes with it! LOL. (Of course, my type of work (contemporary classical) doesn't get much airplay anyway, so I realize my statement is a bad example.)

But it seems to me EVERY arm of show business is always pointing to how much money is made thanks to the publicity generated for other arms.

How is not paying royalties for songs any different from not paying you and the other DJs? Why not tell DJs they can make their money from personal experiences generated by their radio exposure? (Different dollar amounts, of course, but how is the principal different?) 6% royalties is on the low end of what a Broadway show pays its creative staff, and just a drop in the bucket compared to what can be made for a movie.



Yes, it's amusing, isn't it, to hear the younger generation claim it is entitled to "free" downloading?

They just unveiled a system that pays based on number of hits, but even that added up to a lot, plus you have to pay for bandwidth. But they are trying, at least.

 

[Nova]

They just unveiled a system that pays based on number of hits, but even that added up to a lot, plus you have to pay for bandwidth. But they are trying, at least.

No doubt someday we'll look back and this entire discussion will seem silly. (ETA: I mean the discussion about internet royalties, not religious denominations.)

But please do let me know if and when I can catch your show. (Do you broadcast as far as Columbus? I'll probably be there for a day or two later in the year.)

 

[sandraladeda]

Ok.

Everthing you said was true, except for the bit not highlighted, I'm really not a hateful person but I understand why you would think that- the tea and biscuit comment was out of line- I apologise.
Apologies also to Maral (can't think of a specific instance but I'm pretty sure there is one) and to DK (too many to mention) and to Eve (this thread)
I will not say one more word to inflame and antagonize.

Thank you :blowkiss:

 

[IrishMist]

The Church says it doesn't have anything against people being homosexual, as long as they don't practice homosexuality.

Well, I feel the same way.

I don't have anything against people being Roman Catholics, as long as they don't practice Roman Catholicism.

I don't care who you are- that's funny

 

[LovelyPigeon]

Eve, want a couple of more Episcopalian jokes?

One priest we had used to joke and say Whiskeypalians.

Do you know that when 4 Episcopalians get together there's always a fifth?

My uncle used both jokes all the time. He's a retired Episcopal priest.

You know the difference in Baptists and Methodists? Methodists speak to each other in the liquor store.

You know why 3 Baptists always go together on a visit? One to ring the doorbell and 2 to pray no one is home.

:dance:

 

[IrishMist]

So, if I'm Episcopalian I can drink AND accept gays? Maybe, just maaaaybe that's a church I could belong to!

 

[Dark Knight]

No doubt someday we'll look back and this entire discussion will seem silly. (ETA: I mean the discussion about internet royalties, not religious denominations.)

But please do let me know if and when I can catch your show. (Do you broadcast as far as Columbus? I'll probably be there for a day or two later in the year.)

We broadcast into NW Ohio, but not nearly as far as Columbus. If you ever catch my show, I'll play some Queen for you. *ba dump bump!* :crazy:

Ok, back on topic, um.........Go Catholics! :woohoo: LOL!

 

[Nova]

We broadcast into NW Ohio, but not nearly as far as Columbus. If you ever catch my show, I'll play some Queen for you. *ba dump bump!* :crazy:

Ok, back on topic, um.........Go Catholics! :woohoo: LOL!

It's a deal!

So let's see: Notre Dame, Boston College, Gonzaga are in. I don't think any of the Loyolas made it.

What other schools are we rooting for as the NCAA tournament begins?

 

[Maral]

It's a deal!

So let's see: Notre Dame, Boston College, Gonzaga are in. I don't think any of the Loyolas made it.

What other schools are we rooting for as the NCAA tournament begins?

Well, let's not forget Creighton, Marquette, and Xavier, Nova.

 

[Boyzmomee]

The Catholic Church's jump was quite large, it surprised me. Couple million at least. QUOTE]



No birth control.

 

[Boyzmomee]

It'd be like someone saying: "A Jew lives by me. Scary, huh?" .

I'm not scary.

 

[Boyzmomee]

Oh good grief. I should expect better logic form you Nova, but perhaps not. Anyways, it isn't worth getting this thread locked because someone wants to play victim and not let others.

Jews never had to "play" victims. Others cast us in that position quite well.

 

[Boyzmomee]

Again, Jews and Muslims - in THIS country - are small groups and, particularly in the case of the former, traditionally (and fairly recently) oppressed.

The same cannot be said of Christians - again, in THIS country, but that's what the figures concern.

Different context.

Perhaps I misunderstood Narla's intent, but I still maintain there may be very good reasons to fear the influence of Christianity on many people, all the while continuing to be tolerant of their right to believe as they do (and with full awareness that Christians in this country are composed of people with many different political views).

I think Narla could have worded her thoughts in a more appropriate way.

What concerns me is when folks attempt to legislate their particular religious beliefs. When it is rejected, they then assume "persecuted victim" status. Hardly.

 

[Boyzmomee]

So, if I'm Episcopalian I can drink AND accept gays? Maybe, just maaaaybe that's a church I could belong to!

I'm married, I drink, have children, and accept people no matter what their sexual orientation.

However, to join my particular "tribe" you would have to be/get circumcised. Oh, if you are male, that is.

 

[narlacat]

(Please don't tell anyone, DK, 'cause I fooled some folks into thinking I'm sophisticated: John Mellencamp remains the second-best show I ever saw. (Second only to Springsteen. And only Springsteen in Jersey.))

Hey I've seen Springsteen (but not at Jersey ), many years ago, 85 I think- I was just out of high-school, we were the class of 84, big brother and all that...wow what a life time ago.