2009.03.03 GA suicide note

[Jay D]

I think it's just as likely that Conway wants to suppress this letter because it may implicate his client(s) rather than, or as well as, KC.
Does anyone recall (what seems like ages ago) that it was rumored that GA told a friend of his (and for some reason I'm thinking a former friend from Ohio, maybe in Law Enforcement) that he was so tired of "covering up"? (sorry, I can't find a link)
I'm guessing that if the note contains anything even remotely similar, then it has evidentuary value. But it also may supplement any pending obstruction charges.

 

[BonKai]

I hope they redact parts that are not important to the case. Like I said before, I'm no fan of the A's, but further public humiliation by airing dirty laundry isn't going to accomplish anything. JMO, of course.

I agree; redact anything that is not pertinent to the murder case.

 

[marla]

Personally. I DO NOT think it was a REAL suicide note.........IMO, GA wanted to just go away for awhile. He couldn't take the stress, shopping for 'jewelry', his family........
so he had a couple beers and maybe a few pills, but as I read and see video's.......if GA was really going to do suicide, an ambulence would of been called.........he went to hospital in a police car and stayed at the hospital until he got rested up. IMO

:blowkiss:

 

[BonKai]

I wonder if GA is truly the one who dosen't want this released. Maybe CA is upset by what GA wrote while out of her control and she is the one who is fighting viewing by the public.

Hmm...interesting. :waitasec:

 

[mydailyopinions]

You don't want to read it?? What if it says that deep in his heart he knows that his daughter did this crime. What if he goes on to say that the evidence is pointing to his daughter and he knows her temper, he knows she wanted CA to babysit all the time and that this one time CA said no she wouldn't do it anymore. Huh? What if he is accusing his daughter of murder and says he knows everything out of her mouth is a lie.

I personally think that deep in his heart he knows these things anyways, so I don't need to see it in writing. I think he went on to tell the Grand Jury many of the things you pointed out, plus some, which is one of the reasons she has the charges against her now, so no, I don't need to read those for myself. I think he knows everything out of her mouth is a lie, and he all but told the FBI that, so to see it in writing, I don't need.
George didn't kill Caylee, Casey did, and for that reason, I could care less what he puts in a letter. He don't even know all of what his daughter done. I think he is finding out just about the same way we all are.
From the reports of the Sheriff over in Daytona, the only thing he really said was that he believed his daughter didn't harm Caylee. I have no reason to believe that Sheriff lied for George.

 

[butwhatif?]

The Mental Health Team weren't police though, were they? Are the mental health team professionals trained in dealing with od's? If not, imo, if someone has od'ed or shot themselves or something, it is ludicrous to not get them immediate medical help....minutes can mean life or death.

And I must say, thank goodness you recovered from that....you poor thing. I hope you are feeling a whole lot better now.

Firstly I dont want pity. I want people to understand the nature of suicide and how people with depressive illnesses work.....because there sure aint alot of logic in it.

No, they werent the police but they work with them. And I didnt ask the MHT for their credentials since at that point I was still trying to think of another way to die since the OD didnt work.

Like I said when the police are called- they call the MHT. A shooting would be different. but here in OZ shooting suicides aren't common.Overdose and hanging are. Hanging almost always works- so they carry away the body bag. Overdoses arent nearly as successful...so instead of wasting the time of the ambulance service, they call Mental health....who arrive very quickly anyway.

It would be interesting to see if GA did a pc search on the lethal dose of his BP meds, or any other evidence of planning. I am one of the few that believe GA is not a well man, and never has been. I dont know if he seriously intended on killing himself that night, but I believe it was a real consideration.

None of us know how real GA's attempt, planning or ideation was. But if he staged the whole thing why doesnt he want that note released? Or do you think they are using a reverse psycholgy type thing on us? That we'll believe its real if they pretend they dont want it released?
And just how does GA feeling depressed or suicidal help get his daughter off murder charges? I dont understand that reasoning.

 

[Friday]

I personally think it should be kept private.

The exception would be if LE and/or the SA believes it is relevant to the murder investigation.

I completely agree. But I also want to say that I'm really fed up with hearing from BC about George and Cindy's ongoing legal demands, requirments, stipulations.

 

[azwriter]

He and Cindy probably want to sell it on E-Bay. That's why he wants it kept secret. Increases the value.
jmo

 

[Paintr]

Firstly I dont want pity. I want people to understand the nature of suicide and how people with depressive illnesses work.....because there sure aint alot of logic in it.

No, they werent the police but they work with them. And I didnt ask the MHT for their credentials since at that point I was still trying to think of another way to die since the OD didnt work.

Like I said when the police are called- they call the MHT. A shooting would be different. but here in OZ shooting suicides aren't common.Overdose and hanging are. Hanging almost always works- so they carry away the body bag. Overdoses arent nearly as successful...so instead of wasting the time of the ambulance service, they call Mental health....who arrive very quickly anyway.

It would be interesting to see if GA did a pc search on the lethal dose of his BP meds, or any other evidence of planning. I am one of the few that believe GA is not a well man, and never has been. I dont know if he seriously intended on killing himself that night, but I believe it was a real consideration.

None of us know how real GA's attempt, planning or ideation was. But if he staged the whole thing why doesnt he want that note released? Or do you think they are using a reverse psycholgy type thing on us? That we'll believe its real if they pretend they dont want it released?
And just how does GA feeling depressed or suicidal help get his daughter off murder charges? I dont understand that reasoning.

I'll try to answer your last question. If GA is having mental health issues, then his testimony is questionable in a deposition or in a court of law. We have no idea what GA said before the GJ. He may have said that KC was golden, not one bad word about her, may have lied his ears off , but they indited anyway, or he may have told of all the facts he knew against KC. We do not what he testified to, but I bet CA and BC do and this whole suicide idea may have been staged to taint existing testimony or prevent further testimony.

 

[ThoughtElf]

Having the same attorny complicates matters. If G & C have different wants,requests, needs, whose horse is BC backing in the race?

I have always wished they had different attorney's and wished GA would have split off and stayed with MN.

My bet is CA is still calling the shots, especially with BC. I noted even in yesterday's hearing that it seemed as if all discussion was between CA & BC, not BC and GA.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

If GA elaborated on the' 'Dark veiled friends" of kC's as being a part of the reasons why KC may have murdered Caylee, then his suicide note may possibly be relavent to prosecutors and defense teams.

Do you think these are the people GA said were known and being watched ?

 

[ThoughtElf]

I think it's just as likely that Conway wants to suppress this letter because it may implicate his client(s) rather than, or as well as, KC.
Does anyone recall (what seems like ages ago) that it was rumored that GA told a friend of his (and for some reason I'm thinking a former friend from Ohio, maybe in Law Enforcement) that he was so tired of "covering up"? (sorry, I can't find a link)
I'm guessing that if the note contains anything even remotely similar, then it has evidentuary value. But it also may supplement any pending obstruction charges.

I don't recall hearing about GA telling a friend of his in LE, but I do recall him discussing the strain of keeping up with the front.

I can't recall where or in which thread we discussed that, either.

Anyone?

 

[Paintr]

I have always wished they had different attorney's and wished GA would have split off and stayed with MN.

My bet is CA is still calling the shots, especially with BC. I noted even in yesterday's hearing that it seemed as if all discussion was between CA & BC, not BC and GA.

I noticed that GA didn't say much also. Throw DC into the mix as BC"s client also and I see many problems. GA would have fared better with MN. imo

 

[MAMABEAR]

Having the same attorny complicates matters. If G & C have different wants,requests, needs, whose horse is BC backing in the race?

Looks like BC has one leg over each back and so far has ridden them very well. At lease he has kept CA's mouth shut for awhile. Since he is ridding 2 horses at once --- he better hope horse GA don't slow down any or he will do some "splitting". Doubt it would be pretty. Now that would be embarrassing.

OMG------I need to get off here.

 

[Paintr]

I think it's just as likely that Conway wants to suppress this letter because it may implicate his client(s) rather than, or as well as, KC.
Does anyone recall (what seems like ages ago) that it was rumored that GA told a friend of his (and for some reason I'm thinking a former friend from Ohio, maybe in Law Enforcement) that he was so tired of "covering up"? (sorry, I can't find a link)
I'm guessing that if the note contains anything even remotely similar, then it has evidentuary value. But it also may supplement any pending obstruction charges.

I remember this. The media was in front of the A house. Wasn't the friend a lawyer instead of LE?

Now I really want to see if GA wrote something like this.

 

[ThoughtElf]

Firstly I dont want pity. I want people to understand the nature of suicide and how people with depressive illnesses work.....because there sure aint alot of logic in it.

No, they werent the police but they work with them. And I didnt ask the MHT for their credentials since at that point I was still trying to think of another way to die since the OD didnt work.

Like I said when the police are called- they call the MHT. A shooting would be different. but here in OZ shooting suicides aren't common.Overdose and hanging are. Hanging almost always works- so they carry away the body bag. Overdoses arent nearly as successful...so instead of wasting the time of the ambulance service, they call Mental health....who arrive very quickly anyway.

It would be interesting to see if GA did a pc search on the lethal dose of his BP meds, or any other evidence of planning. I am one of the few that believe GA is not a well man, and never has been. I dont know if he seriously intended on killing himself that night, but I believe it was a real consideration.

None of us know how real GA's attempt, planning or ideation was. But if he staged the whole thing why doesnt he want that note released? Or do you think they are using a reverse psycholgy type thing on us? That we'll believe its real if they pretend they dont want it released?
And just how does GA feeling depressed or suicidal help get his daughter off murder charges? I dont understand that reasoning.

Count me in as one of the few who also believes George is not well and that his 'attempt' did need to be taken seriously, no matter what the popular stance is.

I've said it to you before, and I will say it to you again here. I am very glad you made it through, BWI.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

I have also wondered about that reference( Bold)

Why did Conway wait until now to file this?

That is such a good question. Do you think there is some huge 800# gorilla in the document dump ? Something so huge that JB, BC and, I guess, even poor TL will keep motioning other issue, one at time, to delay it's release ?

 

[Paintr]

Looks like BC has one leg over each back and so far has ridden them very well. At lease he has kept CA's mouth shut for awhile. Since he is ridding 2 horses at once --- he better hope horse GA don't slow down any or he will do some "splitting". Doubt it would be pretty. Now that would be embarrassing.

OMG------I need to get off here.

That's what BC would say in those circumstances. Only much louder! LOL!

 

[MAMABEAR]

I think it's just as likely that Conway wants to suppress this letter because it may implicate his client(s) rather than, or as well as, KC.
Does anyone recall (what seems like ages ago) that it was rumored that GA told a friend of his (and for some reason I'm thinking a former friend from Ohio, maybe in Law Enforcement) that he was so tired of "covering up"? (sorry, I can't find a link)
I'm guessing that if the note contains anything even remotely similar, then it has evidentuary value. But it also may supplement any pending obstruction charges.

OOOOOOOH! Did me lil Paddy (LP) say that he heard GA tell friend this?

 

[CarolinaMoon]

Yes, but George is not accused of murder or anything else for that matter, so I feel it's totally different than Casey's photobucket pictures. If he were and this was about his case, then I might agree, but it isn't. Unless George's letter says "I am taking my own life because my daughter confessed to me that she killed my granddaughter." or admits in it that he helped Casey or something, I think it should remain private also.

I don't think there will be any smoking gun such as what you mentioned. However, the rules of discovery are the issue here.

With the pictures, JB wanted the prosecution to edit the photos on the "filtered" disc and include in discovery only those they wanted to include in the prosecution. If the prosecution did that, the edited photos not in discovery would stand no chance to be used in the trial.

The Florida Sunshine laws have very few exceptions. For example, the images of Caylee's remains are an exception to the rule and would never be included in the publicly available documents.

If the letter goes into discovery for possible use in the trial, it has to be made public.

If the judge grants Conway's motion, the document can not be used at trial, even if it contains evidence beneficial to the prosecution.