2008.10.14 Tony L Interview w/LE

[debs]

Let me explain it this way....If my grand daughter were missing for 31 days...and I just found my daughter that I had not seen in a month...I would go directly to where she was or had been staying (the place I just picked her up from) and I would tear it apart looking for my grand daughter. I would have NO REASON to go look in MY OWN BACK YARD....unless my last name was Anthony! This whole action makes no sense to me....

She had to go through Amy to find out where Casey was. She got to TonE's apartment and was told Caylee was not there but with the nanny. After driving Amy home and being stonewalled by Casey, Cindy drove to the police department, only to find it closed (first 911 call). She took Casey back to the house and a couple more hours of stonewalling until Casey spills the beans that "the babysitter took her" (second 911 call), and the first of several mixups on the date she last saw Caylee (she says the 7th of June--interestingly enough, that same weekend that Casey was supposed to finally get her parents out of HER house). The 3rd call was Cindy letting everyone know how urgent the matter was an demanding people get there now because "it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car!"

But when they're talking about having searched their own backyard, what they were doing was covering the truth. They were attempting to change the public perspective of cadaver dog hits in the backyard by adding the qualifier. Cadaver dogs had searched their yard, so they had to prove the dogs were wrong because THEY searched their yard too. Cindy's need to interject these qualifiers is constantly fascinating to me. It wasn't enough to say "The dogs didn't seem like they were consistent. I'm not sure what they think the dogs smelled." She had to add the qualifier that they'd searched around the playhouse and they didn't find anything. Always with the qualifiers, our Cindy.

It is done to hide the truth. To throw people off. To block the public from seeing inside the dysfunction. Is it done as a denial mechanism? Heck no. There's no denial at work here in this. Is it done as a defense mechanism? I can concede that it's done defensively. However, hiding the truth, changing facts that are easily verified, and ultimately manipulating events in such a way that it adds more than just a little frustration at their behavior firstly, but then the complexity of the case. And most assuredly, people who lie so rapidly in such a defensive manner have lived their lives doing it, have honed it to an ingrained behavior. The truth will out, but the truth will never be easily gleaned, and the truth will rarely if ever come from the Anthony's willingly.

 

[seagull65]

there were chat logs? oh man i'm behind! i don't think i have those. anyone have a link? tia!

yes, in the chats he pressures her to let him come to her parents' house late at night to have sex, and doesn't seem to be able to understand why she thinks that would be a disturbance or disrespectful to her parents. He says he can just go out and get them coffee in the morning waitasec so what's the problem. When he repeatedly pressures her on this point and says she has to choose, either she wants him or she doesn't, if she wants him he's coming over, etc, she finally says no can't he wait til they see each other the next day, that she has a little bit too much respect for her parents to do that.

Then she reminds him that she has plans with her girlfriend Amy on Thursday for part of the day, and he starts calling her a "b*tch", repeatedly.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81031&highlight=IMs

 

[seagull65]

my bold.
i see your point here, seagull.during the investigation into the disappearance of madeleine maccann, cadaver dogs 'inspected' the hotel rooms, holiday apartments, cars and even clothes of everyone in praia da luz that either madeleine or her parents had any connection w/ at all. the police were almost certain that one of her parents were responsible for her death but wanted to know if they had help in disposing of her body.
what you suggest seems customary to me, seagull, and may indeed have answered a few questions which vex us yet.

thanks Eddeva,
IIRC in the McCann case, several vehicles were brought in to a parking garage and the cadaver dogs and handlers were not told which car was whose. Not that a handler would deliberately mislead a dog of course, but still such a good move to organize it that way.

 

[BondJamesBond]

For anyone interested, and with the patients to read it ....

Here's the detail (link below) - having nothing to do with smell - of the outta gas scene using the info from Tony's statement w/ other released info, and how it, IMHO...

1) Suggests the body was indeed outta the trunk 6/19 or 6/20, and,
2) Explains how nailing down "Lexus" may further reinforce (1) above

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3429503&postcount=30

Anyone interested in seeing more detail on the locations (e.g. mapped out and street level view of orientations): http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3420624&postcount=28

 

[seagull65]

Freaky that the car ran out of gas where the streets "Cascade (Casey), Anthony Lane, and Killian (killer)" intersect.

I know, I know... quit reading into this so much!!! (sorry!)


I, too, find it weird that he didn't smell the decomp that day. Maybe the gas fumes covered it some.... maybe she had recently did major cleaning overhaul and the smell hadn't taken over again..... yet.

I know, another one of those weird coincidences with names in this case. It is weird. Both her and her boyfriend having the name Anthony, and on Anthony Lane. Also more than one Casey in the case, so many CMAs, so many Seans, so many green pickups, etc.

 

[seagull65]

thanks for the links as always Bond! They are always great

 

[lovelabs]

I'm confused about something and hoping that someone can clear this up for me. TonE was describing KC as doing her fake cry sitting indain style at the foot of his bed watching the Great grandpa video, but I thought that KC was already picked up by the police before that video was released to the media.

 

[one_hooah_wife]

I'm confused about something and hoping that someone can clear this up for me. TonE was describing KC as doing her fake cry sitting indain style at the foot of his bed watching the Great grandpa video, but I thought that KC was already picked up by the police before that video was released to the media.

You are correct that KC had been arrested by the time that LE found the video on the computer and confronted Cindy about the discrepancy of the time-line. We do not know on what computer LE found the video ... it could have been the laptop that KC had at TonE's. So, KC would have had access to the video since June 15th when it was made and uploaded to the computer. I have often wondered if it was hearing Caylee singing "Please don't take Nan's sunshine away" that pushed KC over the edge or in the least gave her the idea of the way she could most hurt Cindy. IMOO

 

[BondJamesBond]

I'm confused about something and hoping that someone can clear this up for me. TonE was describing KC as doing her fake cry sitting indain style at the foot of his bed watching the Great grandpa video, but I thought that KC was already picked up by the police before that video was released to the media.

IIRC, lovelabs, the computer forensics indicated Casey loaded the video & pics (definitely pics...not certain if the video explicitly reported, but, one may presume the video too) to her laptop 6/17 ~3PM. Also, IIRC, she last viewed the pics on 7/2 ~10AM, just before she created the "Diary of Days" MSWord document (dunno what date she finished it before posting it).

I'm going from memory to give you a quick response w/o looking it up again. Others may chime in to correct my recollection, or, you may wish to look it up on the originally released Computer Forensics report.

Hope that helps!

 

[reeseeva]

She had to go through Amy to find out where Casey was. She got to TonE's apartment and was told Caylee was not there but with the nanny. After driving Amy home and being stonewalled by Casey, Cindy drove to the police department, only to find it closed (first 911 call). She took Casey back to the house and a couple more hours of stonewalling until Casey spills the beans that "the babysitter took her" (second 911 call), and the first of several mixups on the date she last saw Caylee (she says the 7th of June--interestingly enough, that same weekend that Casey was supposed to finally get her parents out of HER house). The 3rd call was Cindy letting everyone know how urgent the matter was an demanding people get there now because "it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car!"

But when they're talking about having searched their own backyard, what they were doing was covering the truth. They were attempting to change the public perspective of cadaver dog hits in the backyard by adding the qualifier. Cadaver dogs had searched their yard, so they had to prove the dogs were wrong because THEY searched their yard too. Cindy's need to interject these qualifiers is constantly fascinating to me. It wasn't enough to say "The dogs didn't seem like they were consistent. I'm not sure what they think the dogs smelled." She had to add the qualifier that they'd searched around the playhouse and they didn't find anything. Always with the qualifiers, our Cindy.

It is done to hide the truth. To throw people off. To block the public from seeing inside the dysfunction. Is it done as a denial mechanism? Heck no. There's no denial at work here in this. Is it done as a defense mechanism? I can concede that it's done defensively. However, hiding the truth, changing facts that are easily verified, and ultimately manipulating events in such a way that it adds more than just a little frustration at their behavior firstly, but then the complexity of the case. And most assuredly, people who lie so rapidly in such a defensive manner have lived their lives doing it, have honed it to an ingrained behavior. The truth will out, but the truth will never be easily gleaned, and the truth will rarely if ever come from the Anthony's willingly.

Excellent Post..........Bold is Mine!

 

[lin]

do you mean wearing a wire for them as a punishment for smoking marijuana? No, I don't think there was any repercussion or further discussion whatsoever regarding any marijuana use or anything like that (I think he actually only told them KC smoked it but I don't remember him saying he did). When you are the boyfriend of the mother of a missing child, and the child's disappearance coincides with the mother getting involved with you and your friends, you were known to have been looking to get out of your lease and change apartments on the very dates in question, etc, if LE hardly investigates you much at all, and just says "hey would you mind wearing a wire when you have lunch with her brother?" I imagine you would say, sure, why not? He could probably say no, but who would if it's LE asking? Not as any kind of punishment for anything.

Normally when a child goes missing the mother's paramour(s) is considered a POI (person of interest), it is routine. Usually they are heavily investigated to rule them out. TL was barely investigated. LE only took routine statements from him, had him show them where he'd picked her up on those days, and did a basic evidence collection/examination of the back of his jeep, no cadaver dogs or anything else. I don't think there were any cadaver dogs used or forensics even done in his apartment. Nothing severe at all.

Hope this helps you to refocus:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-interviews,0,100606.htmlpage

See page 46 of the pdf, first paragraph. TL took a polygraph and one can assume he passed, given the trust placed in him by LE. Of course, the fact that those with the experience and the knowledge of all facts of the case took TL up on his offer to go undercover spoke volumes to me about TL's credibility. No doubt they know a whole lot more about him than do we.

 

[JWG]

sorry to reply so late seagull, i missed your post (told you i was tired lol)
is smoking a bit of mary jane really such a serious crime over there that the cops can threaten you w/ so severe a punishment that you have no choice but to do whatever they demand of you to avoid it?
prince charles caught prince harry in a compromising position w/ a particularly aromatic roll-up a few years ago and all he got was a yelling at from MI6 and a large riding boot up his royal rectum (can i say that?)
why do you think tony would have cause to believe LE would have seen him as a POI?

IIRC from one of the early interview transcripts with either Tony or Ric, when asking about smoking marijuana, Yuri came right out and said he'd done so himself in the past. So I don't think they ever thought once about going after any of them for takin' a 'toke. :hypno:

 

[Hot Dogs]

IIRC from one of the early interview transcripts with either Tony or Ric, when asking about smoking marijuana, Yuri came right out and said he'd done so himself in the past. So I don't think they ever thought once about going after any of them for takin' a 'toke. :hypno:

I've read numerous times in this forum that LE is free to lie to witnesses in order to get information. Maybe Yuri thought he could get them to open up if he told them he used to be a stoner - even if he never touched the stuff.

How did NG miss that? BOMBSHELL: Yuri Melich admits that he was a pot smoker!

 

[Gma Kat]

IIRC, lovelabs, the computer forensics indicated Casey loaded the video & pics (definitely pics...not certain if the video explicitly reported, but, one may presume the video too) to her laptop 6/17 ~3PM. Also, IIRC, she last viewed the pics on 7/2 ~10AM, just before she created the "Diary of Days" MSWord document (dunno what date she finished it before posting it).

I'm going from memory to give you a quick response w/o looking it up again. Others may chime in to correct my recollection, or, you may wish to look it up on the originally released Computer Forensics report.

Hope that helps!

My bold: Bond, your recollection is probably correct.........you are Bond afterall.

 

[Searchfortruth]

After going over this interview, thoroughly, there were several parts where Tony said he could remember more if he went over his phone records, LE urges him to do that and they agree to get together later on that. Am I missing an interview, or are there just two released so far ? Well, if you count the car ride and Lee's wire tap that might be two more, but is there other info w/ Tony where he explains further the phone calls with Casey ? I am trying to make sure that I read all of the interviews, so any help would be appreciated !

 

[mitzi]

After going over this interview, thoroughly, there were several parts where Tony said he could remember more if he went over his phone records, LE urges him to do that and they agree to get together later on that. Am I missing an interview, or are there just two released so far ? Well, if you count the car ride and Lee's wire tap that might be two more, but is there other info w/ Tony where he explains further the phone calls with Casey ? I am trying to make sure that I read all of the interviews, so any help would be appreciated !

IIRC, AL did 4 interviews with LE, so maybe there are still 2 that haven't been released.

 

[Jolynna]

The last document dump had an AL transcript where Tony says that the talk between him and Casey on June 15 was mostly lovey-dovey and that there was nothing about a fight between Cindy and Casey. Casey just told him she wanted to get away from her parents fighting about their divorce.

Tony said he did not make plans to meet up with Casey on June 16 when he talked to her on June 15.

 

[Searchfortruth]

LE asked Tony about the garbage, which came from his apt. This was found in Casey's car right ? I was thinking before that maybe she was trying to over ride the awful smell with trash, but now I wonder if maybe she was trying to set them up ? I mean she did ditch the car at Amscot and left the trash in there purposefully...just pondering.

The interview sort of bugged me especially when Tony couldn't remember any of their phone conversations, I guess when there were so many it would be difficult...I just wanted to hear more.

 

[Jolynna]

LE asked Tony about the garbage, which came from his apt. This was found in Casey's car right ? I was thinking before that maybe she was trying to over ride the awful smell with trash, but now I wonder if maybe she was trying to set them up ? I mean she did ditch the car at Amscot and left the trash in there purposefully...just pondering.

The interview sort of bugged me especially when Tony couldn't remember any of their phone conversations, I guess when there were so many it would be difficult...I just wanted to hear more.

If Casey had said Cindy tried to choke her, I think Tony would have remembered that.

I can't believe that a drama queen wouldn't capitalize on the opportunity to repeat the story and get attention from it. Jesse didn't say Casey told him the story. Amy hasn't mentioned it either. The story about the choking came from Lee. Casey would have to have given Lee a different reason for leaving the Anthony house than George and Cindy fighting about George's affair and upcoming divorce.


I think it is interesting that Casey abandoned the car with her I.D. in a bag on the front seat. There was also Amy's resume with Amy's phone number, the Mrs. Tony L. page, Tony's garbage in the trunk with his roommate's name on receipts and Casey's pants that smelled like the car. All of that would be a clear trail to where Casey was "hiding out". Casey even texted Amy about how SHE got rid of the dead animal on her car.

Taking credit for knowing about the decomposition and getting rid of it doesn't look like trying to set up a *kidnapper story*. Casey also tried to go back to the car with gas cans. But, she waited until Tony was out of town first.

Maybe Casey thought her car was smelling too bad to remain parked in Tony's apartment parking lot? Maybe she couldn't take a chance that he'd get close to her car? If her car was out of commission, she'd have an excuse to drive Tony's vehicle while he was out of town. And she'd have an opportunity to REALLY clean up what was in her trunk.

I think Casey just wanted her car gone and where Tony wouldn't smell it for a few days. Until Tony left town.

If the car was part of a deliberate kidnapper story, Casey wouldn't have been texting to her friends about her car smelling like dead animals BEFORE her car was taken. She wouldn't have called Tony to pick her up by her car. She wouldn't have gotten new gas cans. Casey would have been good to go with the kidnapper story when Cindy and Amy first got her on July 15. Instead she said Caylee was just great, happily napping and to give Casey "one more day" (so she could run).

I don't see one single effort to put together a kidnapper story. IMO, "Zanny" was made up to convince the Anthony family and others that Casey was "working" so she wouldn't get nagged. Then "staying over with Zanny" was handy when Casey wanted to sleep overnight with RM or take Caylee to "adult" parties. After June 16, Zanny was Caseycode for "Caylee is in a better place".

Casey's excited utterance to Tony was that she stole Amy's money for a "backup plan". That means she was going to run not tell anyone about the horrible kidnapper. I don't see Zanny being made into a kidnapper until LE was on the way and Casey was trapped and cornered.

JMO

 

[Searchfortruth]

If Casey had said Cindy tried to choke her, I think Tony would have remembered that.

I can't believe that a drama queen wouldn't capitalize on the opportunity to repeat the story and get attention from it. Jesse didn't say Casey told him the story. Amy hasn't mentioned it either. The story about the choking came from Lee. Casey would have to have given Lee a different reason for leaving the Anthony house than George and Cindy fighting about George's affair and upcoming divorce.


I think it is interesting that Casey abandoned the car with her I.D. in a bag on the front seat. There was also Amy's resume with Amy's phone number, the Mrs. Tony L. page, Tony's garbage in the trunk with his roommate's name on receipts and Casey's pants that smelled like the car. All of that would be a clear trail to where Casey was "hiding out". Casey even texted Amy about how SHE got rid of the dead animal on her car.

Taking credit for knowing about the decomposition and getting rid of it doesn't look like trying to set up a *kidnapper story*. Casey also tried to go back to the car with gas cans. But, she waited until Tony was out of town first.

Maybe Casey thought her car was smelling too bad to remain parked in Tony's apartment parking lot? Maybe she couldn't take a chance that he'd get close to her car? If her car was out of commission, she'd have an excuse to drive Tony's vehicle while he was out of town. And she'd have an opportunity to REALLY clean up what was in her trunk.

I think Casey just wanted her car gone and where Tony wouldn't smell it for a few days. Until Tony left town.

If the car was part of a deliberate kidnapper story, Casey wouldn't have been texting to her friends about her car smelling like dead animals BEFORE her car was taken. She wouldn't have called Tony to pick her up by her car. She wouldn't have gotten new gas cans. Casey would have been good to go with the kidnapper story when Cindy and Amy first got her on July 15. Instead she said Caylee was just great, happily napping and to give Casey "one more day" (so she could run).

I don't see one single effort to put together a kidnapper story. IMO, "Zanny" was made up to convince the Anthony family and others that Casey was "working" so she wouldn't get nagged. Then "staying over with Zanny" was handy when Casey wanted to sleep overnight with RM or take Caylee to "adult" parties. After June 16, Zanny was Caseycode for "Caylee is in a better place".

Casey's excited utterance to Tony was that she stole Amy's money for a "backup plan". That means she was going to run not tell anyone about the horrible kidnapper. I don't see Zanny being made into a kidnapper until LE was on the way and Casey was trapped and cornered.

JMO

ITA, Tony would remember a choking incident between Casey and Cindy. I don't think Casey told many of her friends the truth about what was going on in that house, she told them a prettier version, leaving out fights about her theft, etc...