2008.07.03 a significant day?

[suspicious1]

I will check. I'm not having a lot of luck finding anything on him. I think I have his phone number but its not helping me much!!! :bang:

Did you say that he may have some connection to another case? That's interesting! I was also wondering about his contact with KC, where can I find the phone logs?

 

[Balthazar]

In the beginning, I thought so too. But then I kept thinking about the 911 call from CA and it was so genuine not rehearsed at all. I just don't know what to think anymore.

To be honest, I have never thought the 911 call sounded genuine. To me, it sounded highly manipulative. It is also my impression that the 911 operator thought the same thing - remember she asked Cindy if they hadn't called before about a stolen car and how she asked Casey why she waited until July 15 to report Caylee missing?

 

[Drivenon]

I will check. I'm not having a lot of luck finding anything on him. I think I have his phone number but its not helping me much!!! :bang:

There are a few versions of her cell book out there. The best one is the LE back up dated 7/16, I have noticed that she attempted to change some entries.

 

[suspicious1]

Well this is strange. I never noticed this before but she has him in her sims under two entries (the phone numbers match).



http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/12.pdf

Kyle:Animal #46
Kyle K. #116

You are absolutely right!

 

[Who_What_When]

Did you say that he may have some connection to another case? That's interesting! I was also wondering about his contact with KC, where can I find the phone logs?

I read it somewhere, now I just have to figure out where!!! LOL

 

[Balthazar]

I read it somewhere, now I just have to figure out where!!! LOL

In Orange County, California, Donna Jou disappeared in the company of John Steven Burgess, a convicted child molestor on June 23 2007. His California roommates report he packed up and left on July 5. He was arrested in Jacksonville, FL on July 26, 2007 for possession of crack cocaine. He made bail, only to get arrested yet again in Jacksonville on Sept. 20 for theft, a fake SS card, and fake name Logan Anderson. He was extradited to California and is serving 3 years on unrelated charges.

Incidentally, Donna Jou met Burgess on Craig's List.

 

[Who_What_When]

In Orange County, California, Donna Jou disappeared in the company of John Steven Burgess, a convicted child molestor on June 23 2007. His California roommates report he packed up and left on July 5. He was arrested in Jacksonville, FL on July 26, 2007 for possession of crack cocaine. He made bail, only to get arrested yet again in Jacksonville on Sept. 20 for theft, a fake SS card, and fake name Logan Anderson. He was extradited to California and is serving 3 years on unrelated charges.

Incidentally, Donna Jou met Burgess on Craig's List.

Thanks! I knew I remembered something about this. I came across the article I had read a long time ago, it mentions a Kyle and that is how this rumor about him being this person started (not sure if it holds any truth, I personally don't think its the same person). It's in the comments...

http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/...ld-to-stop-touching-casey-during-jail-visits/

 

[majikposhun]

This seems a good place to mention this:

I have always been disturbed by the fact that Cindy wrote "My Caylee is Missing" on July 3, then on July 15, after being told that Zanny took Caylee, Cindy told the 911 operator that Caylee was "missing." Wouldn't most people say "Kidnapped?" A shoe goes "missing", but if someone takes a child, the child has been kidnapped and if a child disappears while at a store with you, you would tell the store security that the child was lost, but missing? To me, this language could indicate that there was a story that was planned out and the language of the story was rehearsed and used on July 3 and then again on July 15. When taken in context of the computer searches for "missing children" in March, it makes me wonder. Why the usage of the word missing vs. kidnapped?

IMO - I think Cindy was being manipulative with Casey by posting this message on her MySpace page - knowing that Casey would see it and perhaps some of Casey's friends - and then someone would contact Cindy and let her know what is going on with Casey and Caylee. I just cannot fathom that Cindy KNEW Caylee was actually "missing". Then Casey took that and ran with it - OH - I can just say that the "Nanny" took her and then implicate my mom whom I loathe so much. Do you see where I am going with this?

 

[Who_What_When]

IMO - I think Cindy was being manipulative with Casey by posting this message on her MySpace page - knowing that Casey would see it and perhaps some of Casey's friends - and then someone would contact Cindy and let her know what is going on with Casey and Caylee. I just cannot fathom that Cindy KNEW Caylee was actually "missing". Then Casey took that and ran with it - OH - I can just say that the "Nanny" took her and then implicate my mom whom I loathe so much. Do you see where I am going with this?

I too have a hard time believing that Cindy knew. I could be wrong but it just doesn't add up to me. Then again, what does in this case! I am somewhat weary of Lee's involvement in covering something up, but again, if he did know where Caylee was why would he go through all the trouble of bothered questioning Casey over and over again.


So confusing!!! :bang:

 

[AZlawyer]

I really really don't think LE is "holding back" any evidence regarding this day. If they haven't released the texts between KC and CA, that's because they couldn't retrieve them. Here's my post from the Annie letter thread explaining:

OK, there seems to be a lot of confusion about the interaction between the Sunshine Law and the disclosure rules and what can/cannot be withheld from the defense/the public.

Florida Rule Crim. Procedure 3.220 (disclosure to defense): http://www.cobblawfirm.com/Rules_Discovery.htm

Handbook for Law Enforcement re: Sunshine Law (public records disclosure):
http://myfloridalegal.com/webfiles.n...008LEGuide.pdf

It seems to me that, pursuant to Rule 3.220, the state would have to turn over to the defense lots of the documents we are assuming are being withheld--for example, any written statement or summary of an oral statement from Annie, who is on the state's witness list. In addition, based on the Handbook for LE compliance with the Sunshine Law, p. 37, it seems to me that once a document is identified as having to be turned over to the defense, it also has to be turned over to the public (with rare exceptions that I don't think apply here).

Is anyone aware of any orders from this judge limiting release of information to the public or to the defense? If not, I don't see how the state could be withholding any "bombshell" documents for use at trial.

But I do agree that July 3 was a critical day for some reason--actually the whole period July 1-4 is interesting. The night of June 30/July 1, she is driving all around (based on cell pings), then the morning of July 1 goes to Jesse's for a shower. Before 5 am on the morning of July 2, she takes Tony's Jeep out for a drive (based on cell pings), then comes back and washes clothes at JP & Ricardo's apartment (according to Ricardo), then writes Diary of Days at 10:50 am, then goes to the tattoo place before 7 pm to make her appointment for the next day. Then we get into the events of July 3-4 as described by other posters above.....

 

[Who_What_When]

I really really don't think LE is "holding back" any evidence regarding this day. If they haven't released the texts between KC and CA, that's because they couldn't retrieve them. Here's my post from the Annie letter thread explaining:

OK, there seems to be a lot of confusion about the interaction between the Sunshine Law and the disclosure rules and what can/cannot be withheld from the defense/the public.

Florida Rule Crim. Procedure 3.220 (disclosure to defense): http://www.cobblawfirm.com/Rules_Discovery.htm

Handbook for Law Enforcement re: Sunshine Law (public records disclosure):
http://myfloridalegal.com/webfiles.n...008LEGuide.pdf

It seems to me that, pursuant to Rule 3.220, the state would have to turn over to the defense lots of the documents we are assuming are being withheld--for example, any written statement or summary of an oral statement from Annie, who is on the state's witness list. In addition, based on the Handbook for LE compliance with the Sunshine Law, p. 37, it seems to me that once a document is identified as having to be turned over to the defense, it also has to be turned over to the public (with rare exceptions that I don't think apply here).

Is anyone aware of any orders from this judge limiting release of information to the public or to the defense? If not, I don't see how the state could be withholding any "bombshell" documents for use at trial.

But I do agree that July 3 was a critical day for some reason--actually the whole period July 1-4 is interesting. The night of June 30/July 1, she is driving all around (based on cell pings), then the morning of July 1 goes to Jesse's for a shower. Before 5 am on the morning of July 2, she takes Tony's Jeep out for a drive (based on cell pings), then comes back and washes clothes at JP & Ricardo's apartment (according to Ricardo), then writes Diary of Days at 10:50 am, then goes to the tattoo place before 7 pm to make her appointment for the next day. Then we get into the events of July 3-4 as described by other posters above.....

I thought the state had to only release the information to the public once it was given to the defense. Perhaps they are holding off doing this until they have to and this is why we haven't seen the missing information.

 

[elle1919]

I thought the state had to only release the information to the public once it was given to the defense. Perhaps they are holding off doing this until they have to and this is why we haven't seen the missing information.

All I know is....there MUST be an Annie D. interview, and it hasn't been released. Many people in the other interview's said Annie was Casey's BF so tell me that LE wouldn't interview her??

 

[AZlawyer]

I thought the state had to only release the information to the public once it was given to the defense. Perhaps they are holding off doing this until they have to and this is why we haven't seen the missing information.

But they can't "hold off" on giving information to the defense, unless it doesn't fall within one of the categories for disclosure. The categories include things like recorded statements of witnesses, summaries made of unrecorded statements of witnesses, expert reports, all documents that the state might use at trial, etc. (This is from memory--check the rule I linked to for the exact wording.)

 

[Who_What_When]

All I know is....there MUST be an Annie D. interview, and it hasn't been released. Many people in the other interview's said Annie was Casey's BF so tell me that LE wouldn't interview her??

I completely agree. There is no way that they didn't interview her. I really believe that her testimony will be critical to this case.

 

[AZlawyer]

All I know is....there MUST be an Annie D. interview, and it hasn't been released. Many people in the other interview's said Annie was Casey's BF so tell me that LE wouldn't interview her??

The only possibility anyone has come up with so far that makes any sense to me is that LE interviewed her, did not record it, and did not even write up a summary--just kept the information in the form of their "raw notes" of the interview, which I think would not have to be disclosed to the defense or to the public.

This would go along with the fact that LE clearly interviewed some people before their released, recorded interviews, as referenced in a couple of the transcripts (including TonE's, IIRC). Maybe they "pre-interviewed" Annie like they did with TonE but then didn't do any "follow-up" recorded interview.

Of course, JB could still depose Annie. I think someone said on another thread that he actually did depose her, so perhaps he knows what Annie's testimony is going to be. Can anyone confirm if that deposition took place?

 

[Balthazar]

I too have a hard time believing that Cindy knew. I could be wrong but it just doesn't add up to me. Then again, what does in this case! I am somewhat weary of Lee's involvement in covering something up, but again, if he did know where Caylee was why would he go through all the trouble of bothered questioning Casey over and over again.


So confusing!!! :bang:

Does anyone know of the Anthony's ever making a big dramatic plea via the media to the kidnapper to bring Caylee back, as in most kidnapping cases? Is there any video of Casey or Cindy crying and pleading with the kidnappers to return Caylee that was played over and over again, as in most cases where there was a kidnapping?

 

[elle1919]

The only possibility anyone has come up with so far that makes any sense to me is that LE interviewed her, did not record it, and did not even write up a summary--just kept the information in the form of their "raw notes" of the interview, which I think would not have to be disclosed to the defense or to the public.

This would go along with the fact that LE clearly interviewed some people before their released, recorded interviews, as referenced in a couple of the transcripts (including TonE's, IIRC). Maybe they "pre-interviewed" Annie like they did with TonE but then didn't do any "follow-up" recorded interview.

Of course, JB could still depose Annie. I think someone said on another thread that he actually did depose her, so perhaps he knows what Annie's testimony is going to be. Can anyone confirm if that deposition took place?

Interesting....but they have taped recordings of interviews with people that have little or no knowledge of this whole case and if they went to the trouble of recording and documenting them, I don't understand why they wouldn't document an interview with Annie. Just doesn't make a lot of sense but then again...I am sure LE has their reasons for the way they do things.

 

[elle1919]

does anyone know of the anthony's ever making a big dramatic plea via the media to the kidnapper to bring caylee back, as in most kidnapping cases? Is there any video of casey or cindy crying and pleading with the kidnappers to return caylee that was played over and over again, as in most cases where there was a kidnapping?

no never

 

[cocoamom]

The only possibility anyone has come up with so far that makes any sense to me is that LE interviewed her, did not record it, and did not even write up a summary--just kept the information in the form of their "raw notes" of the interview, which I think would not have to be disclosed to the defense or to the public.

This would go along with the fact that LE clearly interviewed some people before their released, recorded interviews, as referenced in a couple of the transcripts (including TonE's, IIRC). Maybe they "pre-interviewed" Annie like they did with TonE but then didn't do any "follow-up" recorded interview.

Of course, JB could still depose Annie. I think someone said on another thread that he actually did depose her, so perhaps he knows what Annie's testimony is going to be. Can anyone confirm if that deposition took place?

Do you think they haven't gotten the credit card bill for JCPenney yet? Oh yeah - CA gave that to JB right? So we don't get to see it because Defense already has it? Do we get to see it when Defense gives it to Prosecution? Does this Sunshine Law work in reverse?

Also, if FBI received DNA evidence (hair, swabs) back in October along with other forensic evidence and they disclosed results on all the other testing but not the DNA - do you think FBI is still working on it? Seems strange all the other results were there...just wondering...:waitasec:

 

[Balthazar]

How many of us have ever heard of the family of a victim of kidnapping immediately thinking of setting up a MySpace page about the missing child and texting all their friends that the child was missing all while waiting for police to arrive to make the initial report of kidnapping?