2009.07.30 Document Release

[lisalei321]

I think I may send him a letter of support.

Will you add my support to yours? Please? This kid does not deserve what is happening to him

 

[ThoughtElf]

I don't have any idea what CA actually believed; I just think she was making statements to LE that made it look like she DID believe there was a real Zanny somewhere and that some of the ridiculous lies, uh, statements her daughter had made somehow had credibility. CA was in spin mode the minute LE carted KC off to jail.

I have a hunch CA went into spin mode a bit earlier on July 15, 2008.

Somewhere around the time when she tossed KC's pants into the spin cycle while she cleaned out the trunk.

Or maybe that was just a compulsive reaction. Perhaps she didn't kick into high-gear on the spin until some time between the infamous 911 call and when she took the several hundred $ out of KC's wallet when LE was in the house.

I suspect that CA peaked at priming & prepping the spin engine somewhere between "smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car" and "KC, what have you done?"

I doubt we need to agree to disagree on this one, so I won't bother with caveats.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I'm just astonished, sickened and sad about all these docs about Jesse. I mean, his credit report, his school grades. what on earth... That Casey has ripped this boy's entire life open for the whole world to see. I can't think of anything more vile than this (ok yes I can, but still).

I just finished reading the reports about JG. My first reaction was "poor guy". Then I realized he was in contact with KC frequently and consistently since Caylee's birth. It's unfortunate for him to have to be raked through the coals like this but obviously LE felt they needed to outrule his involvement and they say they did.

His record is good overall. He's a bright young man who possesses many good qualities. He has strengths and weaknesses just like the rest of us. From what I could tell, his biggest fault from the police training peoples' perspective, was that he did not like to take direction (sensitive to correction). When you're a young'n, you hafta take it. There's a trend in society among young people to feel they have the right to start at the top - wrong! Other than that, he should be okay. Jesse, learn from your elders, do not fight them. You'll get to be one some day. Then you'll wish you were a young whipper snapper again and say to yourself "why did I think I knew so much then, when I know so little now". Life is strange. Be strong and keep in mind there are many fair minded people in the world.

Not to end on a bad note, but he does have that "I know" trait that runs in the A family. No wonder he butted heads with CA! If he can recognize it in himself now, he'll do okay.

One more thing, I found it interesting to learn about the many procedures and training situations a police officer goes through. It sounds like a lot of ground to cover in a short period of time - especially real world training situations. Lots of details regarding radio, write-ups, how to approach people, etc. At the same time, I'm sure the recruite gets nervous at the prospect of getting shot. I would. It's a lot to cover down. Jesse just needs to pay attention to the details (even if he thinks they're not important) and learn to be a better driver!

 

[JSV]

This stuff was collected from 2500 Colonial Ave. on 3/19/09 - who lives there?

This is what I found .
http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReverseAddress?street=2500+Colonial+Ave&where=Orlando,+FL

 

[SondraK]

This address is a locksmith business which has one employee.

 

[The Eunice Burns]

I'd wonder too, except there is the jailhouse video where Casey says to Cindy, "She wears her hair straight. She's the one who gave me my straightner", and Cindy responds with "That's true."

I wonder though, and because I haven't the time at the moment but will check later tonight, if that jailhouse conversation occurred BEFORE OR AFTER the statement where she says she was going through Casey's vanity and found the straightener and remembered that Zanny had given it to her. Did Casey say it in the jail house tape first, and then she wrote "I remembered", or did she remember and later they discussed it by coincidence in the jailhouse tape? Or .. or... was it all scripted to come out and join together as if it were always a known fact.

I would have to go back and search for which came first, but I tend to think the declaration from CA about the hair straightener came after the jail visit. I vote for your last possibility.....that it was all scripted. Or, I think it's possible that IF KC said it first in the visitation... I could easily see CA thinking to herself.....*I better go and buy one of those hair straighteners.* I so distrust the As that I would not put that past her. I think CA did indeed hear the name "Zanny" bandied about by KC here and there in the months preceding Caylee's murder, but I think she helped flesh out this identity after the jig was up. And I think this business about a hair straightener is one example. I strongly question everything this woman has said, and think every anecdote, nugget of info, or things presented to LE should be suspect. Her refusal to take a poly clinches that. JMO

 

[Sparky]

This is what I found .
http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReverseAddress?street=2500+Colonial+Ave&where=Orlando,+FL

2500 W Colonial Dr is the Orange Co Sheriffs Office.

http://www.ocso.com/OperationalServices/UniformPatrolDivision/tabid/63/Default.aspx

 

[impatientredhead]

I'll go one further.......I truly wonder if she ever was told about DVDs intended for Caylee's use at "Zanny's", or a hair straightener that was supposedly originally "Zanny's", or a white dog (to add the cherry on the sundae). I wouldn't put it past her to have gone out and bought a "hair straightener". (I call mine a flat iron.) *Well, KC told me that Zanny has curly hair, so this hair straightener must be hers, so she must be a real person!*

JMO

All of the Zanny stories seemed to be tied to physical possessions. It is my speculation that Casey realized at some point it was easier to say these items came from Zanny.... that way she doesn't have to remember the details of the stories she tells and it explains how she has frivilous items like dvd's and hair straighteners but cannot contribute to the household.

 

[The Eunice Burns]

All of the Zanny stories seemed to be tied to physical possessions. It is my speculation that Casey realized at some point it was easier to say these items came from Zanny.... that way she doesn't have to remember the details of the stories she tells and it explains how she has frivilous items like dvd's and hair straighteners but cannot contribute to the household.

BBM That is a good point. I still wonder though how much help she has had from CA w/ all these Zanny lies. I am so cynical.....I find myself questioning everything that comes out of CA's mouth.

 

[Gnatcatcher]

I would have to go back and search for which came first, but I tend to think the declaration from CA about the hair straightener came after the jail visit. I vote for your last possibility.....that it was all scripted. Or, I think it's possible that IF KC said it first in the visitation... I could easily see CA thinking to herself.....*I better go and buy one of those hair straighteners.* I so distrust the As that I would not put that past her. I think CA did indeed hear the name "Zanny" bandied about by KC here and there in the months preceding Caylee's murder, but I think she helped flesh out this identity after the jig was up. And I think this business about a hair straightener is one example. I strongly question everything this woman has said, and think every anecdote, nugget of info, or things presented to LE should be suspect. Her refusal to take a poly clinches that. JMO

I am just now going to go and look at the document and see when Cindy's statement is dated and compare that to the date on the jailhouse video, but I'm inclined to say I agree with you. Either it was scripted in private, at the home, before Casey went into custody and was deliberately planted into the jailhouse tape and later sworn to on paper or... Casey said it randomly on the jailhouse tape to delude her mother into thinking the nanny existed, and Cindy later, having picked up on something Casey said on video that she's now aware was on video, swore to it on paper to back that up.

Either way, it's contrived, there is no doubt about it. Why, out of a million tangible things on earth, would a hair straightener be mentioned twice. As IF I ever give my own blow dryer a moment's notice. Ask me what color it is or when I acquired it, couldn't tell ya.

 

[Just Jayla]

I'd wonder too, except there is the jailhouse video where Casey says to Cindy, "She wears her hair straight. She's the one who gave me my straightner", and Cindy responds with "That's true."

I wonder though, and because I haven't the time at the moment but will check later tonight, if that jailhouse conversation occurred BEFORE OR AFTER the statement where she says she was going through Casey's vanity and found the straightener and remembered that Zanny had given it to her. Did Casey say it in the jail house tape first, and then she wrote "I remembered", or did she remember and later they discussed it by coincidence in the jailhouse tape? Or .. or... was it all scripted to come out and join together as if it were always a known fact.

I think KC had previously described Zanny with curly hair, and had to cover herself when she told her mom in the jail conversation that Zanny had straight hair-
KC says to CA something like "she straightens her hair, that's where I got my straightener, from her, remember?"
CA says "yeah, that's true"......

I don't think CA knew about the straightener before that, she just did not want to contradict KC right then. I think she later twisted the truth in the written statement, I would imagine that is the order things went in, but I will have to look again myself, too.

Edit to Change my Conclusion: CA did know KC had a straightener, maybe she asked KC about it because she thought KC stole it, but I think she did ask KC where she got it prior to all of this. Maybe KC lied about where she got it from then....dunno, now I have confused myself.

 

[MissJames]

Hi everyone..Im back (lol)
I am bothered by this as well, except that by doing so, the LE has shown how far they have investigated every theory or possible accomplice...so I look at it as when they go to court, it adds to the pile of guilt because any story they concoct to deflect blame has been thoroughly investigated and eliminated.

I agree with you.They even checked out some of the psychic tips. I have such faith in LE and the SA. They have made a good case IMO

 

[MissJames]

BBM That is a good point. I still wonder though how much help she has had from CA w/ all these Zanny lies. I am so cynical.....I find myself questioning everything that comes out of CA's mouth.

Me too!! I just said I wish I wasn't so cynical on another thread. I want to feel some compassion for these people who did love Caylee.I know Caylee loved them.It's just so hard in the face of all we have seen and heard.
I am no Mother Theresa.

 

[JSV]

2500 W Colonial Dr is the Orange Co Sheriffs Office.

http://www.ocso.com/OperationalServices/UniformPatrolDivision/tabid/63/Default.aspx

Thank You . Sorry . I am not very good at researching .

 

[Amil]

The SODDI defense is so nauseating. All of the evidence appears to point solely back to KC. Clearly, the LE did an exhaustive investigation into him...and though the information released and obtained is such a violation into his life...I am also satisified that the defense can't say that JG was not investigated.
He took a lie detector test. CA, LA and GA refused.
He graduated high school. KC was too lazy and stupid to achieve that.
JG at least had paying jobs. KC worked for a brief amount of time and then abandoned her child.
KC was the last known person seen with Caylee. Had possession of that car. Abandoned that car. Had TL come pick her up in the parking lot where she abandoned that same car.
KC didn't report Caylee missing. KC lied to LE.
And yet...the defense thinks intelligent reasonable people...are going to allow them to point the figure at JG just because he wasn't cut out to be a cop?

JG is not the one stealing from family and friends.
JG is not the one making up nannies.
JG is not the one making up jobs.
JG is not the one shacking up with anyone who would show him the time of day.
JG isn't a known liar.
JG graduated from highschool.
JG has no motive to murder Caylee. I wonder who it was that stole, lied, cheated and whored through their adult life that might have a motive....hmmm....who oh who could that be?

and now we know why she called JG to pick her up at Amscot - good thing he couldn't do it.

 

[DollyPardonMe]

We now know what kind of grades Grund received in highschool, what his ACT and SAT scores were, what every employer he ever had who was willing to answer questions to the police department thought of him, his salary, where he lived, where he was born, his birth date, his driver's license number, and so on.

Frankly, I'm disgusted on his behalf.

I didn't want to read all of Jesse's personal data. He needs the privacy he deserves. But if his grades were excellent as his ACT and SAT the only thing that will make a mark on his resume for the rest of his life is what this VILE Casey Anthony has put on there!! It will follow him around the rest of his life. I pray there are employers out there who will overlook what has happened to this wonderful young man and give him the chances in Life that he deserves!!

 

[Amil]

This is what I found .
http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReverseAddress?street=2500+Colonial+Ave&where=Orlando,+FL

That is the address of the OCSO on West Colonial Drive. It is a large office with many police cruisers and vans on the property.

 

[justsaying]

yes, quoting myself (narcissistic, much? haha). Just thought of something. Remember that Jodie Foster movie, "Nell" ? She plays an adult whom many think is either retarded, deaf or otherwise disabled in some fashion, and we come to learn much later in the film that she was raised in solitary by her mother who had suffered a stroke many years before, and therefore had a severe speech impediment. So "Nell" speaks in much the same manner as her mother had, in a way a child would learn "cockneye" from her childhood in certain parts of England. I am wondering if growing up listening to Cindy's disjointed speech patterns, Casey might have learned some disconnect in some form. I have no background in psychology or speech pathology, and certainly have no idea how to put my thoughts into clever words, but I'm hoping someone here can elaborate on this. If Cindy cannot form a proper sentence to express noun, subject, verb, predicate, thought, concept and idea, how can Casey grow up to say anything more than 'Absolutely', 'exactly', and giggle when she thinks is appropriate?

I totally agree that children not only learn to pronounce words with regional dialects in this country, but also learn their speech patterns from those who teach them to speak. I grew up in southeast Missouri near the Arkansas and Tennessee lines, but learned more general american pronunciation in school. However in times of anger or stress, I will start dropping final "r's" and slow my speech down something awful. Then folks start asking where I'm from. Just agreeing that both of the A children, having been taught to speak by mama and hearing these patterns (or lack thereof) early on. would naturally sound like this parent.

 

[Trapshooter]

I have faith in Jesse Grund that he will come out of this a better, stronger person!!! He has been raised by a loving, caring family. He knows right from wrong, he knows truth vs. lies, his only fault was falling for KC.

Jesse keep your chin up!!! The sun shall rise tomorrow!!
Sending my sincerest regards to all the Grunds!!!

 

[RR0004]

I'd wonder too, except there is the jailhouse video where Casey says to Cindy, "She wears her hair straight. She's the one who gave me my straightner", and Cindy responds with "That's true."

I wonder though, and because I haven't the time at the moment but will check later tonight, if that jailhouse conversation occurred BEFORE OR AFTER the statement where she says she was going through Casey's vanity and found the straightener and remembered that Zanny had given it to her. Did Casey say it in the jail house tape first, and then she wrote "I remembered", or did she remember and later they discussed it by coincidence in the jailhouse tape? Or .. or... was it all scripted to come out and join together as if it were always a known fact.

My vote...scripted.