2008.12.11 Lt. Tammy Uncer Interview "Jail worker who saw KC's reaction"

[whiteangora]

The jail officials already stated their case at the hearing.
They are insisting it was SOP, and even if it was a set up they will not admit it. That is what I took away after hearing them speak.
Baez can stand on his head and spit fire but I really doubt he will ever prove any wrong doing by the jail or the State.

 

[MarleneM]

That is WHY it is important that the protocol be followed so that MISTAKES do not cause evidence not to be submitted.

The process of LAW does not care about EMOTIONS.

I think your opinion is clear and your point does not fall short of understanding, but what remains to be seen are the facts surrounding the incident to include the jailhouse/LE's version of events.

Even if everything was SOP, the video still might not make it into court because it only has "prejudicial" value. And if the jury never sees the tape, oh well! That just means JB can't rage about the "conspiracy" behind it. There is so much compelling evidence in this case, I'm really not worried about this piece of it one way or the other.

*On a totally personal note: Sucks to be in jail, dudnit?

 

[ibyoungr]

Not true at all. Casey has many rights.

ITA, Although I hate her for what she has done. We all have to remember if you are willing to take Casey "rights" away. Then we take those very rights away from ourselves. We may see what evidence has been provided to us and as a group discussing this see that she is guilty.
But Dunlurken.. until the jury says GUILTY. She still has rights. Even then.. she still is afforded a certain amount of HUMAN RIGHTS. Bad as you hate to think it.. that is the LAW.

Once again.. the LAW does not operate on EMOTION.

 

[ecs5298]

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*On a totally personal note: Sucks to be in jail, dudnit?

My personal mantra to criminals has always been.

"If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime"

If you don't like the way your treated in jail, then don't murder your baby, dump her like trash and then party and lie about it. Problem solved.

 

[miabellamoure]

I am not presuming anything, I'm discussing JB's allegations. It was said by the state during the motion hearing that Casey was taken to the infirmary, SOP when anyone is ABOUT to learn bad news. Is there proof that this was a plan to catch her reaction on film? Not that I'm aware of, but on the other hand there is no proof that it wasn't either.

Sorry if I presumed you were sharing JB's allegations...:blowkiss:

 

[ecs5298]

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Once again.. the LAW does not operate on EMOTION.

You are correct. But the LAW's are made by touchy-feely do gooders that seem to give the criminals all the rights and take away LE's ability to accurately investigate a crime.

Yes, I am aware, that they would apply to me too. But I solve that problem by not committing a crime. My daughter is healthy and alive and if anything ever happened to her I'd be the first one stepping up for a polygraph to rule myself out. I certainly wouldn't be lying to LE and out partying for 31 days while keeping my DD's disappearance a secret.

 

[ibyoungr]

My personal mantra to criminals has always been.

"If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime"

If you don't like the way your treated in jail, then don't murder your baby, dump her like trash and then party and lie about it. Problem solved.

I really do not think anyone on this thread today feels sorry for Casey. We are not even concerned Baez is raising a stink. We were discussing... whether or not protocol was followed and if their is an "air" of inappropriatness.

I am questioning if this SOP procedure of the jail in a HIGH PROFILE case was correct and appropriate? Why would they have a TV in the medical area?

As so many have said, this is jail and it not supposed to be comfy yet can not anyone question why the inmates need to have a TV on while they sit and wait to get a pill?



Why even risk having Casey hear this on the NEWS?
Why give BAEZ anything to chew on?

What would have happened if her lawyer was present and a representative of LE and the warden would have been present to tell her?

DO YOU THINK HER REACTION COULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT and IF IT WAS.... what would we say now? I think we would still think she did it because their is OTHER EVIDENCE MORE DAMNING. We would all still think she was cold and calculating.

However, to not question those in authority and processes means you give up your rights. It is our duty as citizens to make sure all procedures are followed.

I will stick by my opinion... SHE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO SEE THE NEWS.

 

[ibyoungr]

You are correct. But the LAW's are made by touchy-feely do gooders that seem to give the criminals all the rights and take away LE's ability to accurately investigate a crime.

Yes, I am aware, that they would apply to me too. But I solve that problem by not committing a crime. My daughter is healthy and alive and if anything ever happened to her I'd be the first one stepping up for a polygraph to rule myself out. I certainly wouldn't be lying to LE and out partying for 31 days while keeping my DD's disappearance a secret.

Same here... But that has nothing to do with what I am talking about.

My point has been.. Why was she allowed to see the news? Why does their even need to be a TV in the medical commons area? Did a prison employee take her to see the news? Was it inadvertant? Could this have been handled better? Should her attorney been present when she was told to parlay these types of allegations by the attorney?

What is wrong with questioning the process and procedure?

 

[whiteangora]

Same here... But that has nothing to do with what I am talking about.

My point has been.. Why was she allowed to see the news? Why does their even need to be a TV in the medical commons area? Did a prison employee take her to see the news? Was it inadvertant? Could this have been handled better? Should her attorney been present when she was told to parlay these types of allegations by the attorney?

What is wrong with questioning the process and procedure?

There is nothing wrong with questioning it.
But, expecting to get an honest answer is another matter.

 

[Chilly Willy]

There is nothing wrong with questioning it.
But, expecting to get an honest answer is another matter.

You think the prison officials are lying?

 

[MarleneM]

Maybe someone just did it because they could. Maybe it was worth it just to see JB vent on the court that he didn't get to tell KC the news. Maybe someone figured the video would never make it into court even if what they gambled on was revealed. Maybe someone is getting a kick outta putting JB in the position of "prove it", and maybe the end, to "them", justified their means. Maybe...but without any proof to the contrary, I guess we'll never know.

 

[whiteangora]

You think the prison officials are lying?

I'm not going to say that, but they will always have a way to answer so that they do not implicate themselves.
Baez accused them of a set up at the hearing and you heard their response.

 

[ecs5298]

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Why even risk having Casey hear this on the NEWS?
Why give BAEZ anything to chew on?

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I agree with most of what you're saying, IB but I have to say that if the SA's office is going to pursue this case being cautious of giving JB anything to chew on, then they're not going to be able to pursue anything because JB is going to protest everything they do. That's the nature of the defense attorney. The SA's office is going to do what they think is best and the the defense is going to try and protest every little thing. The whole case does not hinge on this one little piece of video but it sure is rattling the defenses cage.

Whether it was a set up or not, we will never know, since no one is going to admit to a conspiracy. Like I said before, if JB didn't want the reaction seen then maybe his client shouldn't have reacted the way she did. Especially since she wasn't reacting to the news that her poor little baby had been found dead. She had plenty of time to show emotions toward Caylee and never could muster even a tear. It's her own grave that she dug, now she has to ly in it.

JMHO as always.

 

[Cat13067]

KC must have been watching television from her cell when the news came on about remains being found on Surbuban Drive. Remember KC had a radio in her cell and also mentioned that she could see part of the television from her cell. After she heard/saw what was found in the woods on Suburban Drive she freaked out, and asked for a sedative. She was then taken to the infirmary by a prison guard, and the television was on which is normal in the infirmary. The nurse gave her a sedative. As for Baez being allowed in the infirmary it is against prison policy that is why he was told he would have to wait ten minutes in case KC has a reaction to the medication. So, he waited the nurse brings KC into the infirmary hallway "which is a common area" and Baez is permitted to see KC. Why Baez is making such a big deal out of this attorney/client privledge is nonsense. If the tape contained atorney/client let the judge review it, and make his ruling.

 

[Tiki]

I read this somewhere (maybe here) or maybe heard someone on NG say it. I think it might be right.

The jail tapes certain areas all the time - even the client-atty meeting rooms - for safety. It makes sense to me that the infirmary might be one of those areas - I don't think the guards really trust any of the inmates.

The general mode of operation is, likely, to tape over them, but in certain cases, when there may be a high probability of appeal or some other trouble ahead - they might keep some.

When I was studying journalism (years ago) it was legal to tape and use a conversation, here in NY, as long as ONE person in the room knew it was being taped, so I think the police and SA can do what they want with the tapes - it's no secret they are being taped. I don't buy that JB didn't know it.

I don't think the content is supposed to be leaked, tho'. That gave JB a reason to shout about it. Maybe that triggered the "STOP the LEAKS" order.
JMHO

 

[Chilly Willy]

I read this somewhere (maybe here) or maybe heard someone on NG say it. I think it might be right.

The jail tapes certain areas all the time - even the client-atty meeting rooms - for safety. It makes sense to me that the infirmary might be one of those areas - I don't think the guards really trust any of the inmates.

The general mode of operation is, likely, to tape over them, but in certain cases, when there may be a high probability of appeal or some other trouble ahead - they might keep some.

When I was studying journalism (years ago) it was legal to tape and use a conversation, here in NY, as long as ONE person in the room knew it was being taped, so I think the police and SA can do what they want with the tapes - it's no secret they are being taped. I don't buy that JB didn't know it.

I don't think the content is supposed to be leaked, tho'. That gave JB a reason to shout about it. Maybe that triggered the "STOP the LEAKS" order.
JMHO

Florida is a two-party consent state, meaning both parties must consent to the taping. I have not heard JB say he was not aware that Casey might be filmed, just that the video should not be released.

 

[Oakley]

I think the reason they took her to the nurse's station was a preventative measure. If any of the other inmates decided to taunt her with the news before she was able to learn it for herself, and she had an adverse reaction in her cell, that would have created a large problem. JMO.

 

[Tiki]

Florida is a two-party consent state, meaning both parties must consent to the taping. I have not heard JB say he was not aware that Casey might be filmed, just that the video should not be released.

Good it's two-party - I hope NY has changed it by now.
Maybe I was OT- I think JB said that he didn't know about taping the atty-client meeting rooms, which would be the other tape he doesn't want released, right?

 

[ibyoungr]

I read his poorly written motion. IIRC, It seemed he wasn't worried so much about taping as he was about the fact the tape was kept and not recorded over and tapes are generally recycled on a regular basis. The taping is primarily supposed to be only for security reasons. He was also concerned about their possibly being audio. The prison is not really supposed to tape what they are saying.

My GUESS.. is that the audio was off and Baez is just whining.

 

[MaryAnn]

My concern is.. Why did they have Casey watching T.V news at this VERY MOMENT??:waitasec:
They had to take her to "see" the TV. This is not like Casey was watching TV and the news came on. This is like.... We found the body.. it is on the news.. take Casey to watch the news in a Video Survellianced area so we can catch her reaction. Kinda seems staged doesn't it???

Meanwhile, we were being told that she was in her cell and a prision minister told her the news. :yes:

I am not for Casey by a long shot. But why why why.... did they have her watching tv at this very moment??? I thought that she was taken to a medical area.. told the news and video taped because that specific area is always video taped. Geez, why did they let her find out by watching the news? :tsktsk:

This is the only place I think the prison screwed up. I also think the prision guard yakked to much to family, friends and the news... just for a little attention. "sources say" and all that jazz. I also think this is the very reason that LE sent a strong message about leaks. They know Uncer... LEAKED.

Should the SA or LE question the guard about her reaction... YES. Could they have broke the news to her more professionally? YES.
Did they mean to "set this up"? It is questionable because... why was she let out to ge the news from the TV???? :tsktsk:

Casey was also watching TV when Leonard Padilla was looking for Caylee at Blanchard Park. That was when Casey turned her head and walked away and couldn't care less. Who knew she would react the way she did when they found Caylee close to her home. I don't think the jail did anything wrong. Caylee is hanging herself. She's so stupid!! :behindbar