2009.01.08 Greta

  • #21
Greta was doing the same thing last night.....yukking it up after doing a report about a missing mom. She's switched mostly to all things political.....boring!

And she's just off on this. Baez did not win his motion from the court today to get anything from Tim Miller.

There is a jurisdictional issue being that he's from out of Texas. And there was mention of possibly Baez having to at some point file for a subpeona if he wants the record from TES!

There was no order from the judge today in favor of Baez in relation to the TES searches.

(I was shutting down but this is just too upsetting!!)

Anyone here from TES???
 
  • #22
If I am going to trust ANYONE in this case, it's Tim Miller. I trust what he is saying and his integrity. I wish JB wasn't such a jerk and maybe he could have asked before Tim hears it from somewhere else. Getting his information is not good and he may have misunderstood, but he does not need anymore hassle from this travesty!!!
 
  • #23
hmmmmmmmm isn't it 2009??? LOL (title)
Seriously TM makes sense and I do think he is a good guy.
TM is looking bad lately, I think it is his health an he keeps working
so hard. IMO
 
  • #24
ZG talk now..Her lawyer said KC got her name (& her kids) off that card at Sawgrass..ZG hasn't met her EVER!

Casey said Zanny had no children. I believe LE got the names of the kids off the card at Sawgrass.
 
  • #25
Greta talked about Natalie Holloway every single day and her show revolved around that story. I wonder if the brass at Fox won't let her do the same with Caylee's story or is she just not that interested???
 
  • #26
Casey said Zanny had no children. I believe LE got the names of the kids off the card at Sawgrass.

Casey used those exact 2 children's names though, only she said they were ZG's roommates. (And yes, there's a link on here somewhere where I read that.)
 
  • #27
Casey used those exact 2 children's names though, only she said they were ZG's roommates. (And yes, there's a link on here somewhere where I read that.)

No, the two roomates names were different. They were not the names of the children.
 
  • #28
And she's just off on this. Baez did not win his motion from the court today to get anything from Tim Miller.

There is a jurisdictional issue being that he's from out of Texas. And there was mention of possibly Baez having to at some point file for a subpeona if he wants the record from TES!

There was no order from the judge today in favor of Baez in relation to the TES searches.

(I was shutting down but this is just too upsetting!!)

Anyone here from TES???

The judge did not rule in favor of Baez today on the TES information, but I imagine the very idea is upsetting to Tim Miller. Most importantly, there was no notice of any of this motion and hearing to TES, which is not an entity under the control of the prosecutors. TEs is entitled to due process and to be heard on the issue before the court rules. JB has to come back and try again. I doubt he will ever get to go on a fishing expedition through TES records, lists of volunteers, etc.
 
  • #29
Casey used those exact 2 children's names though, only she said they were ZG's roommates. (And yes, there's a link on here somewhere where I read that.)

No, Casey said their names were Raquel and Jennifer, IIRC. She also said ZFG's sister's name was Samantha. NOT the names on the card at Sawgrass.
 
  • #30
Ok. Baez's argument is sound here. If TM did get cooperation and information from LE and IF OSCO paid for any of the search, he was acting as their agent. As such, OSCO would be responsible to obtain their agent's records and reports and turn them over to Baez.

Baez asked that he be allowed to file an SDT to get TES's records. TES is in TX and the court has no jurisdiction over TES in Texas. Baez should have talked to TM first, to see if he would voluntarily turn over copies of whatever to Baez. He is not asking for copies of every sign-up document, or even any information about the searchers. He wants the information that TES used to determine search sites, days of searches, the identity of every area searched and any reports TM may have made of the day's search and findings. It is not a huge burden and if he wants, he can take it all to Kinko's at Mr. Baez's expense and Mr. Baez's paralegal will stand and watch as copies are made, so that none get "released". This happens all day every day in the practice of law.

It was insulting to even suggest that a member of the Bar might himself sell photos of Caylee's skeleton. He has every right to be insulted, personally. Sometimes the State forgets they must also adhere to the Rules of Professional Responsibility, Counduct and The Canons of Ethics. Some States now have Rules of Professional Behavior.

YOU just do not accuse Bar members of anything without some PROOF! And you surely do not imply it in pleadings. I am sorry that both sides have been guilty of this behavior.

As far as the Judge being on JB's "side", LP - DUH! - yes, he was, because JB was RIGHT! The State is playing discovery games. They are just doing what we call "papering him to death", meaning make him work for every little teeny morsel of evidence they have gathered in the investigation of his client, despite KCA's unquestionable Consitutional right to have access to everything the State has, will get, can get in the future. How utterly ridiculous to have to fight for that to which you are entitlted.

It serves no purpose. KC has the right to prepare for an adequate defense. "Adequate" means timely access to all evidence collected in this investigation, no matter who has it or may get it soon. Timely means with enough time to examine the evidence and be fully prepared for trial.

The State can't ambush the defendant at Trial with "new evidence" or "previously undisclosed evidence". The problem comes when they withold it because Baez didn't use the magic words, which is sort of the game the SA is playing now and the Judge is letting her get away with a bit of it. He is giving her extensions - again. If the State's position is that they didn't turn it over because of the form of Baez's request or their interpretation of it's meaning, then !voila'! - appellate issue. Stupid to play like this.

Ask for an extension and reduce the agreement between the parties to writing and then follow through. Act like Ladies and Gentlemen of the Bar.
 
  • #31
Tim has really been looking like he is really sick. He looked fine in the very begining of this case. I think little Caylee's death and the Anthony family reactions have taken a very heavy toll on Tim. I just hope he does not become another victim of Casey. He is a very good man and he helps so many people.God Bless him and all the members of TES
 
  • #32
Ok. Baez's argument is sound here. If TM did get cooperation and information from LE and IF OSCO paid for any of the search, he was acting as their agent. As such, OSCO would be responsible to obtain their agent's records and reports and turn them over to Baez.

Baez asked that he be allowed to file an SDT to get TES's records. TES is in TX and the court has no jurisdiction over TES in Texas. Baez should have talked to TM first, to see if he would voluntarily turn over copies of whatever to Baez. He is not asking for copies of every sign-up document, or even any information about the searchers. He wants the information that TES used to determine search sites, days of searches, the identity of every area searched and any reports TM may have made of the day's search and findings. It is not a huge burden and if he wants, he can take it all to Kinko's at Mr. Baez's expense and Mr. Baez's paralegal will stand and watch as copies are made, so that none get "released". This happens all day every day in the practice of law.

It was insulting to even suggest that a member of the Bar might himself sell photos of Caylee's skeleton. He has every right to be insulted, personally. Sometimes the State forgets they must also adhere to the Rules of Professional Responsibility, Counduct and The Canons of Ethics. Some States now have Rules of Professional Behavior.

YOU just do not accuse Bar members of anything without some PROOF! And you surely do not imply it in pleadings. I am sorry that both sides have been guilty of this behavior.

As far as the Judge being on JB's "side", LP - DUH! - yes, he was, because JB was RIGHT! The State is playing discovery games. They are just doing what we call "papering him to death", meaning make him work for every little teeny morsel of evidence they have gathered in the investigation of his client, despite KCA's unquestionable Consitutional right to have access to everything the State has, will get, can get in the future. How utterly ridiculous to have to fight for that to which you are entitlted.

It serves no purpose. KC has the right to prepare for an adequate defense. "Adequate" means timely access to all evidence collected in this investigation, no matter who has it or may get it soon. Timely means with enough time to examine the evidence and be fully prepared for trial.

The State can't ambush the defendant at Trial with "new evidence" or "previously undisclosed evidence". The problem comes when they withold it because Baez didn't use the magic words, which is sort of the game the SA is playing now and the Judge is letting her get away with a bit of it. He is giving her extensions - again. If the State's position is that they didn't turn it over because of the form of Baez's request or their interpretation of it's meaning, then !voila'! - appellate issue. Stupid to play like this.

Ask for an extension and reduce the agreement between the parties to writing and then follow through. Act like Ladies and Gentlemen of the Bar.[/QUOTE

Didnt Mr.Baez say once Caylee was found we all would understand and Casey would tell all. While I agree it may seem like they are making him work for what he wants, All the money that was spent because his spitefull bi&ch casey wasted a lot of money and manpower when she could have just told the truth from the very start............JMO
 
  • #33
:clap: :clap: :clap:
I agree 100% with you Dots!

Here's hoping that the SA has made JB's job harder for a while and is now tired of toying with him and will now get down to preparing for a trial that will not have any loop holes that might jeopardize the out come of this case.
 
  • #34
Greta has TOTALLY disappointed me in her "coverage", or rather lack thereof, of this case.. and when she does, it seems like its treated so lightly.. and brief. I dont know if its her or her bosses.. but i would bet her ratings have fallen big time.

I felt really badly for Tim Miller on the show.. He just looks so worn down.. and I hope his health is okay.. As one of the previous posters said.. Tim and his team (along with all the volunteers) have done a gazillion times more in attempts to find little Caylee than any of her family members did. Just really sucks that for all his hard work and effort, now he has to worry about the names/addresses of innocent volunteers getting out.. Im sure it concerns him not only for those people themselves, but also about it acting as a deterrent for future searches that need volunteers.
I just felt really badly for him...
 
  • #35
I certainly don't think SA should make things easy for Baez- he should be held to normal standards and procedures with regard to written requests and details of what he wants to see.

Seems to me Baez wants the state to do all of his legwork and they should not.
 
  • #36
Casey used those exact 2 children's names though, only she said they were ZG's roommates. (And yes, there's a link on here somewhere where I read that.)

Casey is so up s**** creek! :D
 
  • #37
and IIRC the person who originally called TM to Orlando was CA cause she thought he would only look for alive Caylee and then she got mad when he was looked to deceased Caylee, so just because LE gave him $5,000.00 to stay and keep looking does not mean is is an agent of LE, you can bet your bottom dollar that when JB wants to complain that LE let TM see where the remains were located he will just call him an avarage citizen..And it was clearly stated that TM could turn over whatever he wanted to to JB and that JB would have to be happy with whatever he got...So if it was TM I would turn over just the bare minumum to the defense something tells me that TM will want to be no help to that side of the case...
 
  • #38
  • #39
Interesting...says Zanieda has 6 kids. When she filled out visitor card at sawgrass, she listed just two of those children. LE used those exact two children's name when questioning ZFG. Saying that he believes KC did get the ZFG info from the Sawgrass info card.

Could be that she was trying to rent a farily small apt and most complexes wont allow more than a certain number of "known" occupants.

If she listed 6 kids plus herself, she probably would have been turned away.
 
  • #40
Casey said Zanny had no children. I believe LE got the names of the kids off the card at Sawgrass.

I know, I remember that is what KC said in the beginning. Then it gets a little confusing to me because Zanny's attorney says that Zanaida's name, make of her car, and two of her six children's name were given to police alledgedly by KC.

(starts at4:55)

http://www.wftv.com/video/17549823/index.html

Then you also have the offical documents from KC's countersuit that specifically state"

“The information was different in a number of materials ways; specifically, that Zenaida Gonzales that Ms. Anthony was referring to drove a different car; she had a different name and she had less children than the Plaintiff has. The Plaintiff has six (6) children, the Zenaida Gonzalez identified by the Defendant has two (2) kids.”

http://www.wftv.com/news/17983147/detail.html

So it appears, at least officially, that KC is now claiming that Zanny did indeed have two children.
 

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