2009.09.04 Cindy sent D.Casey/Hoover to remains site Addtional VIDEO RELEASED #2

[Just Jayla]

Let's say it has been determined that MN does link the chain, and that he got this information from his clients...How did his clients (the Anthony's) find out? I am very curious to know how this came to be-Did KC tell them, write to them, or did one of the A's take it upon themselves to look? Maybe a family friend helped since the A's would surely be recognized walking the woods at Suburban...Or maybe one of the hangers-on that have been in and out of the A's lives went down there and searched KC's childhood play area for the A's. Or, maybe KC gave enough clues that LA figured it out.

One thing is for sure, if the state determines how the family found out, it might mean game over for KC. Perhaps CA would decide to fall on the sword and go down with KC by denying the source of this knowledge is KC. Maybe the source is not KC. We'll see, above thoughts are all me speculatin'

 

[Searchfortruth]

IIRC MN announced the fact that he had taken on the responsibility of representing TES and Tim Miller on Nov 7th (the night before the huge search) at the club where everyone was supposed to get instructions re the search the next morning. The timing of that led me to believe that his dissolution with the Anthonys was, in a large part, because they had failed to cooperate with the TES search. So, imho, he was distancing himself from them as early as Nov 7th. Maybe he knew of their plans to search the Suburban area ahead of time?

But, in rereading MN's full statement regarding his resignation, it seems his major objection was because the Anthonys would only agree to investigating efforts for a "live" Caylee and he refused to be restricted to this. It's well worth rereading: http://www.nejamelaw.com/mark-nejame-in-the-news/anthony-family-attorney-NeJame-resigns.htm

In any case, I think it's very likely that he knew something was up that he didn't agree with and wanted no part of it. Thanks, AZlawyer!! You put it together well!!

This is what I remember and why I think that MN was already in TM's camp by the night of that meeting. The next morning, MN was out at the command center (TES) bright and early...he didn't look dressed to search, but just the fact that he was there spoke volumes...to me.

 

[LambChop]

Anyone else remember, too, that before TM left the first time and I believe that was to search for someone in NC, MN had raised money for TES prior to Tim leaving Orlando.

 

[beach]

Let's say it has been determined that MN does link the chain, and that he got this information from his clients...How did his clients (the Anthony's) find out? I am very curious to know how this came to be-Did KC tell them, write to them, or did one of the A's take it upon themselves to look? Maybe a family friend helped since the A's would surely be recognized walking the woods at Suburban...Or maybe one of the hangers-on that have been in and out of the A's lives went down there and searched KC's childhood play area for the A's. Or, maybe KC gave enough clues that LA figured it out.
One thing is for sure, if the state determines how the family found out, it might mean game over for KC. Perhaps CA would decide to fall on the sword and go down with KC by denying the source of this knowledge is KC. Maybe the source is not KC. We'll see, above thoughts are all me speculatin'

BBM

THAT is the $64,000 question. I'm thinking our best hope of finding out is if DC spilled all. Even that would probably lead down another winding trail of seeds to follow. As long as we're speculatin', I'll go with the 'KC gave enough clues that LA figured it out' theory.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

This is what I remember and why I think that MN was already in TM's camp by the night of that meeting. The next morning, MN was out at the command center (TES) bright and early...he didn't look dressed to search, but just the fact that he was there spoke volumes...to me.

Exactly! Whatever it was ~ he already knew that night. IMHO, he was showing his first move to switch camps that night. (He is, by the way, more charming in person than you would think from his photos. And quite the gentleman.)

 

[MADJGNLAW]

This is what I remember and why I think that MN was already in TM's camp by the night of that meeting. The next morning, MN was out at the command center (TES) bright and early...he didn't look dressed to search, but just the fact that he was there spoke volumes...to me.

:waitasec: Didn't MN also give TES a check for $5,000 around that time? For a donation?

 

[Meagain]

He gave Kronk $5,000 from what I remember.

 

[beach]

I watched a TM video this morning about this. (I think TWA posted it.) Paraphrasing here, but he confirms that as he was getting ready to leave Orlando, - and this is where I want to find the video to confirm - that LE contacted him and asked him to stay. I'm pretty sure he credited LE for securing the $5,000.

let me go see if i can find the video....i'm not even sure which thread i linked it.

 

[steadychick]

I do recall listening to MN's statements when he resigned, saying that he thought he knew what had happened to Caylee. Really makes me wonder if, in fact, he did know that someone had told the A's they saw something near the woods. Considering CA's Freudian slip on 2-5 (IIRC), I find this likely. But the question is, who might have told them? Was it an A? Did someone see Casey's car out there? Did Casey tell someone? Whoever it was, they might have been reluctant or afraid to come forward with the information, perhaps only telling the A's what they knew? And then the A's decided to hide the info, and that person still feels enough allegiance or loyalty (or fear?) to the A's that they don't want to tell the truth and have them get in trouble? I'm speculating again, but just trying to figure out WHO KNEW, because someone told them to look there, and we know it wasn't the psychic or Kronk. We know it's highly unlikely it was a Daisy Chain. Maybe the evidence that the SA is delaying has to do with protecting this unknown person who has been afraid to come forward.

I'm thinking this through as I write, and I guess what my gut is telling me is that there is someone who saw or heard something, and that person most likely knows the A's. Perhaps that person is even a minor? Can you imagine the trauma and fear a child might have if they saw Casey take something into the woods and later learned that Caylee was dead? If LE's theory is correct, that the body was dumped right after the gas can confrontation, it would have been broad daylight on a summer vacation day. Chances are pretty good there were children out and about at that time.

I know, I'm letting my imagination run wild. But someone knew, someone told the A's to check out the woods. If I was that person, I most definitely would feel like I needed protection -- from the A's, the defense, and the public who might be outraged that I took so long to come forward.

I also find in very believeable that George may have gotten in his car and followed Casey after the gas can incident. It would be consistent with his character and his LE background to have taken off after her. Maybe George saw her stop on Suburban. Maybe it was George that Hoover was reporting on when he told TES that someone had seen Casey's car at the woods (wasn't this in November also?).

 

[beach]

I didn't find it while briefly perusing the threads. Sorry to whoever I need to credit for posting it first.

I did find the youtube video in my history, though.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raHlPVJEabU"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raHlPVJEabU[/ame]

 

[BondJamesBond]

I watched a TM video this morning about this. (I think TWA posted it.) Paraphrasing here, but he confirms that as he was getting ready to leave Orlando, - and this is where I want to find the video to confirm - that LE contacted him and asked him to stay. I'm pretty sure he credited LE for securing the $5,000.

let me go see if i can find the video....i'm not even sure which thread i linked it.

Here you go FWIW...Nejame for Kronk...
http://www.wesh.com/news/18487834/detail.html

 

[Searchfortruth]

Exactly! Whatever it was ~ he already knew that night. IMHO, he was showing his first move to switch camps that night. (He is, by the way, more charming in person than you would think from his photos. And quite the gentleman.)

Yes, he is...we were down there and that morning (first day of search) he was standing a few feet from me, near the fence in front of the trailer. He had on some nice dress shoes and a dress shirt and that is why I thought he was there for observation, not searching. At any rate, I was surprised to see him there. At that point, I still viewed him as a friend of the Anthony's so I didn't speak to him...I know, snarky of me. I have since forgiven him.

 

[sleutherontheside]

Here you go FWIW...Nejame for Kronk...
http://www.wesh.com/news/18487834/detail.html

IIRC....the issue with paying the $5000 to Kronk was that the reward money was being offered via the "Florida Tip or Crime line". It was later determined, again IIRC, that because these calls were made after he called 911 that he was not eligible for the reward money. There was an outrage after that and Mr. Nejame stepped in at that time to help make things right. I will look for the link so I can be accurate but while I do that, I wanted to share that from memory.

ETA http://www.wftv.com/news/18285004/detail.html

 

[3doglady]

I always thought it was strange the way TM suddenly called off the 2nd search. Is it possible that TM learned, during the search, that the A's knew the location of Caylee and were refusing to give up the location? Right after that he was on NG stating that the body would never be found. I found that strange also since remains are sometimes found years later.

 

[The World According]

I watched a TM video this morning about this. (I think TWA posted it.) Paraphrasing here, but he confirms that as he was getting ready to leave Orlando, - and this is where I want to find the video to confirm - that LE contacted him and asked him to stay. I'm pretty sure he credited LE for securing the $5,000.

let me go see if i can find the video....i'm not even sure which thread i linked it.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raHlPVJEabU[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll7W9QRGo9Y[/ame]

 

[The World According]

The timing of the two events go together...DC searches Suburban, what was it, Nov 15th ? MN quits November 20th.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ajibgshx94[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0rpTTHvezs[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ENR8RQSwTU[/ame]

I could be wrong, but my understanding was that Cindy threw a fit on TES, did not want them doing any search for a dead Caylee...wanted them GONE...Mark was shocked and disappointed by that, did not agree and they parted ways. I do not believe he would have taken Dominic serious in any capacity nor would he have sent him or had prior knowledge of him going to the woods.

 

[beach]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raHlPVJEabU

At the 6:10 mark - the Sheriff's dept. contacted him and asked him to stay and raised $5,000 to offset search costs

 

[butterfly1978]

Yall got me thinking about the psychic angle to all of this, and while searching, I found another website that references Ginette Lucas and Caylee (suzannevincent.com) - here's a quote from that site:

"CAYLEE & CHRISTINESuzanne Vincent and Jean Mckenzie Vincent were brought onto the Caylee Marie Anthony case by Luke Phillips, the intermediary. Luke was working with another psychic named Ginette, and through the intermediary, Luke , we were able to provide Dominic Casey (a private investigator hired by Cindy and George Anthony) with accurate visions that pinpointed the final resting place of Caylee Marie Anthony. Caylee was found as my impressions showed her to me: in an abandoned, weed-strewn lot near a school, with a chain link fence in a black plastic trash bag a fourth of a mile from her Orlando, Florida home. Because of our accuracy with the Caylee Marie Anthony case, Dominic Casey asked Jean and I to profile suspects in the abduction and murder of Caylee Marie Anthony and to locate and profile the Disappearance of Haleigh Cummings from Satsuma,Florida."

Wow, just wow.:crazy:

OMG REALLY????:banghead::banghead:!!!!!!!! DC did not find Caylee RK did!!! DC was there not based off a vision but because someone told him, ummm like GL who was privy to the information via Cindy!!! UGGG :furious: and if this woman is so dang good and she is working on Haleigh's case where is HAleigh? why have we not found her, OH let me ..maybe because Cindy isn't there to tell GL where she is!

 

[AZlawyer]

:waitasec: I wonder how the law would apply in this case. What if MN knew that the Anthony's knew where the remains were, but because he was representing them he could not do or say anything so he withdrew as counsel. Not saying this is true, just a hypothetical question.
The Anthony's have not been charged with anything, so wouldn't it be OK for MN to report anything regarding Caylee to LE? There are always loop holes when it comes to the law. Anyone know? TIA

To the best of my knowledge, attorney-client privilege would cover anything MN learned from the Anthonys prior to his resignation.

(AZ, please chime in if you know of any exception!)

He would not have been able to tell LE. All he could do is what he did--withdraw and make statements that almost, but don't quite, say "Caylee is dead and the A family knows where to look but they won't let me send someone to get her."

 

[Tinsel]

There were some psychics searching that area. I saw the video. But I do agree that CA confessed to someone in order to try to get help in making it look like an accident. DC could have been taping it to protect himself, in case of double-dealing anywhere along the line.:twocents: