2008.09.14 Casey Enters No Guilty Plea On Fraud Charges - REVISITED

[Montana]

That's the bottom line then, isn't it? The itemized receipts of what the purchases were for. I'm trying to think of what a person could possibly buy at a Target that would justify the forging.

She bought a magnifying glass, night vision goggles and a jet pack. LOL!

 

[Spangle]

Someone said on TV there were 22 charges with more coming.

Here says 10 additional charges
http://www.cbs12.com/news/anthony_4709549___article.html/missing_year.html

I just checked the clerk of courts and I don't see anything new. Not from yesterday. I think this wraps up all the charges on the checks. And they ahve all been combined to one case.

 

[MiraclesHappen]

She bought a magnifying glass, night vision goggles and a jet pack. LOL!

:clap:


Anyway, yeah, she has entered a plea of not guilty because it is standard procedure no matter how much evidence has mounted against the defendant.


It pretty much triggers the pre-trial discovery process.

Logically, if Baez were to plead her guilty at the arraignment without having all the discovery from the prosecutor's office, he'd be malpracticing.

He cannot plead her guilty, especially in a high profile case, without actually having and viewing all the evidence to which he is entitled.
Counsel has to make an independent determination the the District Attorneys can actually prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt.

It is not really a way to set up any particular defense. It is so standard that defendant's presence is excused.

It's just standard procedure. I wouldn't really read too much into it.

:smiliescale:

jmo

 

[Spangle]

Since Jose requested to see the evidence.... I am seeing another document dump coming. This time it will be in relation to the Check/fraud charges. Maybe we will get to see a copy of the receipts.

 

[tbthow]

:waitasec: I learn something new everyday from here..

So Casey really signed the checks Casey?!?!? LMBO that is just to dang funny.

I use to be a cashier for 6 years and well we weren't allowed to take checks if someone else's name was on the check. Florida must go easy on that part.


:newbie:

 

[newsjunkie]

Someone that actually knows what they're talking about will have to fix the error of my assumption in terms of the "not guilty" plea, but...

Casey & JB are setting up their defense as not-guilty-by-reason-of-mental-defect/insanity.

Casey will claim, with an all-star Dr. to back it up, that she has multiple personalities. Casey will claim that ZFG was simply one, if not, THE, other personality in her psyche. They will have to figure out a way to explain why she signed the checks as "Casey" instead of "ZFG" (I assume w/o seeing them), but, this is likely going to be her defense, IMHO.

Whatever happened to Caylee will be her ZFG's-personality's fault, not Casey's.



TADA! :bang:

Just like the "script" in Fight Club. . .if you ask me.

 

[MiraclesHappen]

I guess we don't really know what her psychological evaluations concluded, but I believe it has been said she was not mentally ill and did not have a history of mental illness. So it would be long road for them to come in and argue something as severe as multiple personality disorder. But I wouldn't be surprised if they find signs of other types of mental "disturbances" - such as bipolar or anti-social personality disorder. Though not enough to argue she was "mentally ill" and therefore not guilty, they might be used as a mitigating factor in an attempt to reduce her sentence. I don't know that they found anything in her evaluation, but she sure seems to dislay some common characteristics!

I agree that Casey exhibits multiple symptoms of various psych disorders. But the ones you have mentioned, thankfully, are not what constitutes an insanity defense, as you said. SHe's goin down. :bananapartyhat:


I think they will be hard pressed to find any Court which will act on anything mitigating. jmo

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I guess we don't really know what her psychological evaluations concluded, but I believe it has been said she was not mentally ill and did not have a history of mental illness. So it would be long road for them to come in and argue something as severe as multiple personality disorder. But I wouldn't be surprised if they find signs of other types of mental "disturbances" - such as bipolar or anti-social personality disorder. Though not enough to argue she was "mentally ill" and therefore not guilty, they might be used as a mitigating factor in an attempt to reduce her sentence. I don't know that they found anything in her evaluation, but she sure seems to dislay some common characteristics!

If they found anything which would indicate she was mentally ill they would "Baker Act" her. She is fine mentally just a vicious narcissistic person.

 

[MD MOMMY]

:waitasec: I learn something new everyday from here..

So Casey really signed the checks Casey?!?!? LMBO that is just to dang funny.

I use to be a cashier for 6 years and well we weren't allowed to take checks if someone else's name was on the check. Florida must go easy on that part.


:newbie:

In the affadavit.. it states the checks had KC's name on them. The next part is me assuming lol..but the check numbers are low..in the 100's so they were most likely "starter checks" which have no name, address etc. KC either put them through her printer or wrote in her information on Amy's checks. This is the only way I can see it going down b/c the affadavit also states, Amy retrieved the check book back from "the suspects ex boyfriend"..apparently KC left them at his house. So she did use Amy's actual checks..it's not like she got the routing number and info and ordered herself checks using AH's account information.

http://www.ocso.com/Default.aspx?tabid=547
Fraud Affadavit 4

 

[BondJamesBond]

I guess we don't really know what her psychological evaluations concluded, but I believe it has been said she was not mentally ill and did not have a history of mental illness. So it would be long road for them to come in and argue something as severe as multiple personality disorder. But I wouldn't be surprised if they find signs of other types of mental "disturbances" - such as bipolar or anti-social personality disorder. Though not enough to argue she was "mentally ill" and therefore not guilty, they might be used as a mitigating factor in an attempt to reduce her sentence. I don't know that they found anything in her evaluation, but she sure seems to dislay some common characteristics!

Man, am I glad to read this post. Thanks!

 

[BondJamesBond]

Just like the "script" in Fight Club. . .if you ask me.

Casey did tell LE she'd "seen movies"...

 

[TxRose]

If they found anything which would indicate she was mentally ill they would "Baker Act" her. She is fine mentally just a vicious narcissistic person.

Oh - she is not legally insane. That is what I said. But I do know that they can use things like bipolar disorder and anti-social personality disorder to "mitigate" sentencing - especially in a plea bargain. And believe me - I am sure they can find some doctor to say she has these things. I know this from personal experience with a family member.

I am not saying she has any of these disorders, or that she will get a plea bargain. But if she does and there is (LOL)...I am sure they will try.

 

[JBean]

:clap:


Anyway, yeah, she has entered a plea of not guilty because it is standard procedure no matter how much evidence has mounted against the defendant.


It pretty much triggers the pre-trial discovery process.

Logically, if Baez were to plead her guilty at the arraignment without having all the discovery from the prosecutor's office, he'd be malpracticing.

He cannot plead her guilty, especially in a high profile case, without actually having and viewing all the evidence to which he is entitled.
Counsel has to make an independent determination the the District Attorneys can actually prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt.

It is not really a way to set up any particular defense. It is so standard that defendant's presence is excused.

It's just standard procedure. I wouldn't really read too much into it.

:smiliescale:

jmo

Exactly. No one would plead guilty at this point.

 

[Just__me]

Since Jose requested to see the evidence.... I am seeing another document dump coming. This time it will be in relation to the Check/fraud charges. Maybe we will get to see a copy of the receipts.

I hope the store video is release showing a distraught mother buying all the items one would need to search for her missing daughter and the invisible "nanny".

 

[TxRose]

I hope the store video is release showing a distraught mother buying all the items one would need to search for her missing daughter and the invisible "nanny".

Yea right. LOL.

Even if she was buying GPS trackers, a trenchcoat and binoculars for her search..if wouldn't matter. Heck - if she wrote checks payable to Texas Equusearch or United Way it wouldn't matter. It still wasn't her money and they weren't her checks. Period.

 

[seeker78]

Couldn't Casey just say Amy gave her permission to use the checks too? Maybe because of a debt Amy owed her? Not saying that's logical or that's what she'd claim, but there's also the, "Well, she said I could use them!" defense.

 

[TxRose]

Couldn't Casey just say Amy gave her permission to use the checks too? Maybe because of a debt Amy owed her? Not saying that's logical or that's what she'd claim, but there's also the, "Well, she said I could use them!" defense.

Well of course she could say that...but since Amy is the one pressing charges...it seems unlikely she will support Casey's story. That would make it game over.

 

[not_my_kids]

Sorry, I'm a little behind today, it's been a rough week. Are they actually going to arrest her again for the new check charges or not?

 

[Just__me]

I do think Casey will say AH said she could use her account or perhaps that even some of the money belonged to her (Casey) if it ever comes to that.
My thought is Casey is not going to plead guilty to anything because she knows it means she is going to jail and it won't be in protective custody. Jose doesn't want her to plead b/c he is still working for the highest price on the book and movie deals and that must be finalized before Casey is convicted otherwise Casey forfiets the money.

 

[kathyn2]

That won't cut it. It is illegal to sign someone else's name on a check or to even sign your own name on someone else's account. Unless someone is a signature on an acct no one can give you permission to use your checks. Plus, I don't think Amy is going to say she gave her permission anyway.

Couldn't Casey just say Amy gave her permission to use the checks too? Maybe because of a debt Amy owed her? Not saying that's logical or that's what she'd claim, but there's also the, "Well, she said I could use them!" defense.