2009.09.04 Cindy sent D.Casey/Hoover to remains site Addtional VIDEO RELEASED #2

[gibby207]

I wonder if Mark Nejame was involved in sending DC to search in the woods. IIRC, Lee said at his deposition with the prosecutors that he was "pissed" that a "Caylee is dead" tip was even checked out, and he really did seem to be irritated about it. Cindy, at her ZFG civil suit depo, was very defensive about the subject but kept emphasizing "I" did not send him. George does not make decisions...

But when Nejame resigned, 5 days after DC's search, he said, “I only agreed to represent George and Cindy Anthony, so long as there were no restrictions placed on me whatsoever as to finding Caylee, regardless of where this might lead. Quite simply, this meant that I could do whatever I needed to find Caylee whether she was alive or not." To me, this indicates that the problem between Nejame and the As had something to do with searching for a dead Caylee. It sounds like Nejame was saying he thought he had no restrictions on searching for a dead Caylee, but some sort of restriction had just been placed on him and he wasn't OK with that. As he said in his statement, "The other condition I required was that I would have absolutely nothing to do with representing Casey or assisting in her legal defense." Nejame might have considered a "no-dead-Caylee-searches" restriction to be unjustified unless it was for the purpose of helping Casey.

Then, when Nejame started representing Texas EquuSearch, he made a short statement about his planned news conference to show the TES photos of the remains site underwater. I can't find the quote of exactly what he said, but the Orlando Sentinel headline on August 20, 2009, was "NeJame, Miller To Reveal All In Anthony Case." Baez called George, who went absolutely nuts and stormed into the press conference demanding to talk to Nejame. They went into a room to talk, and came out later saying it was all a "misunderstanding." My theory is that the "misunderstanding" was that George was afraid Nejame planned to "reveal all," including attorney-client privileged information about the DC search of the woods. Once George found out that Nejame was only going to reveal aerial photos, he calmed down.

Great angle...

And could also explain why George made the comment he was "sick of living the lie."

 

[Searchfortruth]

I have often wondered if MN knew about DC's search of Sububan, back in November of 2008. I have trouble believing that he would have been supportive of this inside knowledge and subsequent search, and it being kept from LE. I remember back on November 7th/8th, MN was very much already in Tim M.'s camp. He may have still had a toe in with the Anthony's, but I believe he was interested in the search for Caylee's remains (his then clients were not).

I took his statement about "no restrictions" being placed on him to mean that the TES search (that he supported) caused a definite problem with his clients.

 

[Kentjbkent]

I have often wondered if MN knew about DC's search of Sububan, back in November of 2008. I have trouble believing that he would have been supportive of this inside knowledge and subsequent search, and it being kept from LE. I remember back on November 7th/8th, MN was very much already in Tim M.'s camp. He may have still had a toe in with the Anthony's, but I believe he was interested in the search for Caylee's remains (his then clients were not).

I took his statement about "no restrictions" being placed on him to mean that the TES search (that he supported) caused a definite problem with his clients.

I know exactly what you mean, but I think IF and WHEN MN had any knowledge of the DC search, it was for a very minimal amount of time before he made the decision to resign (like, within hours).

I also believe he most likely had his hands tied on what he could report to LE due to the client/attorney confidentiality issues, which is why his statement to the public was worded in the manner it was (walking that fine line.....)

 

[TallyHo]

Yall got me thinking about the psychic angle to all of this, and while searching, I found another website that references Ginette Lucas and Caylee (suzannevincent.com) - here's a quote from that site:

"CAYLEE & CHRISTINESuzanne Vincent and Jean Mckenzie Vincent were brought onto the Caylee Marie Anthony case by Luke Phillips, the intermediary. Luke was working with another psychic named Ginette, and through the intermediary, Luke , we were able to provide Dominic Casey (a private investigator hired by Cindy and George Anthony) with accurate visions that pinpointed the final resting place of Caylee Marie Anthony. Caylee was found as my impressions showed her to me: in an abandoned, weed-strewn lot near a school, with a chain link fence in a black plastic trash bag a fourth of a mile from her Orlando, Florida home. Because of our accuracy with the Caylee Marie Anthony case, Dominic Casey asked Jean and I to profile suspects in the abduction and murder of Caylee Marie Anthony and to locate and profile the Disappearance of Haleigh Cummings from Satsuma,Florida."

Wow, just wow.:crazy:

 

[AZlawyer]

I know exactly what you mean, but I think IF and WHEN MN had any knowledge of the DC search, it was for a very minimal amount of time before he made the decision to resign (like, within hours).

I also believe he most likely had his hands tied on what he could report to LE due to the client/attorney confidentiality issues, which is why his statement to the public was worded in the manner it was (walking that fine line.....)

I don't think MN would have objected to a search for Caylee's remains--quite the opposite, from what he said in his statement. But now that I think about it, he would have been more likely to suggest having TES do a proper search, instead of having DC poke around with a stick and slash garbage bags.

Maybe CA and GA told MN they had inside info about the body, and MN objected to their decision to handle that information by setting up a silly fake PI videotape "proving the body wasn't there", with a "psychic tip" as the excuse, rather than calling TES or LE in to do a real, professional search.

 

[Kentjbkent]

I don't think MN would have objected to a search for Caylee's remains--quite the opposite, from what he said in his statement. But now that I think about it, he would have been more likely to suggest having TES do a proper search, instead of having DC poke around with a stick and slash garbage bags.

Maybe CA and GA told MN they had inside info about the body, and MN objected to their decision to handle that information by setting up a silly fake PI videotape "proving the body wasn't there", with a "psychic tip" as the excuse, rather than calling TES or LE in to do a real, professional search.[/QUOTE]

YES! We are thinking along the same lines and all confusion on my part has diminished......whew!

 

[JWG]

I wonder if Mark Nejame was involved in sending DC to search in the woods.

*** Suh-NIP *** !!

I love the way you think outside the box ! resent:

 

[Searchfortruth]

I have to think, that if MN did know about DC's knowledge of the location of the remains, before November 7th/8th (TES search, meeting) he would have had that info delivered to TM. Now if he knew after the search, I have no idea. If he did find out, I wouldn't be surprised if this was the final straw in his decision to separate from the Anthony's. I wonder if we'll ever know ?

 

[AZlawyer]

I have to think, that if MN did know about DC's knowledge of the location of the remains, before November 7th/8th (TES search, meeting) he would have had that info delivered to TM. Now if he knew after the search, I have no idea. If he did find out, I wouldn't be surprised if this was the final straw in his decision to separate from the Anthony's. I wonder if we'll ever know ?

He would have had the information delivered to TM if his clients would allow him to do so.

I definitely think MN's resignation statement is consistent with him being told about the location of the remains but not being allowed by CA and GA to handle that information in an appropriate way.

Here's my post from back when Nejame resigned: [ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3120907&postcount=31"]http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3120907&postcount=31[/ame]

 

[Searchfortruth]

He would have had the information delivered to TM if his clients would allow him to do so.

I definitely think MN's resignation statement is consistent with him being told about the location of the remains but not being allowed by CA and GA to handle that information in an appropriate way.

Here's my post from back when Nejame resigned: http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3120907&postcount=31

The timing of the two events go together...DC searches Suburban, what was it, Nov 15th ? MN quits November 20th.

 

[TallyHo]

The timing of the two events go together...DC searches Suburban, what was it, Nov 15th ? MN quits November 20th.

Also - if memory serves, there was supposed to be an Anthony press conference on the 20th as well that got cancelled.

 

[beach]

He would have had the information delivered to TM if his clients would allow him to do so.

I definitely think MN's resignation statement is consistent with him being told about the location of the remains but not being allowed by CA and GA to handle that information in an appropriate way.

Here's my post from back when Nejame resigned: http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3120907&postcount=31

red emphasis mine

KEY POINT!

MN is too ethical and smart to be railroaded by CA. I think AZ is on the right trail and prior to resigning I feel sure MN fulfilled his obligation by advising the Anthonys in re. the risks they were taking if they chose to continue down this path, including any criminal repercussions. As expected, CA didn't give a damn if it didn't go along with her plan. Then he did the smart thing and washed his hands of the whole Anthony bunch.

The timing of the two events go together...DC searches Suburban, what was it, Nov 15th ? MN quits November 20th.

..... the timing of all these events says everything to me. All the little pieces start falling together.

 

[RR0004]

He would have had the information delivered to TM if his clients would allow him to do so.

I definitely think MN's resignation statement is consistent with him being told about the location of the remains but not being allowed by CA and GA to handle that information in an appropriate way.

Here's my post from back when Nejame resigned: http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3120907&postcount=31

MN's involvement in this case never left me feeling warm and fuzzy. But, I don't think he knew what he was getting himself into. I think this case spiraled out of control and he knew that staying would only hurt him. The people the As were surrounding themselves with IMO were sketchy at best. Smart of him to get out...should have done it sooner.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

The timing of the two events go together...DC searches Suburban, what was it, Nov 15th ? MN quits November 20th.

IIRC MN announced the fact that he had taken on the responsibility of representing TES and Tim Miller on Nov 7th (the night before the huge search) at the club where everyone was supposed to get instructions re the search the next morning. The timing of that led me to believe that his dissolution with the Anthonys was, in a large part, because they had failed to cooperate with the TES search. So, imho, he was distancing himself from them as early as Nov 7th. Maybe he knew of their plans to search the Suburban area ahead of time?

But, in rereading MN's full statement regarding his resignation, it seems his major objection was because the Anthonys would only agree to investigating efforts for a "live" Caylee and he refused to be restricted to this. It's well worth rereading: http://www.nejamelaw.com/mark-nejame-in-the-news/anthony-family-attorney-NeJame-resigns.htm

In any case, I think it's very likely that he knew something was up that he didn't agree with and wanted no part of it. Thanks, AZlawyer!! You put it together well!!

 

[BondJamesBond]

Perhaps already well noted...

1) Dominick's prodding the earth seeking indications of a clandestine grave is clearly in contradiction to his stated purpose of simply confirming the site as a teen hangout

2) IF the info was provided, it must have been vague regarding burial since the remains don't appear to have been buried, and the skull appears to have remained relatively near the original location owing to the forensics. IOW, Dominick either assumed he would need to probe for a grave, or he was told it would be necessary. :waitasec:

 

[sleutherontheside]

Perhaps already well noted...

1) Dominick's prodding the earth seeking indications of a clandestine grave is clearly in contradiction to his stated purpose of simply confirming the site as a teen hangout

2) IF the info was provided, it must have been vague regarding burial since the remains don't appear to have been buried, and the skull appears to have remained relatively near the original location owing to the forensics. IOW, Dominick either assumed he would need to probe for a grave, or he was told it would be necessary. :waitasec:

:bow::bow::bow::bow::bow:

 

[beach]

--snipped from Mark Nejame's resignation Thanks Expecting Unicorns! :blowkiss:

"I had come to a personal opinion and theory for quite some time whether Caylee was still with us or not. However, my opinion was only one like any other … an opinion. The only person without an opinion though is Casey Anthony as only she knows the truth.

I believe that the singular person out of the 6 billion people in the world who holds the key to finding Caylee is her mother, Casey Anthony. Although I was quite successful in resolving a multitude of matters, I am unable to go further to help George and Cindy find Caylee in my current role. I can only provide my best advice and must respect any client's prerogative to do what they deem is best, whether they choose to follow my guidance or not. However, there is little value or use I can provide to any client if they choose to act and comment at will."

While I personally love the above snippet of MN's statement, I feel certain it ticked off CA to the max.

Client control is one of the most challenging obstacles an attorney or paralegal faces when dealing with emotional issues, eg. death, divorce, child custody, etc... . It is understandable. However, I honestly cannot think of a worse client to have to try to reign in than Cindy Anthony. I truthfully think it would be impossible. I believe BC, like GA, just goes along with the flow. MN isn't that type.

 

[ThommyMac]

He would have had the information delivered to TM if his clients would allow him to do so.

I definitely think MN's resignation statement is consistent with him being told about the location of the remains but not being allowed by CA and GA to handle that information in an appropriate way.

Here's my post from back when Nejame resigned: http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3120907&postcount=31

Thank you for posting the link to your older post. VERY good to know, aside from the food for thought about the current situation.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

He would have had the information delivered to TM if his clients would allow him to do so.

I definitely think MN's resignation statement is consistent with him being told about the location of the remains but not being allowed by CA and GA to handle that information in an appropriate way.

Here's my post from back when Nejame resigned: http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3120907&postcount=31

:waitasec: I wonder how the law would apply in this case. What if MN knew that the Anthony's knew where the remains were, but because he was representing them he could not do or say anything so he withdrew as counsel. Not saying this is true, just a hypothetical question.
The Anthony's have not been charged with anything, so wouldn't it be OK for MN to report anything regarding Caylee to LE? There are always loop holes when it comes to the law. Anyone know? TIA

 

[beach]

:waitasec: I wonder how the law would apply in this case. What if MN knew that the Anthony's knew where the remains were, but because he was representing them he could not do or say anything so he withdrew as counsel. Not saying this is true, just a hypothetical question.
The Anthony's have not been charged with anything, so wouldn't it be OK for MN to report anything regarding Caylee to LE? There are always loop holes when it comes to the law. Anyone know? TIA

To the best of my knowledge, attorney-client privilege would cover anything MN learned from the Anthonys prior to his resignation.

(AZ, please chime in if you know of any exception!)