2009.09.04 Cindy sent D.Casey/Hoover to remains site Addtional VIDEO RELEASED #2

I think we can safely presume that a guy who had merely got his P I license four or five months before, whose home was in foreclosure at the time would not show up on the doorstep of a lawyer in a high profile case...offer to work with him, get NO RETAINER...work for free for a few months....then switch to work for the family...again get NO RETAINER and continue to work for free for over a year out of the goodness of his heart. He is hardly a Morgan or Mitnick or Nejame who enjoys such financial success they can afford to take on a client pro bono or work for two years for a possible pay off one day. I could be wrong. I do not live there, but I am going off the fact that the news reported he was in foreclosure when the case began and he is in foreclosure again.

All of these folks are too colorful for words. The only thing I know for sure is that it will need to be a mini series rather than just one made for TV movie. You just can't make this stuff up. As much as I have no regard for Mr. Hoover...he is the only one that told the police the truth...yeah..he did it because he planed to sell it all as memorbelia and make some money.

Even for free.....my question has always been if you have a situation where you are looking for a missing child and you have a client or daughter charged with her murder...why in the world would you entrust a job this important to any new P.I.? You wouldn't. You would look for an expert in that special field.

It does not make sense. It is just my opinion, but it does not make sense at all to me. I wouldn't let someone with four or five months experience paint my house, let alone look for a missing child and risk messing up the investigation. NO WAY!!! I am only speaking for myself. Clearly Cindy felt differently. Since she thinks so vastly differently than I do...I have no idea what her limits to ask of Dom would be. I honestly do not.

bbm i just had to say, you might let somebody with no experience paint your house if you didnt want anybody else to know you got your house painted, iykwim :) it would bite you in the "you know where" tho when the wood started to rot and the whole thing fell in on you!
 
You think TES was an adversary to the As?? :waitasec: I agree they were adverse to Casey's interests, but as MN pointed out, one of his requirements for representing the As was that he would not take Casey's interests into account.

The client is not the "boss" when it comes to the ethics rules, or even the lawyer's concerns of personal morality. Or even the lawyer's concerns of wanting to appear professional and dignified. Yes, the lawyer can set requirements for the representation, as long as they are properly disclosed to the client and agreed upon.

You are correct. In this situation Mark is above reproach. Both Cindy, George and their current lawyer have stated that publicly. George and Cindy both signed waivers of conflict of interest. Brad said in open court, on the record that Mr. and Mrs. Anthony waive any conflict of interest and that one does not exist. Mr. Nejame is a well respected lawyer of nearly thirty years, his reputation precedes him. Mr. Miller's organization, is a non profit organization. I believe Mr. Nejame works for them pro bono. The only money Mark made off of the time he worked for the Anthonys, he promptly donated to Roy Kronk which was five thousand dollars. Long before and long after this case Mr. Nejame has and will work by his own moral codes that are certainly not dictated by the client in front of him at any given moment. He was very up front with what he would and would not do for George and Cindy. The fact that he did make public statements about his resignation I do agree spoke volumes. I would hire him...all day long. He says what he means and means what he says. I respect that in a person. All of these experts concur that what Dom did on that scene was a nightmare for potential evidence, without a doubt. He is the one who was not professional , imo. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYweJpl7lwo[/ame]
 
And in keeping it on topic, as Ocso asked Dc if he sent them all the tips, my question is, is did Ocso send him all of their tips. For instance the 911 calls in August. Perhaps Dc heard the Rk 911 calls. I find that Ng has been able to obtain 911 tapes the very same day. I wonder if anyone knows the rules on that. Are those public domain? Is it possible that Dc just went down there and purchased 911 tapes? Or is it possible that Rk or Rk's girlfriend Mc called it in to Dc tip line?

D Casey may or may not have heard the tips that were called in by Kronk. However, Cindy has already stated that she sent "her people" to check that area of the woods and nothing was there at that time. That does away with any "daisy chain" linking Kronk to being the one to tip off D Casey. The only way that would work is if Cindy herself heard those calls from Kronk and then sent D Casey to that area.

As far as another post about D Casey not having done anything wrong, he has done the same thing that Casey has done.....lied to LE. I have to wonder why when the phone records for D Casey and the psychic were released that the time frame of when D Casey was in the woods is not a part of them. From what I was able to see they talked for a total of 4 minutes during three phone calls and none of those three phone calls were during the time when D Casey were in those woods, at least not shown to the public anyway. That to me says that once again the whole thing is hinky.
 
What does an intermediary mean to her.. a deal maker, a broker, a middle man...why the secrecy?

Good Lord, who knows???? But it seems to have some importance to the psychic community, as those other 2 ladies who claimed to have given Dominic Caylee's location before Ginette talked about Luke P being their "intermediary" as well. Whatever it is, he sure is good at it!! :waitasec:
 
You can take me out of the we. I don't presume anything. As far as I know, he was just an upcoming PI that was willing to work for free to make a name for himself. It happens all the time. I am sure there were plenty of people who volunteered to help at no charge. Nothing wrong with that in my eyes.

Now on the other hand for such a newbie to the PI scene, he was able to get within feet of the body when the whole Ocso with all their experience couldn't. So hats off to him for that. I have no problem with him being down there in the woods. He's a private investigator and I would expect no less.

I don't think the A's had the money to hire a seasoned professional. I think that is probably the real reason Mn left as well. They didn't have the money to retain him. Some of us are not rich or have rich families and are stuck with what we have. Dc has done nothing wrong here, he is an innocent man caught up in a high profile case where anybody and everybody is vulnerable because they can't come up with any proof that Kc did this. IMO

MN was doing this pro bono, the A's didn't need any money to retain him. MN, made it perfectly clear, he would not do anything in way of representing KC but BC has no problem doing so for the A's. There would be no restrictions placed on him in finding Caylee, where ever that might lead. MN is an ethical man, worlds above BC, IMO. He knew Caylee was deceased long before her remains were found. He even tried to 'open' the eyes of the Anthony family, tried to prepare them for the worse but CA wouldn't have it!

IMO, MN released himself from representing the A's due to CA not staying silent. He couldn't control CA's mouth or the case and her mouth is what gets people irate!

JMHO


Mark NeJame had represented George and Cindy Anthony since Sept. 4.

"I won't comment about what they did or didn't do. All I will say is that I need to be in control of my clients. I need to be in control of my cases," NeJame said.

NeJame released a statement about his decision:

"Unfortunately, I have made the decision that it is best not to continue my representation of George and Cindy Anthony.

"George and Cindy have a belief that their beloved granddaughter, Caylee, is still alive. Tips and leads continue to come in. I believe strongly that they should have every right to maintain their hope and faith that one of these "sightings" will miraculously be the one that brings Caylee home to them. What parent or grandparent would surrender such hope?

"Who is one person to tell another parent or grandparent when it is time for them to abandon their faith? When does a stranger have the right to judge another who has endured such a loss? The attacks made against them by some are deplorable.

"Let them be to do what they feel they must to find their beloved granddaughter, Caylee. Knowing this case as well as probably anyone on earth, there is no doubt that they do not know where Caylee is. Allow them to walk their own path.

"I only agreed to represent George and Cindy Anthony, so long as there were no restrictions placed on me whatsoever as to finding Caylee, regardless of where this might lead. Quite simply, this meant that I could do whatever I needed to find Caylee whether she was alive or not. It impressed me that George and Cindy, both believing that Caylee was still with us, had an overriding and primary concern in finding Caylee, even if the result was not as they would hope. The other condition I required was that I would have absolutely nothing to do with representing Casey or assisting in her legal defense.

"Abundant efforts have been made towards finding Caylee. I have worked with so many involved in this matter towards the goal of finding this dear, missing child who has captured the hearts of so many. Some ignorant and judgmental members of the public though have made hateful and inaccurate accusations against me and others, when they had no idea whatsoever what was really going on. As my new, good friend, Tim Miller from Equusearch, tells me 'everybody associated with this case gets body slammed.' However, like Tim, when you know in your heart that you're doing the right thing, you just move forward knowing that right will ultimately win out. Some have falsely accused me and some others of being in this for the money. If they only knew how utterly wrong and misguided they are.

"I had come to a personal opinion and theory for quite some time whether Caylee was still with us or not. However, my opinion was only one like any other … an opinion. The only person without an opinion though is Casey Anthony as only she knows the truth.

"I believe that the singular person out of the 6 billion people in the world who holds the key to finding Caylee is her mother, Casey Anthony. Although I was quite successful in resolving a multitude of matters, I am unable to go further to help George and Cindy find Caylee in my current role. I can only provide my best advice and must respect any client's prerogative to do what they deem is best, whether they choose to follow my guidance or not. However, there is little value or use I can provide to any client if they choose to act and comment at will.

"As someone who has learned and knows the inner workings and details of the case and its various characters intimately, the rampant sensationalism and unfounded accusations must stop. Allow Cindy and George Anthony the respect and decency of dealing with their hope and efforts to find their missing and beloved Caylee as they need to. Allow those with differing opinions on finding and searching for Caylee, whether she is with us or not, to do their jobs without interruption. Finally, the judicial system is in play and justice will be best served by mindless meddlers staying out of something they know little of. There are many wonderful people involved in efforts to find Caylee and there are, unfortunately, many who are exploiting this child. Sadly, most in the public are clueless about who is doing what and what is really going on. The negative actions of some are only counterproductive and hurtful to the cause of those many good people who are doing so much to do something positive with this most sad and tragic situation.

"There should only be one goal and that is to find Caylee Marie Anthony."
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18025611/detail.html
 
Good Lord, who knows???? But it seems to have some importance to the psychic community, as those other 2 ladies who claimed to have given Dominic Caylee's location before Ginette talked about Luke P being their "intermediary" as well. Whatever it is, he sure is good at it!! :waitasec:

Hello Tally, I thank you so much for bringing us the information you have. I have been going off of my gut instincts ( when we were kids my Gram used to tell us...when you hear that little voice inside you...listen..THAT IS GOD TALKING TO YOU!!!) You have sured it up for me. I am especially interested to know about this Luke dude, and all that surrounds him dealing with Dom, then Genny...and the details of that protracted relationship, which as you point out began well before a phone call in the woods one morning in November.

Also, thank you Torri's Mom......your one sentence closes this theory regarding Kronk and the daisy chain forever. Since mom admits SHE sent someone to the woods in November...negates any claim it may have been Kronk hearing it through the jail..one would have to have imagined that Cindy talked to Kronk..who heard it through his gf...from the moose that was given a muffin.....

How simple. How beautifully simple. In the words of Lee, "It is all popycock!!"

THe defense knows the only place this Kronk theory has any value is in the public opinion arena...it will never see the light in the courtroom. I am glad to see how easily folks can see through the spin. It gives me good hope for justice for sweet, innocent Caylee.
 
Now on the other hand for such a newbie to the PI scene, he was able to get within feet of the body when the whole Ocso with all their experience couldn't. So hats off to him for that. I have no problem with him being down there in the woods. He's a private investigator and I would expect no less.

So it's okay for an amateur PI to get within feet of the body, but not okay for a former bounty hunter/meter man to actually find the body? So Dominic not finding the body makes him okay? If he had found the body, would he suspicious then?

To me, Dominic looks more suspicious for poking around, using several phones to talk who knows how many people, having another greedy PI use video cameras to tape everything, and lying to LE after the fact several times just like the A's did. There's no telling what he did for the A's that could have affected that crime scene or what evidence he tampered with. And he had several trips there to do just that. This wasn't some innocent PI trying to find a body for a family that wanted their child brought home - this was someone trying to help a family prove that body wasn't there to get their murderess daughter out of jail.

Kronk, on the other hand, tried three times to get LE to take him seriously, finally they did, and Caylee was found. He didn't lie to LE, he didn't get involved in serious hijinks that could lead to evidence tampering, and has been investigated and found innocent of any wrongdoing. It's his ex wives that have been doing the lying and making him look bad.

So to me, no hats off to Dominic. He did everything shady and suspicious in this case, and probably has finally told the truth to LE at this point to avoid serious jail time. And what he told LE could possibly take others down, including the A's and Baez. Kronk is the one my hat goes off to for actually finding Caylee so she could get a proper burial, all IMO.
 
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:waitasec: maybe if CA turned her insider information over to OCSO instead of DC ... then OCSO would have been the ones within feet of Caylee in the woods, but OCSO wouldn't have stopped feet away, they would have recovered her body... In a respectful and appropriate manner.... IMO

My husband had his own PI business for 20 years. He was ex-LE and I can tell you that DC made many mistakes and acted in a very unprofessional manner. For one he was trespassing on private property. The rules are not the same for a PI as they are for a private citizen. DC has lied to LE, big no, no if he wanted to retain his license. DC told JH there was big money involved down the road. DC has some pretty valuable information I would guess. Let's hope he will be honest with SA this time around. JMO
 
Hopefully it's ok to post this. The address that is connected with Luke P's non profit, Anam Caillte, comes up under the name of another business...the phone numbers are the same for the Luke that called Detectives and this place of business. I don't know that this means anything, other than the guy has two businesses and I can't find a local listing for the non profit. Here's a link to the other business...

http://www.merchantcircle.com/business/A.Stone.Canvas.540-327-3719

I am not finding this non profit org. (Anam Caillte) on the Virginia Network of Nonprofits (VANNO) site...don't know if it is no longer listed or if it ever was...

http://www.vanno.org/members/index.htm
 
My husband had his own PI business for 20 years. He was ex-LE and I can tell you that DC made many mistakes and acted in a very unprofessional manner. For one he was trespassing on private property. The rules are not the same for a PI as they are for a private citizen. DC has lied to LE, big no, no if he wanted to retain his license. DC told JH there was big money involved down the road. DC has some pretty valuable information I would guess. Let's hope he will be honest with SA this time around. JMO

Thank you so much LambChop for sharing with us this valuable insight. This PI and expert agree with you, one hundred percent. By the way, much love and respect to your husband and your family for his service in LE...he is a hero!!!
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APOiDYw-SBA[/ame]
 
You can take me out of the we. I don't presume anything. As far as I know, he was just an upcoming PI that was willing to work for free to make a name for himself. It happens all the time. I am sure there were plenty of people who volunteered to help at no charge. Nothing wrong with that in my eyes.

Now on the other hand for such a newbie to the PI scene, he was able to get within feet of the body when the whole Ocso with all their experience couldn't. So hats off to him for that. I have no problem with him being down there in the woods. He's a private investigator and I would expect no less.

I don't think the A's had the money to hire a seasoned professional. I think that is probably the real reason Mn left as well. They didn't have the money to retain him. Some of us are not rich or have rich families and are stuck with what we have. Dc has done nothing wrong here, he is an innocent man caught up in a high profile case where anybody and everybody is vulnerable because they can't come up with any proof that Kc did this. IMO

BBM .... :waitasec: That's a lot of presuming if you ask me.

MOO.
 
I don't think TES is against anyone. And it is a non-profit organization who is trying to keep names, addresses and phone numbers of their volunteers private. The volunteers have no involvement in this crime and the fact that MN has stepped up to help TES is commendable. TM having some obvious experience in this field expressed his feelings regarding whether or not Caylee was alive. Turns out he was correct. That is it. His attempt to find Caylee's body met with opposition from the A's because they knew their daughter killed her child or they would have cooperated. As Tim said he has never had a case before where the family was so resistant in helping to try and locate a missing child. THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES, now doesn't it. I don't believe TM has a mean bone in his body and certainly has not taken sides. He just wants to protect his volunteers from being the next RK. JMO
 
You can take me out of the we. I don't presume anything. As far as I know, he was just an upcoming PI that was willing to work for free to make a name for himself. It happens all the time. I am sure there were plenty of people who volunteered to help at no charge. Nothing wrong with that in my eyes.

Now on the other hand for such a newbie to the PI scene, he was able to get within feet of the body when the whole Ocso with all their experience couldn't. So hats off to him for that. I have no problem with him being down there in the woods. He's a private investigator and I would expect no less.

I don't think the A's had the money to hire a seasoned professional. I think that is probably the real reason Mn left as well. They didn't have the money to retain him. Some of us are not rich or have rich families and are stuck with what we have. Dc has done nothing wrong here, he is an innocent man caught up in a high profile case where anybody and everybody is vulnerable because they can't come up with any proof that Kc did this. IMO

RBBM. This perspective would indicate, then, that you understand Mr Kronk's position too.
 
My husband had his own PI business for 20 years. He was ex-LE and I can tell you that DC made many mistakes and acted in a very unprofessional manner. For one he was trespassing on private property. The rules are not the same for a PI as they are for a private citizen. DC has lied to LE, big no, no if he wanted to retain his license. DC told JH there was big money involved down the road. DC has some pretty valuable information I would guess. Let's hope he will be honest with SA this time around. JMO

I am only asking this because I have missed it. Not being snarky at all. Could you point out exactly where or when it was that Dc lied to LE? Do you have a record showing that he did not contact the land owner first? Are we sure that Dc told Jh there was big money down the road and what he was refferring to and can we trust JH? I am not sure Dc is being dishonest, but I could change my mind if someone could point it out. Thanks
 
Thank you so much LambChop for sharing with us this valuable insight. This PI and expert agree with you, one hundred percent. By the way, much love and respect to your husband and your family for his service in LE...he is a hero!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APOiDYw-SBA

And thank you The World According. My husband passed away five years ago. He was a very, very good person. Tried to help others when he could. It saddens me to see someone like DC acting so unprofessional. Gives PI's a bad name. There are many PI's out there that are responsible, reliable and honorable people.
 
notthatsmart said:
Dc has done nothing wrong here, he is an innocent man caught up in a high profile case where anybody and everybody is vulnerable because they can't come up with any proof that Kc did this. IMO

He's done everything wrong here, IMO. He's not innocent, he knew damn well what he was doing was going against the ethics of his being a PI! He may have been manipulated by CA into doing this but he should have used his brain to know it was wrong, totally wrong. He's poking around possible evidence, was he out to destroy it further than it was by the elements? He's not wearing gloves, which would mean, if he did find the bag he is now implicated due to his DNA being there. What fool does this? :furious:

As far as "they" can't come up with any proof KC did this? As far as I've read, observed through the media, KC and only KC did this to Caylee. I don't get the thinking here? Sorry NTS but have you read the discovery documents?

Can you see the more the state implicates KC, CA fights harder to muddy the waters, create reasonable doubt with her nonsense? I also remember those words CA uttered while on the phone with 911, KC WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!

I understand this family is in a catch 22..they loved Caylee and love KC which side do they take? I'd take my granddaughters side, since she has been silenced. I'd have to tell my child, I love you, I support you, I will stand by your side but you must tell the truth (tho' this family doesn't really know the meaing of truth) and take responsibility for your actions.. I would not put myself in harms way by doing things that can get me arrested.

If "they" can't come up with any proof of KC's involvement it's due to those rose colored glasses CA wears. She's worried about how this would make her look as a mother, as the one who raised KC. She's not seeking justice for Caylee and that bothers me to know end. Especially since this duo want to make it as crime victims advocates, so why not start with Caylee's justice! :furious:

The mere fact of the 31 days of not reporting Caylee as missing will be the hardest hurdle for the jurors to overcome. Then the partying during those days will instill more guilt, IMO. The decomp in the trunk of her vehicle, Caylee's hair with the death banding. It's so overwhelming all the defense can do is try and muddy the waters and implicate innocent people. They dug up dirt on RK in hopes of causing doubt. I wonder how much JK may have gotten paid for doing so..

I wait to see what comes of this and WHO will be arrested for doing so.
 
I am only asking this because I have missed it. Not being snarky at all. Could you point out exactly where or when it was that Dc lied to LE? Do you have a record showing that he did not contact the land owner first? Are we sure that Dc told Jh there was big money down the road and what he was refferring to and can we trust JH? I am not sure Dc is being dishonest, but I could change my mind if someone could point it out. Thanks

For one DC told LE he did not know he was being taped. Clearly he knew he was being video taped. JH was right in front of him with a small hand held camera. JH mentioned the money in his depo. DC claims he had a retainer agreement with JB, which we have not seen yet. So DC claims money and JH claims DC said there was money and talks about all the billable hours. I did not see the owner or realtor in the video so I highly doubt he asked for permission. People usually don't like someone ripping open bags and digging around their property unless they have someone there to make sure they don't do any damage. Plus if the camera was there for the purpose of investigation he would have recorded that he had permission from the owner to search the property......It's what PI's do to protect themselves.
 
The whole group of them having Crab Puffs at the Ritz immediately following the find of A BODY was just too much for me. Dom Casey and Cindy had all the opportunity together there to 'fine tune' their story. Cindy's announcement in her home on Dec 20th, that they had sent someone in the woods prior, was the first 'piece of spaghetti' thrown for the defense's theory that someone else put the body there. They all knew.
 
The whole group of them having Crab Puffs at the Ritz immediately following the find of A BODY was just too much for me. Dom Casey and Cindy had all the opportunity together there to 'fine tune' their story. Cindy's announcement in her home on Dec 20th, that they had sent someone in the woods prior, was the first 'piece of spaghetti' thrown for the defense's theory that someone else put the body there. They all knew.

Yep -- and then Cindy denied having said that. But her own son later contradicted her when he talked about having been so mad about the fact Cindy had gone against the family storyline and had the woods searched for a dead Caylee. And Hoover states he questioned several time if the family knew that he and Dom had been out there, and several time the family confirmed that yes, they knew.
 

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