2008.08.04 George Anthony Interview Audio

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OK thanks. I have to go find the report cuz surely she took them before the 24th.


In AL interview he says ...duh... one day KC ran out of gas, I took her to her parents to get gas cans......duh...........another time bet. 6-22 & 6-28, KC called me from amscot out of gas.....duh

(AL interviews are the worst I've ever seen)

However KC text someone "what are the chances I would run out of gas two fridays in a row"?........this would mean she took the gas cans from the house on June 20.

The amscot lady said the car was there @ 7AM on June 27th again out of gas.
 
I'm sorry I disagree. All he said was he didn't like the smell. LE let him leave it at that. George may very well know what he smelled, but if he is no longer cooperating, then his statement really means nothing and is of no use.

Again, what is with these interviewers (except Yuri) allowing everyone to be vague and gloss over events? It's very frustrating to me...

I agree and thought the same thing. Why wouldn't the det. say "George, what do you think it smelled like?" Or "What didn't you like about the smell?". I notice that happened on other questions too. Oh, and I agree Yuri is awesome. I just wish he'd done em all.

George seems to know something is up in the interview however, when in public he will defend his daughter and insist that she had nothing to do with the disappearance of his grand daughter.
 
In my humble opinion, Cindy is totally motivated by "keeping up appearances", and that means a perfect house, spotless windows, and no oil stains in the driveway.
This might be very true; appearances are quite important to Cindy. You can't stop at this point....

George is doing his best to keep Cindy content, and that means not getting in her way about presenting the "perfect family" to the world.
Hold on a second. You're assuming that Cindy's holding the image of a perfect family for herself. If you make that claim, determine what reason that would be. The only reason would be that internally, that family is not perfect. At what level. Where does it start?

He knows it isn't, but he has to keep his mouth shut, or catch he!! at home. He loves Cindy, and she has been a good wife in many ways.
okay, now you're touching on something here. WHY does George keep his mouth shut? Are you sure it's because Cindy has been a good wife, or is it something that benefits George?

Cindy's "pretend" perfect image is falling down. George knows it, but he truly loves her, and is caught between a rock and a hard place. Their daughter, that Cindy has tried her best to work over and mold into the family picture she had in mind, has succumbed to the wild life.
YES!!! There is a family disconnect. Cindy sees things she's ignored or pretended hasn't been there the whole time. What could it be? She is forced into a denial so dark that she wants to excuse what physical things she's admitted on tape. She cannot sustain those things she has actually attested to before this "disconnect" has happened in her mind. Her control, that thing that made her think everything was perfect in her family (sans the evidential issue of Casey's destructive and sociopathic behavior) if only it would all follow "these" rules.

Cindy resorts to "pretend this isn't happening". George knows this is a crock, but loves Cindy, and isn't strong enough to confront her.
EXACTLY. George knows it is a crock. WHY is he so convinced? Why would he know that the family life that Cindy wants to cling so desperately to is a bullcrap version of what is really going on???

Both Cindy and George need our prayers, in my humble opinion. They did their very best as parents, with Cindy steamrollering George, trying to keep the lid on Casey. Cindey thought she had the power, but Casey is turning her into a fool. George is just standing by, wondering, because Cindy told him that she had it all under control.
Cindy needs our prayers. She has loved this little baby as best she could. She has determined to not see the truth of Caylee's birth, not wanting to look at the signs she may have been given. She attempts to keep the family as she believes a family should be. In fact, Casey has learned this technique so well she integrates herself into the families of those she associates closely with in order to see how THEY behave so as to better integrate herself into the patterns of the life of that person she is currently involved with, male or female. She looks to them to show her how to behave in the situation. Casey never had the power. Someone took it from her, and it wasn't Cindy. Cindy didn't offer her protection. Cindy becomes the focus of Casey's anger and wrath because she looks to her mother to protect her from horrific things, and she views Cindy as having turned away from what was going on.

George has been paying Casey off for years, explaining the money that Cindy says is missing. George has been hushing Casey off for years, trying to keep her quiet from what happened. Casey developed a sociopathic personality through the gains she made from the violations she endured. It is from here she determined that it was "time to take care of numero uno" and established a plan to make it just that.

Casey Anthony is someone who has learned over years to take care of and rely on only herself. She has learned over years how to make sure that her own needs are met. She has learned to shut down everything that says "don't take advantage of or harm someone else" in that pursuit. She has been trained well to know that she is the only person who will give her what she wants and has taken that lesson to the pathological level to determine that it will come at the cost of anyone who stands in her way.

That is what Caylee became. She was loved by Cindy. Cindy, who did not protect Casey from the one other person she should never have protected her from. Casey, who bore the excruciating knowledge that one parent could use her, and the other parent could pretend it wasn't happening. She learned horrible coping mechanisms to get through the day. Then suddenly....

She was pregnant. She ignored signs for months. She's been trained to ignore everything else wrong. When it becomes impossible to continue ignoring it, she makes up lies. She starts having affairs to attempt to pin the pregnancy on this guy or that one. She keeps trying until she meets Jesse, who falls for her story. They become engaged. In Jesse's mind, in his family's observation, things don't add up. Casey is obviously more pregnant than she admits. Paternity tests later prove this correct. Yet the stories of who is the real father continue to come out, and continue to be proven lies. WHO IS THAT BABY'S FATHER? Why is it such a huge secret???

The tension between Cindy and Casey only grows through the years of Caylee's life. The jealousy described is that of one child jealous of another child. Many times in the interviews or the tv clips, the grandparents mistake the granddaughter Caylee's name for the daughter's, Casey's, name. Throughout this time, Casey has begun spinning lies of a glamorous life she does not lead. She tries to blend into families that are not hers. She tries to become the woman for the man she dates. She does EVERYTHING but try to be the daughter that Cindy thinks she should be....that daughter that she could never be because of those things that Cindy has ignored in the family for years anyway. Casey is looking to fit in. She knows what's going on at home isn't "normal" and she wants the appearance of it. She no longer knows how to attain it. Men come into and out of her life quickly as she attempts to claim it.

Suddenly she is told to take care of the child, Caylee. She is asked to step up and deal with her "mistake" and there will be no more parental support. From her perspective, that means the money is cut off (George paying her) and no longer will she have the babysitting support (cindy) for her trying to attain a lifestyle she feels she is owed if but for the damn situation her parents have gotten her into anyway.

"Be A Good Mom" Sunday happens. Something breaks in the Anthony home. Casey decides to take Caylee away. Casey only takes her things. Caylee will have to deal with what she has. Casey has nothing but the car. She imposes on friends. She makes up stories. She spins. And finally.............She doesn't have to do that anymore. Suddenly, she is free to be with who, and wherever, she wants to be. She is free. She doesn't have to deal with it any longer.

For months (years if you believe Jesse's dad, who says he's heard of Zani for 2 years), the 'nanny' has taken care of Caylee when Casey could not. Who is this person, where did Casey meet her? These essential questions need to be answered. Does Zani exist? Well, in my theory, yes. But 'Zani' is not a person. Zani is the nickname of Xanax. So where does Zenaida come into it? Zenaida is a victim. She was someone who happened to cross paths incidentally with Casey. I doubt at the time of crossing Casey thought this was who she was going to say took her child. At the time, I believe Casey only wanted to know enough about this person to say "this is where Caylee is during the day" so she wouldn't have to fake an excuse any further. If anyone had pressed her early on, she probably would have produced an address of where her "nanny" was. No one ever did.

But things broke down at home. The excuse she used as "nanny" wasn't going to sustain her when she was forced to take care of her child. She had to punt. "Zani" suddenly became more than just a nickname for Xanax, but became the nickname for the nanny. Testing out doses to see how it would affect Caylee, I believe in the days after she left the house, Casey tried to sedate the baby so she would either sleep through a club night or party. I believe there was a night that Casey, who would check periodically on Caylee in the car, discovered Caylee either awake, and gave her more meds, or non-responsive, but either way, panicked. Casey, not wanting to face the reality, determined to shut it out. She's been well trained in that. Shut out the unpleasant things, pretend they don't exist. Deal with what you have to do and go on, pretending it never happened.

All this is to say: Casey doped the baby to have the life she thought she was owed, without having to deal with the life she was dealt (Caylee). She was responsible for the death of Caylee. She covered it up. I won't go so far as to say she should be excused for her behavior, but there are reasons she is the person she is, which designed her to be the person who could make such choices.

And continues to do so.

(by the way..........this is definitely my opinion. in fact, I'd go out on a limb to say I am about the only one with this opinion.)
 
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And could she still have been driving it as late as july15th ?

this explains why Cindy said she wanted to report Casey for stealing an auto

Also explains why Amy had to pick Cindy up to take her to Tone's apt

Also explains Lee's statement: mom and casey (july 15th) pull into drive way look like they had been arguing,etc,etc.
(no mention of Amy dropping them off)

am I missing something?????
CA picked up AH on the 15th. AH was at a mall clear across town and CA drove all the way over there to get her.
 
This might be very true; appearances are quite important to Cindy. You can't stop at this point....

George is doing his best to keep Cindy content, and that means not getting in her way about presenting the "perfect family" to the world.
Hold on a second. You're assuming that Cindy's holding the image of a perfect family for herself. If you make that claim, determine what reason that would be. The only reason would be that internally, that family is not perfect. At what level. Where does it start?

okay, now you're touching on something here. WHY does George keep his mouth shut? Are you sure it's because Cindy has been a good wife, or is it something that benefits George?

YES!!! There is a family disconnect. Cindy sees things she's ignored or pretended hasn't been there the whole time. What could it be? She is forced into a denial so dark that she wants to excuse what physical things she's admitted on tape. She cannot sustain those things she has actually attested to before this "disconnect" has happened in her mind. Her control, that thing that made her think everything was perfect in her family (sans the evidential issue of Casey's destructive and sociopathic behavior) if only it would all follow "these" rules.

EXACTLY. George knows it is a crock. WHY is he so convinced? Why would he know that the family life that Cindy wants to cling so desperately to is a bullcrap version of what is really going on???

Cindy needs our prayers. She has loved this little baby as best she could. She has determined to not see the truth of Caylee's birth, not wanting to look at the signs she may have been given. She attempts to keep the family as she believes a family should be. In fact, Casey has learned this technique so well she integrates herself into the families of those she associates closely with in order to see how THEY behave so as to better integrate herself into the patterns of the life of that person she is currently involved with, male or female. She looks to them to show her how to behave in the situation. Casey never had the power. Someone took it from her, and it wasn't Cindy. Cindy didn't offer her protection. Cindy becomes the focus of Casey's anger and wrath because she looks to her mother to protect her from horrific things, and she views Cindy as having turned away from what was going on.

George has been paying Casey off for years, explaining the money that Cindy says is missing. George has been hushing Casey off for years, trying to keep her quiet from what happened. Casey developed a sociopathic personality through the gains she made from the violations she endured. It is from here she determined that it was "time to take care of numero uno" and established a plan to make it just that.

Casey Anthony is someone who has learned over years to take care of and rely on only herself. She has learned over years how to make sure that her own needs are met. She has learned to shut down everything that says "don't take advantage of or harm someone else" in that pursuit. She has been trained well to know that she is the only person who will give her what she wants and has taken that lesson to the pathological level to determine that it will come at the cost of anyone who stands in her way.

That is what Caylee became. She was loved by Cindy. Cindy, who did not protect Casey from the one other person she should never have protected her from. Casey, who bore the excruciating knowledge that one parent could use her, and the other parent could pretend it wasn't happening. She learned horrible coping mechanisms to get through the day. Then suddenly....

She was pregnant. She ignored signs for months. She's been trained to ignore everything else wrong. When it becomes impossible to continue ignoring it, she makes up lies. She starts having affairs to attempt to pin the pregnancy on this guy or that one. She keeps trying until she meets Jesse, who falls for her story. They become engaged. In Jesse's mind, in his family's observation, things don't add up. Casey is obviously more pregnant than she admits. Paternity tests later prove this correct. Yet the stories of who is the real father continue to come out, and continue to be proven lies. WHO IS THAT BABY'S FATHER? Why is it such a huge secret???

The tension between Cindy and Casey only grows through the years of Caylee's life. The jealousy described is that of one child jealous of another child. Many times in the interviews or the tv clips, the grandparents mistake the granddaughter Caylee's name for the daughter's, Casey's, name. Throughout this time, Casey has begun spinning lies of a glamorous life she does not lead. She tries to blend into families that are not hers. She tries to become the woman for the man she dates. She does EVERYTHING but try to be the daughter that Cindy thinks she should be....that daughter that she could never be because of those things that Cindy has ignored in the family for years anyway. Casey is looking to fit in. She knows what's going on at home isn't "normal" and she wants the appearance of it. She no longer knows how to attain it. Men come into and out of her life quickly as she attempts to claim it.

Suddenly she is told to take care of the child, Caylee. She is asked to step up and deal with her "mistake" and there will be no more parental support. From her perspective, that means the money is cut off (George paying her) and no longer will she have the babysitting support (cindy) for her trying to attain a lifestyle she feels she is owed if but for the damn situation her parents have gotten her into anyway.

"Be A Good Mom" Sunday happens. Something breaks in the Anthony home. Casey decides to take Caylee away. Casey only takes her things. Caylee will have to deal with what she has. Casey has nothing but the car. She imposes on friends. She makes up stories. She spins. And finally.............She doesn't have to do that anymore. Suddenly, she is free to be with who, and wherever, she wants to be. She is free. She doesn't have to deal with it any longer.

For months (years if you believe Jesse's dad, who says he's heard of Zani for 2 years), the 'nanny' has taken care of Caylee when Casey could not. Who is this person, where did Casey meet her? These essential questions need to be answered. Does Zani exist? Well, in my theory, yes. But 'Zani' is not a person. Zani is the nickname of Xanax. So where does Zenaida come into it? Zenaida is a victim. She was someone who happened to cross paths incidentally with Casey. I doubt at the time of crossing Casey thought this was who she was going to say took her child. At the time, I believe Casey only wanted to know enough about this person to say "this is where Caylee is during the day" so she wouldn't have to fake an excuse any further. If anyone had pressed her early on, she probably would have produced an address of where her "nanny" was. No one ever did.

But things broke down at home. The excuse she used as "nanny" wasn't going to sustain her when she was forced to take care of her child. She had to punt. "Zani" suddenly became more than just a nickname for Xanax, but became the nickname for the nanny. Testing out doses to see how it would affect Caylee, I believe in the days after she left the house, Casey tried to sedate the baby so she would either sleep through a club night or party. I believe there was a night that Casey, who would check periodically on Caylee in the car, discovered Caylee either awake, and gave her more meds, or non-responsive, but either way, panicked. Casey, not wanting to face the reality, determined to shut it out. She's been well trained in that. Shut out the unpleasant things, pretend they don't exist. Deal with what you have to do and go on, pretending it never happened.

All this is to say: Casey doped the baby to have the life she thought she was owed, without having to deal with the life she was dealt (Caylee). She was responsible for the death of Caylee. She covered it up. I won't go so far as to say she should be excused for her behavior, but there are reasons she is the person she is, which designed her to be the person who could make such choices.

And continues to do so.

(by the way..........this is definitely my opinion. in fact, I'd go out on a limb to say I am about the only one with this opinion.)

Interesting theory.. thanks for sharing.
 
When KC ran to the car trunk to "get the gas cans"....I would bet $$$ the body was in there. After hearing there interviews I feel so sorry for GA & CA. The hell they have been through......it's heartbreaking....

I'm pretty sure that George said in the Greta interview that he SAW the inside of the trunk on the 24th. I'll go watch it again.
 
Does anyone know if there is a transcript online of the interviews where I can read them instead of listening? I don't want to interfere with my husband watching tv and it would be too noisy for me to hear anyway.

LOL....same here, must be a Texas thang !!
 
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And could she still have been driving it as late as july15th ?

this explains why Cindy said she wanted to report Casey for stealing an auto

Also explains why Amy had to pick Cindy up to take her to Tone's apt

Also explains Lee's statement: mom and casey (july 15th) pull into drive way look like they had been arguing,etc,etc.
(no mention of Amy dropping them off)

am I missing something?????
cindy picked up amy..
 
One thing that really really really bothers me about George's interview is that he states how they almost always watch Caylee.

But...

It's completely normal on the last day he s them that Casey is leaving to a job he probably knows she doesn't have. Or that she's just spending all her money? He seems comfortable having Caylee staying with a nanny that nobody knows. No emergency contact number, etc. If she had a nanny, would Cindy have at least picked Caylee up at the nanny like once? I mean why drop her off at Cindy's work? That just seems really crazy to me.

WOW. I like the way you think. Good point. I wanted to completly rule George out! now you got me second guesiing again!! lol
 
I didn't write down the date of the chase GA said in the interview. Whate did he say was the date?

(AGAIN) LE didn't ask the date....LE didn't ask how/when they got it back
either, I swear I could do better questionng....

the poster I replied to said G was off on fri & sat & since Cindy was home, his best guess (the poster) was that it happened on a Sat. 21st or 28th.....
 
So, now Question:

when Cindy called 911 the first time about daughter stealing an auto,

which auto was she refering to --the pontiac or the pathfinder?

hmmmm
Now that we know about her running off with CA's car, that is a very good question!
 
You have to remember alot of these people were interviewed several times. I think sometimes LE goes easy then compares all the interviews from various people then gets more specific and pinpoints things. Sometimes just letting people talk and not being pinned down causes them to be less defensive and you get more information.

I'm sorry I disagree. All he said was he didn't like the smell. LE let him leave it at that. George may very well know what he smelled, but if he is no longer cooperating, then his statement really means nothing and is of no use.

Again, what is with these interviewers (except Yuri) allowing everyone to be vague and gloss over events? It's very frustrating to me...
 
(AGAIN) LE didn't ask the date....LE didn't ask how/when they got it back
either, I swear I could do better questionng....

the poster I replied to said G was off on fri & sat & since Cindy was home, his best guess (the poster) was that it happened on a Sat. 21st or 28th.....
I understand the logic that's being used here with it having to be a Friday, but I found other times when George was home and I thought he should have been at work...like the day of the gas can incident (the 24th). George was home and it surprised Casey. Does he say what time of day he caught her? I think he may have not been working in June...or worked a different schedule. His new job started around the time this case broke IIRC.
 
I agree and thought the same thing. Why wouldn't the det. say "George, what do you think it smelled like?" Or "What didn't you like about the smell?". I notice that happened on other questions too. Oh, and I agree Yuri is awesome. I just wish he'd done em all.

George seems to know something is up in the interview however, when in public he will defend his daughter and insist that she had nothing to do with the disappearance of his grand daughter.

I think Le are asking those questions. i would assume they have conducted interviews that pertain to the neglect case ( this case)
and they have done second interviews (which are not released) pertaining to the dissapearance.
 
WOW. I like the way you think. Good point. damn good point!!! damit! I wanted to completly rule George out! now you got me second guesiing again!! lol

I think it is obvious George is not the confrontational type (if someone forgets that he had that fight with his dad that we do not know much about). His wife is rulling the household and then it was his wife and daughter fighting all the time, being competitive and antagonistic. George and Lee were on the sidelines of this family, literally being made to watch mother and daughter battle out their differences and having to mediate or hear them complain about another to them.

I don't think it was just Casey being jealous of her mother. Cindy appears VERY antagonistic and there was no need for her to rush and hold the baby in the hospital when she was born. Or call herself mommy to Caylee in front of Casey. Or call Casey's friends and tell them to stay away from Casey, that she is a sociopath, that she will ruin their lifes. The men of the family and the baby are all victims in this ruthless antagonism between mother and daughter, and this will be the theme played in a trial. And you can see it in her interview with LE how antagonistic and war-ready Cindy is. Even when the detective holds her hands and speaks to her with kindness and tenderness and tries to reason with her to be careful with the media, careful not to call her a liar but pointing to her ''half-truths'' or ''mis-truths'', Cindy still battles and interrupts him and is unable to LISTEN!!!!

Now on the other hand think of George's behavior in the towyard. He kept apologising for his wife's behavior to the manager and he was described as super polite and gracious. George couldn't even tell the f- word to LE when he was describing what Casey told him when he gave him back the empty gas containers. Now Cindy had no trouble swearing and cursing on tv, even cursing on people searching for their grandchild. George seems more polished in his human interactions, more worried about his social place and what people think of him at the tow yard and at his job. He values his respectability. His wife and his daughter are like tornados lost in their battles not worrying how others see them. But George feels embarrased and had to apologise for Cindy's behavior in the towyard. And he even speaks of how DIFFICULT it was to live with these women.

Now regarding him not asking Casey where she was going on the 16th or having suspisions about her not working. He didn't even confronted her in an aggressive manner regarding the stolen gas but calmly he tried to trick Casey to open her trunk. When Casey's behavior escalated in May and June, staying at ''zanni's'', running out of gas, not coming home and not bringing Caylee, George tried to follow her with his car. Yes he had his suspicions that ''hey this girl says she is at work 10 hours per day and she has no money. Where is she going now and using my wife's car because she doesn't have gas?" (my words, not quoting). He had enough and tried to get to the bottom of this and see where Casey was going. He didn't ask her, he KNEW Casey would like. Cindy told him to NOT do that. Why?

George's interview was the most straightforward, clean, with no ''you know'', and other verbal mambo jumbo thrown to detectives. He was asked a question he answered the question. On to the next one. He didn't give attitude to the detectives and he didn't make it up himself. He was there to talk about his grandaughter and what happened and this is what he did.

And I will be bold again and say what I have said a few weeks back: I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED if it was George who gave the tip to police about the gun being in his car.
 
But George WAS on the scene. He is quoted in the affidavit from that night.

It is my understanding that he was not "on the scene" when the 911 calls were made, and that he came in as the last one was concluding...you can hear Cindy begin to speak to him when he comes in and she almost falls apart...
 
anyone think its a little messed up how Cindy never mentioned to George that he (George) had a mini-stroke?
LE had to tell George about his stroke??????
I guess Cindy didnt want George to know that Casey was telling her friends George had a stroke. George seemed pretty surprised to hear it. Yet Cindy knew back on July 15th when Amy told her on the wat to Tone's place. wtf?

what else is Cindy hiding from George? What else does Cindy not want George to know? and why?
 
anyone think its a little messed up how Cindy never mentioned to George that he (George) had a mini-stroke?
LE had to tell George about his stroke??????
I guess Cindy didnt want George to know that Casey was telling her friends George had a stroke. George seemed pretty surprised to hear it. Yet Cindy knew back on July 15th when Amy told her on the wat to Tone's place. wtf?

what else is Cindy hiding from George? What else does Cindy not want George to know? and why?

Good point...
 
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