2009.01.21 Document Release: Forensic Evidence

[racegirl72]

If Casey moved Caylee in AL's vehicle, then I would think that it would've smelled like it had a dead body in the damn car too....:waitasec:

 

[maza]

There would be no reason to test Tony's vehicle for decomp. They found no evidence in and it didn't reek of death when they inspected it. Nothing suspect, no reason to keep the vehicle. He voluntarily brought the vehicle in for inspection.

:waitasec: I R confused... they did test AL's jeep for blood, correct? if they found no evidence, would they test for blood? (why test for blood but not decomp?) :waitasec:

 

[AZlawyer]

Regarding Casey's clothes that reacted to the forensic light, I believe laundry detergent that doesn't rinse out properly will react that way.

 

[magic-cat]

Just to be nitpicky, they tested for blood and it came back negative. I don't believe we have seen a DNA determination made one way or another.

That's what I thought...they had done the test on the stain for blood. If there IS a negative DNA test on the stain please provide a link?

The Pontiac - no prints inside the trunk. At least one latent print found on outside.

That is just crazy that there would only be one single fingerprint on the trunk-especially considering that you have to touch the trunk each and every time you close it. Inside, I can see there being nothing, but NONE on the outside? Someone did a very thorough cleanup!

The list of DVD that was taken into evidence. Why DVD's? Unless the A's found them and had never seen them before....when my son was living at home I would not be able to tell you half of what he owned or borrowed from friends and what do they have to do with the eveidence about Caylee anyway. I just don't have a clue. What am I not catching about the DVD's?

They took the movie videos to isolate the various prints that would have been on them. Of course ALL the household members prints would likely have been on some of the videos since they would all put movies on for Caylee at one time or another. I don't know if Caylee's would have been on them or not-she was so small they may have kept them out of her reach to keep them from getting scratched or to keep her from hurting herself on the cases. But they took a whole slew of stuff that COULD have Caylee's prints so I am pretty certain they are looking for those specifically.:furious:

 

[Starfish]

IDK....still seems odd to me, since we know this trunk was in & out of quite
often.

Even the ONE print on the outside doesn't sound right, GA was in the trunk that day.

(I've just always thought the car looked way too clean to have been sitting in the tow yard 15/16 days)

GA admitted that he throughly cleaned the car when he brought it back from the tow yard. LA stated that GA took great pride in keeping all the family auto's clean, said it was because of his past in the car dealer business.

 

[maza]

DVDs: another reason is maybe to look for a home or inappropriate DVD hidden in a real case?

my bf hides an "adult movie" in an Ace Ventura DVD case
(he doesn't know i know tho :crazy: stoopid boy)

 

[Starfish]

I realize this is probably a silly question considering all the lies that have been told to & all the info that has been withheld from LE by the Anthony's, but I'll ask anyway. Have the Anthony's been asked to identify any of the clothing found, both in the bag with the remains and the VIP cap, as well as the pooh blanket?

 

[JWG]

I scoured the forensic narratives, FBI submission, and FBI results, and was surprised to see that the trunk swabs were not submitted for DNA analysis. They were tested for blood, but that is it.

On July 23, two stains were swabbed using sterile water from the trunk of AL's jeep. These stains were tested for blood - none was detected.

No further testing is mentioned on these stains in the reports.

On July 28, two swabs were taken from both sides of the trunk liner removed from KC's Pontiac. These were identified as FBI submission Q13. The FBI received these on July 30 and labeled them as Q13 and Q14. These were examined for blood and none was found.

No further testing is mentioned on these stains in the reports.

 

[Hot Dogs]

JWG, am I right in understanding that it was sections/samples of the Pontiac trunk liner (stain) that were the substrate source for human decomposition testing by the Body Farm and FBI? Also true for chloroform trace analysis?

All those decomp/chloro test results from previous doc dumps originated with the Pontiac trunk liner material, yes?

 

[JWG]

JWG, am I right in understanding that it was sections/samples of the Pontiac trunk liner (stain) that were the substrate source for human decomposition testing by the Body Farm and FBI? Also true for chloroform trace analysis?

All those decomp/chloro test results from previous doc dumps originated with the Pontiac trunk liner material, yes?

Hi HD,

Yes, you are correct. The only recorded test I can find on AL's trunk was for blood.

The Pontiac trunk liner has been sectioned and tested and is the source of the results we have seen.

 

[shadow of my mind]

Something that I notice and found odd was the fact that the cheese containers were being looked at. First why so many all in the same garbage bag and what would they be looking at them so closely for as opposed to.. say the soda cans. I can see looking for hairs or such that was in the bag to see whose they may be... but cheese. I don't get it.

Can you tell I wouldn't be good at forensics?

 

[Brini]

Surely they did search for squirrel bones, but found nothing and knew they would find nothing as the story is so redicoulous and as you stated when you run over an animal the car does not smell like decomp, maybe maybe the tire might and that is a big maybe.

However did she directly say to LE that she ran over squirrels or just to Amy H?

The dead squirrels climbed into the engine, and died (again).

Any little dead-squirrle-skeleton paw prints, in the dust and grease? ;-)

 

[essies]

DVDs: another reason is maybe to look for a home or inappropriate DVD hidden in a real case?

my bf hides an "adult movie" in an Ace Ventura DVD case
(he doesn't know i know tho :crazy: stoopid boy)

That's a real possibility! Also, they might be looking for the horse and any other ones that might be part of a set. They might be looking for stickers, letters, matching clothes, caps, and bedding! Plus, I'm sure we haven't heard everything yet-thank God! I need a break between these doc dumps just so I can catch my breath and prepare for the next round of discovery!

 

[fortytwo]

Well we know no blood was found from that report. Now, there may be another report that shows what was found.

Here is a link that explains what all Ultra Lite will find. Hope this helps.

Ultra-Lite™-ALS, is a forensic light used for detecting trace evidence at crime scenes or in the lab. Ultra Lite™ ALS represents the culmination of nearly a decade of forensic research and design work. The scientists involved in the research and design have extensive experience in forensic light design. The result of this work and collaboration is the UltraLite™-ALS bringing forth 6 major breakthroughs in forensic light technology.

Link:http://www.caogroup.com/PDF/MD/Forensic/UltraliteALS_info_sheet.pdf

OH! I didn't know this! I was thinking "ultra" light meant "ultra-violet" light...UV light - my brain is way too tired to learn anymore today!!

You were thinking okay. The gizmo generates several different wavelengths of light, depending on requirements. UV is one.

Here's a product brochure from the manufacturer:
http://www.ultralite-als.com/Product/file/ALS_brochure.pdf

 

[JWG]

Something that I notice and found odd was the fact that the cheese containers were being looked at. First why so many all in the same garbage bag and what would they be looking at them so closely for as opposed to.. say the soda cans. I can see looking for hairs or such that was in the bag to see whose they may be... but cheese. I don't get it.

Can you tell I wouldn't be good at forensics?

Shadow,

The person who inspected the cheese containers in December is from the defense team. I am guessing he was trying to determine if spoiled cheese might be the source of the smell and insect interest.

 

[Hot Dogs]

Investigators didn't know that duct tape was involved with Caylee until they found the remains. When they then called to examine the knife found in the car (first called a dinnerware knife, then later a stainless steel knife) they may have been looking for tape adhesive residue. It's difficult to cut duct tape with a knife or scissors without getting any of the sticky "glue" on the blade. That stuff doesn't easily come off with soapy water. It often requires a solvent to remove it from metal. They may have wanted a close look to see if any sticky tape residue remained, even after the knife may have been washed.

 

[tx_Dot]

GA admitted that he throughly cleaned the car when he brought it back from the tow yard. LA stated that GA took great pride in keeping all the family auto's clean, said it was because of his past in the car dealer business.

throughly cleaned ??

Wow !!! He "throughly cleans' very fast then ....

WS'ers timeline give him only one hour to drive the car home, remove the battery, & get to work by 300PM

 

[chelle70]

GA admitted that he throughly cleaned the car when he brought it back from the tow yard. LA stated that GA took great pride in keeping all the family auto's clean, said it was because of his past in the car dealer business.

I missed that statement from George!!!! Got a link, please?

 

[nomoresorrow]

GA admitted that he throughly cleaned the car when he brought it back from the tow yard. LA stated that GA took great pride in keeping all the family auto's clean, said it was because of his past in the car dealer business.

Really? I can't see how he could have had time as he went back to work and didn't return home until that night. IIRC CA was on the phone to 911 at the time when he arrived home. (the call to 911 where she reports Caylee missing)Do you have a link to that? TIA.

 

[Gma Kat]

VERY GOOD POINT

page 49 of http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/evidencelists&pics.pdf

I counted 13 HAIRS and a possible fiber after Dr. Lee's inspection were retrieved by Gerardo Bloise

Dr. Lee found 4 HAIRS

Has anyone questioned whether LE thinks those fibers or hairs found AFTER Dr. Lee inspected vehicle may have been planted by defense? After the Phil Spector trial I don't trust Dr. Lee. He was accused of tampering/hiding evidence found at the scene while the defense forensics were inspecting it.