2008.12.25 Is it a Book in the Woods?

  • #201
No problem. I was just trying to help.
I appreciate that, thank you. We ran into this with music lyrics also. We cannot post all the lyrics to a song,but fair use allows us to post a portion for discussion, not for profit, and provide a link to the source.
I used to post at another site where they did not monitor the article and printed material copyright laws and boy did they get in a boatload of trouble.
 
  • #202
I appreciate that, thank you. We ran into this with music lyrics also. We cannot post all the lyrics to a song,but fair use allows us to post a portion for discussion, not for profit, and provide a link to the source.
I used to post at another site where they did not monitor the article and printed material copyright laws and boy did they get in a boatload of trouble.

I just hated to see NonnaB do all that scanning for nothing. :)
 
  • #203
So glad you asked that. Just for the sake of theorizing, suppose for a moment that one of the reasons for LE's last surprise search at the A's is that they were looking for duplicates of items they found with Caylee's remains--like that book, for example.

I really feel like LE thinks CA has been covering up, and they're after her, too, for obstruction, destruction, tampering, misleading or whatever.

It's just a thought.

Oh, and Merry Christmas, everyone.

Cindy would have had to do some serious looking to find a duplicate of that book. It's out of print. A few of us looked for it recently and found one or two used copies but that was it.
 
  • #204
I also agree that they have much more than this.(IMO its the necklace) However, the book is HUGE I think esp. since KC actually mentions it in the "phone call":bang:

It is the necklace. How do you think they got in the house? LE can't just barge into anyone's house and call it a crime scene. The necklace connects everything.
 
  • #205
WHOA.........I forgot about that.........I would guess she told Cindy that so she would not have to explain why she never took clean clothes for Caylee, but you are right, it may be to set up the "duplicate" theory.

I just don't believe they will stick with the zanny story though the trial. It is not going to work, and I believe they will go more with attacks on LE and the evidence. They could not even get their family to believe the zanny story, so to use it in court would be suicide.

I never understood her comments to mean that Zanny had actual duplicates of the exact things Caylee had at home, but that she had "a" car seat in the car so Casey didn't have to haul hers around, etc.
 
  • #206
It just seems like CA would have done more to try and find Caylee if she thought Caylee was in a dangerous situation.If CA really had been considering getting custody of Caylee it would have been the perfect time to do it.Of course legal actions cost money and that may have been part of CA not going forward with that.
I'm just really bothered that the grandparents,who basically had Caylee with them every day,let a month go by.They knew Casey didn't have a place to live .Why didn't they look for Caylee sooner?

Look for Caylee sooner?
They NEVER looked for Caylee; well, maybe Lee did in his role as PI.

This all stinks.
 
  • #207
Don't you think it is possible that they were trying to get KC to grow up and accept responsibility for herself and Caylee? I think this is why they weren't overly concerned at first. Then as time went by and CA had not seen Caylee or talked to her CA was getting concerned. I am tying all this into the emails that were posted on another thread.

On June 24th, KC texted a friend saying she hadn't been at the house (her house) in 9 days. Again that takes us back to the 15th. I really think everyone is making too much over the original incorrect date of June 9th. Bottom line is, the last independent sighting of Caylee is June 15th.


If the items were in the (double Bag of plastic) then they were not in the elements. Right?

You are very welcome. The book can be discussed anyway we want,debate if it is or isn't,what it means, what it doesn't mean, if it is a book at all and what the possibilities are.

But we cannot say that LE has confirmed it as Caylee's book until LE confirms it is Caylee's book.

Just to clarify because I have gotten a pm.
The original title of the thread was that a news station reported that LE had confirmed that the book was the same one. But there is no record of LE confirming that so that leaves us to discuss all the possibilities of that picture in the photo.

I never understood her comments to mean that Zanny had actual duplicates of the exact things Caylee had at home, but that she had "a" car seat in the car so Casey didn't have to haul hers around, etc.

ITA w everyone's comments above! JMO

I think that the fall out between KC and CA was the 9th....KC stayed away from the house and stayed with her friends....but on the 15 KC lets CA take Caylee to see papa....but comes and picks her up they have words again KC ....grabs diaper bag/back pack that had all the things in it from that day seeing papa.....like the yellow book...Caylee also had a coloring book, crayons and sippy cup....Im curious if those things were found at the scene.......

I really believe that because of the big fight on the 8th....KC and Caylee leave on the 9th........that is why that date stood out to CA...
KC clearly said I havent seen my daughter for 31 days
and in a message she said she hadnt been home for 9 days.....which would also be the 15th of June

the 15th and 8th both fall on a Sunday......I think papa birthday is the 8th or 9th and Fathers day is on the 15th......

it had been over a month....Im sure CA didnt mark her calander when the last day KC-Caylee left.....CA just remembers that they had a hudge fight...and KC-Caylee left and didnt come back home....

If the yellow book is the same book....good for LE.....if LE find that book at the house....replaced....bad for CA-GA-KC.....CA said nothing was missing from the house....if LE finds receipts for anything that had been replaced....by KC or the family....ooops

It's logical that the big fight between CA and KC would have followed one of CA's visits to retirement home after she presumably learned KC was draining his assisted living account. I've connected this w Father's Day, altho since CA also reportedly visited there on previous Sunday there may have been another fight following earlier discovery. JMO

If the book is the book from the pictures on the 15th.. I bet KC bout had a spell when the video came out.. I think she had the book and other things in the trunk and they all were smelly, so she dumped them with the body..Never expecting there to be any picture or anything to tie Caylee with that book.. .. I think many things in this case are telling.. including the fact that ca and ga say how they had had a nice evening at home with KC and Caylee on the night of the 15th.. when its come out that there was a big fight that night..
If there was a bathing suit in the bag with the bones I think that would point to kc loading up Caylee in the car after the fight before she was even changed out of the bathing suit, and leaving. and that something happened to her that night..
so sad

(bold mine) OR if there was a bathing suit, and book, in the bag w her daughter's remains, perhaps the logical conclusion is that the bathing suit, and book, were retrieved from the pool--along w her daughter. JMO
 
  • #208
This June 9th information is interesting. Could there have been fights/Casey storming out two weeks in a row? They all did originally say Caylee had been missing since June 9 but we know from the nursing home video she was with Cindy on June 15. Since the police have declared the house a crime scene, I'm assuming that means they believe the murder took place in the house, so that must mean they believe Casey was there on the 15th and perhaps 16th too.

The story about the neighbor hearing the fight on the 15th would put her at the house on that date too.
 
  • #209
^ ^ ^

Did I miss something? When did KC dress up as ZFG?
 
  • #210
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Did I miss something? When did KC dress up as ZFG?
hahaha she didn't as far as we know. But the new stations reported that she did for the longest time. Reporters heard that thrown around as a possibility early on and ran with it. Point is, the journalists don't always keep up on the case and give bad information. Happens all the time.
 
  • #211
Someone was asking the significance of the book. If there was blood on that book, they would go back to the house and find the origin of the blood. If there happens to be a matching book that is out of print, that would show consciousness of guilt that somebody went to a lot of trouble to replace the book.

Most important is what someone pointed out, the last time anyone saw Caylee alive other than K.C. she was reading that book and had that book with her.

One more thing, we have spoken about Caylee looking afraid and hanging on to Grandpa, maybe Cindy said, "it's time to go Caylee, we have to go back to Mama." If Caylee had spent the previous week in the trunk that would explain the look of fear in her eyes that we all noticed. If Caylee did tell Cindy the truth and Cindy did not save her I have no words nor sympathy for her, only for Caylee.
 
  • #212
Someone was asking the significance of the book. If there was blood on that book, they would go back to the house and find the origin of the blood. If there happens to be a matching book that is out of print, that would show consciousness of guilt that somebody went to a lot of trouble to replace the book.

Most important is what someone pointed out, the last time anyone saw Caylee alive other than K.C. she was reading that book and had that book with her.

One more thing, we have spoken about Caylee looking afraid and hanging on to Grandpa, maybe Cindy said, "it's time to go Caylee, we have to go back to Mama." If Caylee had spent the previous week in the trunk that would explain the look of fear in her eyes that we all noticed. If Caylee did tell Cindy the truth and Cindy did not save her I have no words nor sympathy for her, only for Caylee.

I found the book to be of significance when we were still waiting to hear whether this was little Caylee or not. If it was the book - which it appeared to be to me as best as I could tell - this was definitely Caylee. Now that we know it is, the book is of less value I think - unless a duplicate is found - which I doubt. Casey will just say she left the book and Caylee with the nanny. What I want to know is if the book or anything else left at the scene might have decomp evidence on it. I think she dumped the stuff because it was in the trunk with Caylee and probably smelled (if it wasn't already in the bag with her.) Unfortunately they got very wet...so that may have destroyed most if not all of that...but maybe they will get lucky and be able to get something.
 
  • #213
I must've missed something. What is this about a necklace? I thought I was keeping up with this case but I missed the part about the necklace. Can someone please fill me in?
 
  • #214
Maybe June 9th is important because that is the last time until Fathers Day that the A's had seen Caylee. And that is why the whole family was stuck on the June 9th date. I don't remember CA saying KC and Caylee spent night at the A House in June. There were days they were staying at AH and boyfriends apt. I am sure I am in a time warp lol I'm also sure everyone else on here realizes this but it just hit me duh!

I think you are right. I think June 9th was the first time Casey left with Caylee for more than just one night. Though before they may have spent one night at at "Zani's" or some friend's house, they never appeared to stay away longer than that. They were gone the whole week if I recall correctly...and returned just for that weekend before they were off again. I think that is why the date stuck in Cindy's head...she remembers they left on the 9th. I think Casey used it because her mom used it...which means she really had no clue when she got rid of her daughter. Sad.
 
  • #215
hahaha she didn't as far as we know. But the new stations reported that she did for the longest time. Reporters heard that thrown around as a possibility early on and ran with it. Point is, the journalists don't always keep up on the case and give bad information. Happens all the time.

What ever happened to journalism, doesn't anyone clear their information for facts? You know two sources etc. No wonder everyone is so confused about this case. I guess if it isn't in a document you better not believe it. whewwww:mad:
 
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With all due respect - that thread about the necklaces just confused me alot, and has tons of hearsay on it. Padilla said, Casey said, a "friend" said, and on and on. There's nothing confirmed about any of those necklaces, although maybe there is a receipt for the crosses. It's all extremely confusing.

At least we have a picture of what appears to be a book at the actual scene of the remains.
 
  • #218
I must've missed something. What is this about a necklace? I thought I was keeping up with this case but I missed the part about the necklace. Can someone please fill me in?


With all due respect - that thread about the necklaces just confused me alot, and has tons of hearsay on it. Padilla said, Casey said, a "friend" said, and on and on. There's nothing confirmed about any of those necklaces, although maybe there is a receipt for the crosses. It's all extremely confusing.

At least we have a picture of what appears to be a book at the actual scene of the remains.
The topic of this thread is the book..not the necklace. thanks :)
 
  • #219
What ever happened to journalism, doesn't anyone clear their information for facts? You know two sources etc. No wonder everyone is so confused about this case. I guess if it isn't in a document you better not believe it. whewwww:mad:

Do you really want to know? The pressure to scoop and go on air with a story before it's adequately researched, journalism schools filled with professors who never set foot in a newsroom or covered an actual story in their lives, news organizations hiring right out of college newbie reporters because it's cheaper than hiring someone with experience who knows what they're doing.

I could go on and on but that should give you some idea.
 
  • #220
If the items were in the (double Bag of plastic) then they were not in the elements. Right?

News stories have indeed mentioned that the skull fell out of a "sealed bag." However, commen sense tells us the bag, while it may have been sealed, was not intact; the skull could not have fallen out of a sealed, intact bag. And, without getting too gross, IF the book were in the bag with the body, then it was exposed to all kinds of decompostion liquids......

Plus, if the book were in the bag, I don't think we'd have a photo of it lying on the ground, sans bag.



I don't see how we can infer that the book is in perfect condition from that photo- at all. We can barely even make out what is on the cover. I think it is very possible/probable that the cover of the book wasn't torn or damaged in standing water.

I've been in lots of hurricanes, too, although I haven't lost personal possesions in any since Hurricane Betsy. That time, family photos were still hanging on the walls----but they were blank, the pics had washed off-----and the walls were two blocks from where they'd been before. Not one of my childhood books survived. They'd all been submerged, the cardboard covers were swollen and ragged, the pages were stuck together, entire books were black with mildew.

They weren't in pieces, I'll give you that! But they didn't have anything near a 90% angle edge like we see in the photo.

In the area we are discussing, water was covering at least deep enough to submerge a four wheeler for several weeks. Then, when the water subsided, it was back to exposure to heat and humidity, animals and all the ramifications of an outdoor swampy environment......It's possible that this book escaped without mildew, mold, swelling, etc. But it's not probable.

i thought the same thing, what if the book was in the trash bag? whatwould it look like. is that how they found the book. if they find that book in the Anthony house. what does that mean? :waitasec:

If it were in the trash bag, I bet we wouldn't even know about it. Look how long it took us to find out there WERE clothes with the bones!!

If they find a copy of the book at the Anthony home, then the one in the woods probably means nothing. BUT if "the same" book were spotted in the home during an early search, and now it's in the woods, then it means someone knew where the little body was and perhaps took a little love offering......much like you might see a kite left on a child's grave. Then we'd have to know WHO knew, WHEN they knew, etc.

Cindy would have had to do some serious looking to find a duplicate of that book. It's out of print. A few of us looked for it recently and found one or two used copies but that was it.

The whole series is out of print. I found several copies available at Alibris (sp) books----one for EIGHTY BUCKS!!!
 

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