2009.02.27 - Lee's Deposition

[cajun]

So their motive for having media at the memorial is so that KC could see it ? I'm not quite buying that one either.

I buy it. The Casey pins, the Casey/Caylee photo front and center. Cindy giving her tearful speech for Casey, Lee's weird CMA carp, and George telling people to write Casey...Outside of what little George said about her liking green beans and SpongeBob, not much was really said about that poor baby.

 

[azwriter]

You are an honorable man HP. While I have to admit that when other people employ the ole pull thy finger trick - it's hiliarious to me, but not when my own father did it. It damaged me! I have strict orders around my household as an adult - There will be no finger pulling going on around here (in my presence anyway) It's NAUGHTY!

Gypsy, I'm sure you'd like to know there is a company called "Pull My Finger" that offers ring tones for phones that well.. sound like farts. There's a variety to chose from.

 

[star444]

Maybe Tricia can get us some WS tin foil hats to wear. Goes with jammies and hoodies...

Put me down for two. My sis wants one too.
Are they sized or are they adjustable?

I'm guessing they would be "one size fits all" with the wonderful "scrunch option". :woohoo:

 

[Sunshine52]

LEE never took the 5th on any questions.........I am shocked at that one!

Catching up...
New Poster here...I don't believe you can invoke the 5th unless it is for all questions...and if you invoke the 5th...you cannot answer one question...if you do the 5th goes out the window.

Sorry if this has already been addressed.

 

[AlwaysShocked]

"Luka failed miserably in Dep Prep. What happened to teaching deponents the four basic acceptable responses to a question ("I don't know," "I don't recall," "yes" and "no")? Instructing them to never volunteer information?"

Last year I had to give a deposition in a civil matter. My attorney told me that a deposition is much different than a trial, that the lawyer(s) asking the questions would be allowed to ask a much broader range of questions than they would be allowed to do in a court room. He also told me that they are "fishing" for information at a deposition and the deal is that they want to get you on record saying as much as they can get you to say about anything at all related to the incident at hand.

The lawyer told me that if the questioning attorneys started to go "too far afield" from the case in their questions that he would object, but that he would most likely not be objecting much because the other lawyers already know what they can and can't ask. He also stressed for me to answer truthfully but BRIEFLY using the words "Yes" "No" "I can't remember" or "I do not recall". He also very STRONGlY advised me to NOT expand on an answer and to not attempt to explain an answer. To just answer Yes or No and then SHUT UP! (He knew me enough by then to know that I have a tendency to run at the mouth a little)

I was a little surprised to see that Lee's attorney objected so little when it did seem that Morgan was getting off into areas unrelated to the defamation case. But when Lukas did object, Morgan certainly seemed able to justify the reason for asking the question and I would assume Morgan is experienced enough to know what areas the Florida courts will allow or not allow to be questioned at a deposition.

Lee sure seems to like to run at the mouth and I'm sure Morgan just loved that. The giving Lee the little "compliments" - "You're quite the detective" -along the way seemed to spur him on. I thought Morgan was very, very good.

Hard to tell if Lee's lawyer was particularly bad or if he just knew that what was being asked would be allowed anyways so there was no point in objecting.

In any case, a deposition is NOT a trial, and different rules apply.

I would love to hear from some of the attorneys who post here about their take on deposition and what can and can't be questioned. Is it different in different states, different courts, etc?

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

Sometimes I think this family is a Gov experiment gone terribly wrong. Could be on that other planet people do key walls and have cell pony's.

:rotfl:

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Yes I didn't think of that. I'm just not letting KC speak!(to me)

So on Caylee's birthday., with the Dopey one in jail, FZFG got past international medial and live Fox Cams to sneak into the Ant home and snatch the only copy of instructions?

I think I may have hit on something!

The mysterious "man" that came to eat chili was in fact FZFG in disguise.

We need to get the photo sleuths to fid a photo.

ooooooie, maybe there is some deeper relevance to the visitor. Another read between the lines communication from A's to KC.

 

[natsound]

It's almost like this is all a movie. It's all for our entertainment. The content of the questions that had little to do with Zenaida, the amount of questions, Lee's answers, Luka's failure to exhibit any control of the situation for his client. The fact that we're watching this extremely important deposition 24 hours later, as if it's a coffee shop conversation. This case has honestly entered the twilight zone.

 

[amethyst221]

For what it's worth, a deposition for discovery purposes is not limited to asking undoubtedly, obvious relevant questions. You are allowed to discover things that might lead to other things that are relevant, and you can always explore the credibility and bias of ANY witness. You have to also take into account that very inarticulate and evasive witnesses take longer to depose.

What LA revealed is that he has no first hand knowledge of ZG, but is merely repeating Casey's stories, for the most part. The fact he has no such knowledge is important, and casts doubt on whether any nanny really exists. I thought it was also interesting (and LA clearly knew about this!) that members of the general public who heard news reports about who Casey accused, and who are also familiar with MySpace, etc., actually believed that the plaintiff ZG might be the kidnapper, and contacted LA about it.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

SNIP

Body language is interesting. Dr. Lillian Glass is the one who said that Lee was very deceptive in his deposition and that touching his nose and nodding his head no when he was saying yes were signs.

I'm sure he was checking its length.

:liar::liar::liar::liar::liar:

 

[diz39]

Can someone answer a question, please? Luka said several times during the depo that he was going to "certify" (?) a question. What does that mean?
TIA
Sorry if asked and answered.

 

[SuziQ]

Sorry I'm a little behind in my reading/listening/watching so forgive me if this has been said over and over again

WTH is up with Luka allowing this line of questioning???

I'll bet LE is really enjoying this! :woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

Seriously, in a depo anything can be asked. All an attorney can do is object for the record, but the person being deposed has to answer. This depo was a cakewalk for Lee compared to what most people go through.

 

[natsound]

I have a strong sense now that Lee's promise to CMA (which I do believe was Caylee) was that he would stand by her Mother. I don't know why, but after watching the depo, that thought kept playing thru my mind....

I'm now thinking it was for dramatic effect alone. The actual words he spoke about CMA and his explanation in the deposition don't add up... unless he believes KC and Caylee are one in the same and he's "proud" of them both, and they both teach him how to be strong, how to be weak.... nope. Frankly, I don't think LA himself knew what he was talking about.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

OT, how come my posts have "edit", which I use all the time, but other's don't?

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

Oh plz, it was Zanny the hacker, dontcha know?

Yep - but when ?

 

[Friday]

Lee; She's going to do whatever what she feels she needs to protect her child. And if that means lying to me I hope she continues to do.

Oh this is just maddness.

All kidding aside, that IS an insane statement from him, inasmuch as he's wearing a bracelet containing the cremated remains of "her child." This "verb tense-switching" really is a reliable indication of deception, isn't it.

 

[amethyst221]

"Luka failed miserably in Dep Prep. What happened to teaching deponents the four basic acceptable responses to a question ("I don't know," "I don't recall," "yes" and "no")? Instructing them to never volunteer information?"

Last year I had to give a deposition in a civil matter. My attorney told me that a deposition is much different than a trial, that the lawyer(s) asking the questions would be allowed to ask a much broader range of questions than they would be allowed to do in a court room. He also told me that they are "fishing" for information at a deposition and the deal is that they want to get you on record saying as much as they can get you to say about anything at all related to the incident at hand.

The lawyer told me that if the questioning attorneys started to go "too far afield" from the case in their questions that he would object, but that he would most likely not be objecting much because the other lawyers already know what they can and can't ask. He also stressed for me to answer truthfully but BRIEFLY using the words "Yes" "No" "I can't remember" or "I do not recall". He also very STRONGlY advised me to NOT expand on an answer and to not attempt to explain an answer. To just answer Yes or No and then SHUT UP! (He knew me enough by then to know that I have a tendency to run at the mouth a little)

I was a little surprised to see that Lee's attorney objected so little when it did seem that Morgan was getting off into areas unrelated to the defamation case. But when Lukas did object, Morgan certainly seemed able to justify the reason for asking the question and I would assume Morgan is experienced enough to know what areas the Florida courts will allow or not allow to be questioned at a deposition.

Lee sure seems to like to run at the mouth and I'm sure Morgan just loved that. The giving Lee the little "compliments" - "You're quite the detective" -along the way seemed to spur him on. I thought Morgan was very, very good.

Hard to tell if Lee's lawyer was particularly bad or if he just knew that what was being asked would be allowed anyways so there was no point in objecting.

In any case, a deposition is NOT a trial, and different rules apply.

I would love to hear from some of the attorneys who post here about their take on deposition and what can and can't be questioned. Is it different in different states, different courts, etc?

Every state has its own civil procedure rules, but they are similar. In a deposition, you can object on relevancy grounds, but the question still has to be answered. A lot of objections are preserved, even if you don't make them at the time, so there is no need to clutter up the transcript or be obstructionist. There are usually a few specified types of objections that must be made at the time or be waived, mostly because they can be corrected at the time. Like an objection to the form of the question. The person asking can fix it and re-ask. There is a very limited basis for an attorney to actually instruct his client not to answer a question. It usually happens with matters that are privileged, since if you let the information out, it is too late and you lose the protection of privilege. the court will have to rule on these.

 

[amysmom]

HaHa! I just hope they rotate...

A rotating hat will just fly off my spinning head so I plan on using mine to puke in!

Seriously! I didn't think this case or the PLAYERS! could get any more BIZARRE! but I should've known better! :waitasec:

 

[SuziQ]

Luka failed miserably in Dep Prep. What happened to teaching deponents the four basic acceptable responses to a question ("I don't know," "I don't recall," "yes" and "no")? Instructing them to never volunteer information?

The family has demonstrated time and again their vulnerability to diarrhea of the mouth. Could Luka not have driven home the need to shut the heck up?

Don't get me wrong--I'm glad that the Anthony family is being given ample rope to hang their murderess. But the caliber of legal representation really makes me cringe.

No wonder there are so many lawyer jokes.

(And now I have that Suzanne Vega, "My name is Luca" song earbugging me...)

Exactly! A good attorney would have said...do not elaborate or offer up info. Answer the question as short and sweet as you can. And if you don't recall say you don't recall. Don't offer up an excuse for not recalling.

 

[AlwaysShocked]

If you have gone back and edited your post - which I also do, usually to correct typos - the "edit" sign appears on your post. When none appears it means the person who wrote the post did not edit it.