2009.09.04 Cindy sent D.Casey/Hoover to remains site Addtional VIDEO RELEASED #2

[logicalgirl]

You said it best yourself up above. DC and Hoover were like a couple of kids trying to play TV detective. Yeah they expected to find something awful and disturbing. But they expected to find something horrible such as out of a zombie movie or an episode of CSI. They really had no idea what they were searching for actually looked like. Which is ultimately why they did not find anything.

Edit; of and the key point of CA's statement or mistatement there isn't that they didn't find Caylee, or that she couldn't have been there at the time. It was that she sent someone to search those specific woods. The fact that she said she sent someone is the key. Not what her perceived results were.

My problem is believing CA when she says SHE sent her people to search those specific woods when the emails between DC and the woo-woos indicate CA was playing little or no role in directing anyone to do anything - they were just playing her along. I think Cindy said a lot of things to show she was in control when clearly she wasn't, and most of what she said has been proven to have no basis in fact.

 

[logicalgirl]

When you add up the facts don't you conclude the Anthonys most likely knew where the body was? I mean you can deduce that pretty easily based on what is most likely imo.

At the risk of being hugely in everyone's disfavor on the board HF, I have to say I don't believe one word of what came out of CA's mouth because I think she was doing anything and everything to avoid believing Caylee was dead and everything she could think of to derail the investigation.

Not because she knew Caylee was dead, but because she refused to believe she wasn't alive. I don't think anything she did was rational or justified and she is almost delusional. She blames anyone and anything rather than face the truth about both ICA and Caylee.

I guess the root of it for me is I don't believe ICA would ever admit to anyone that she killed Caylee, let alone tell anyone where the body was. I think that's what the smirk on her face is all about when she looks at her mother then looks away from her and smirks when she is leaving court. ICA's very own gotcha moment.

 

[logicalgirl]

[QUOTE=faefrost;6130022]You said it best yourself up above. DC and Hoover were like a couple of kids trying to play TV detective. Yeah they expected to find something awful and disturbing. But they expected to find something horrible such as out of a zombie movie or an episode of CSI. They really had no idea what they were searching for actually looked like. Which is ultimately why they did not find anything.

Edit; of and the key point of CA's statement or mistatement there isn't that they didn't find Caylee, or that she couldn't have been there at the time. It was that she sent someone to search those specific woods. The fact that she said she sent someone is the key. Not what her perceived results were.[/QUOTE]

I was actually talking about DC and the psychics, not DC and Hoover.

 

[Caligram]

I think CA would have done anything to prevent the discovery of Caylee's remains. I wouldn't put it past her to do whatever it took to keep Caylee hidden. She knew when that car was recovered that KC "did something", but insisted on going with the "no body, no proof" claim she promoted.

 

[Pondering Mind]

I really don't know where to put this and hope it's ok here...
Listening to this once again...notice how often Cindy tells Yuri that she is a grieving grandmother...and then in the next breath tells him that Caylee is alive. IMO, Cindy KNEW at this time that Caylee was deceased..

http://focusedinterview.com/3-cindy-anthony-police-interview-video-footage-caylee-marie/

 

[Oldsoul2]

Here's how I see it. Cindy was and is a very controlling, domineering and AGGRESSIVE lady. Her daughter not wanted this child in the first place was convinced by her to keep the child and when she did, Cindy used her money and a place to live and dangled it to control Casey and "justify" her relationship to Caylee. She pushed her daughter aside like she was only the vehicle that bore this child. Casey knew that Caylee was more important to Cindy than she was...and we all know how much attention Casey requires. A controlling grip like that, means that Cindy was always in her face, having to tell her mother where she is at all times etc... especially since she was living under her roof and not paying for anything. I beg to differ in the belief that Cindy, who, at first, begged Casey to tell her where Caylee is and that was the time where she believed that Caylee was still alive, didn't know what really happened. She made Casey tell her...I'm guessing when she first got out of jail and realized that she could and probably will spend the rest of her life there, she NEEDED her mother to back her, cover for her. The question is why did Cindy do this, I don't think it's because she didn't know the truth at that point, I think it is because she felt an all consuming sense of guilt when Casey decided to let her know that she wanted to take Caylee away from her to punish her and probably told her this was all her fault....like Casey likes to do. I still believe strongly that Casey drugged her child so she could party and gave her too much and she passed. How many lies could Cindy cover while grieving and having a mental breakdown and the media is on fire with this case......truth, I believe this is it. As per the grandmothers word "She hated her mother more than she loved her child"

 

[Solace]

[QUOTE=faefrost;6130022]You said it best yourself up above. DC and Hoover were like a couple of kids trying to play TV detective. Yeah they expected to find something awful and disturbing. But they expected to find something horrible such as out of a zombie movie or an episode of CSI. They really had no idea what they were searching for actually looked like. Which is ultimately why they did not find anything.

Edit; of and the key point of CA's statement or mistatement there isn't that they didn't find Caylee, or that she couldn't have been there at the time. It was that she sent someone to search those specific woods. The fact that she said she sent someone is the key. Not what her perceived results were.

I was actually talking about DC and the psychics, not DC and Hoover.[/quote]

Just the fact that Cindy went back to work the day they found the car, shows me how much she will let denial work in her brain. The odor of decomposition is horrific and the fact that they have KC in a huge lie and have not heard from Caylee in a month and they now have a car that they both agree smells like a "dead" body, but yet they do nothing and return to work and Cindy leaves only after her supervisors orders her too, is incredible.

 

[Solace]

I still believe strongly that Casey drugged her child so she could party and gave her too much and she passed.

I might have believed that too ONLY there was duct tape covering the mandible (jaw) and the upper portion of her mouth and I believe her nose. Let me know if I am wrong about that part, but I am sure about the mandible. Wrapped three times around the child's head. This was intentional.

 

[Oldsoul2]

I might have believed that too ONLY there was duct tape covering the mandible (jaw) and the upper portion of her mouth and I believe her nose. Let me know if I am wrong about that part, but I am sure about the mandible. Wrapped three times around the child's head. This was intentional.

Agree....except she was trying to keep her away hence the 30 days she took off and than claimed it was a KIDNAPPING. She wasn't going to call for help when it happened, she drugged her own child and committed a crime right then and there and so, hoped it became a missing child case and was sticking with that story so if they found poor Caylee it would look like that's exactly what happened.

Just my opinion.

 

[Just Jayla]

And on top of everything else, when Yuri Malich served the Anthonys with a search warrant on December 20, we've got Cindy telling him, "I sent some there (the remains site) several weeks ago and nothing was there." She basically admitted that it was she who sent DC to the area where the remains were eventually found.

A few weeks later, DC tried to explain why he was searching in the area where Caylee's remains were eventually found and who it was he was on the phone with as he rummaged through the vegetation, and he's the one who said a psychic guided him there. Evidently he didn't know that Cindy had already admitted it was she who sent him there. They didn't get their stories straight.

I am not sure if CA could get her story straight, maybe DC played a little game with her...
Let's say DC heard the info about Caylee's remains while he was with KC and Baez-After all, JB seems to let these PI's in on everything he is doing, and maybe it came out in front of DC. No worries, JB thought DC and he had a special privilege...
DC becomes "closer" to CA-He urges her to begin thinking about areas where Caylee could be, all the while inferring, implying and suggestively speaking to CA about areas right there around the house. It's a secret DC cannot keep to himself, but he cannot blabber it either. He steers CA to think about that area...
As if it is her own idea, CA then tells DC he could try the wooded area down the street. But DC already knew what he was looking for.
Meanwhile, DC picks one of the psychics (out of the many who had contacted him, and not one in Florida) to help him with a sort of alibi, reasoning for him to be down there. GL is a groupie that would know things about the A's (even we, non-groupies, know about her dogs) and is eager to help and uses what she knows to have "visions." Dc has also been dialoguing with her, so why not?
DC uses GL as a cover, but between the two of them, he is the only one that knows exactly what is going on.

Disclaimer-This is probably the 50th inscription of this theory on this thread, so sorry if these thought are not at all original, I'm slow on the uptake sometimes...And please-SHOOT IT DOWN-if it makes no sense, I am veeerrry curious about this part of the case and would like to pin this one down almost as much as I would like to know exactly what happened to Caylee.

 

[3doglady]

I am not sure if CA could get her story straight, maybe DC played a little game with her...
Let's say DC heard the info about Caylee's remains while he was with KC and Baez-After all, JB seems to let these PI's in on everything he is doing, and maybe it came out in front of DC. No worries, JB thought DC and he had a special privilege...
DC becomes "closer" to CA-He urges her to begin thinking about areas where Caylee could be, all the while inferring, implying and suggestively speaking to CA about areas right there around the house. It's a secret DC cannot keep to himself, but he cannot blabber it either. He steers CA to think about that area...
As if it is her own idea, CA then tells DC he could try the wooded area down the street. But DC already knew what he was looking for.
Meanwhile, DC picks one of the psychics (out of the many who had contacted him, and not one in Florida) to help him with a sort of alibi, reasoning for him to be down there. GL is a groupie that would know things about the A's (even we, non-groupies, know about her dogs) and is eager to help and uses what she knows to have "visions." Dc has also been dialoguing with her, so why not?
DC uses GL as a cover, but between the two of them, he is the only one that knows exactly what is going on.

Disclaimer-This is probably the 50th inscription of this theory on this thread, so sorry if these thought are not at all original, I'm slow on the uptake sometimes...And please-SHOOT IT DOWN-if it makes no sense, I am veeerrry curious about this part of the case and would like to pin this one down almost as much as I would like to know exactly what happened to Caylee.

Yeah,what she said. If GA's bat phone number was recovered from the "affair" incident, wouldn't his phone records lead LE to CA's bat phone records and ultimately to DC's bat phone records? Have any of these phone records been released?

 

[faefrost]

Yeah,what she said. If GA's bat phone number was recovered from the "affair" incident, wouldn't his phone records lead LE to CA's bat phone records and ultimately to DC's bat phone records? Have any of these phone records been released?

If I remember correctly didn't LE first learn of the "bat phones" during one of the depositions? CA's I think? And didn't they get that phone and its information right then and there? From that single one they should have been able to work backwards to determine the others.

 

[Tulessa]

I might have believed that too ONLY there was duct tape covering the mandible (jaw) and the upper portion of her mouth and I believe her nose. Let me know if I am wrong about that part, but I am sure about the mandible. Wrapped three times around the child's head. This was intentional.

100% agree, and it was done to spite Cindy!

 

[Just Jayla]

JAYLA IS FINALLY LOSING IT!!


Edited my quote down to the simple statement above. Most of you figured that out a year ago.


Here is a more constructive way to look at this-Please, WS'ers, as you probably have before, take another look at this link:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T04rfgU5E8A[/ame]

Specifically, 5:30 - 5:41 and from 6:11 - 6:50.
At 6:11, JH is walking westward toward the Zenaida fence. JH is going to make a left into the path and start videotaping the bush/tree combo to his immediate left.

Go back to 6:11 again as James is walking in-Does DC appear to be already in the woods near that same bush?

As you go through tape through 6:50, please look very hard, not when JH is focusing on the pavers, but when his camera settles on the gap/hole inside the bush. Is there anything in that bushy growth cave?

Is there any indication that this is the curved tree Caylee was supposedly found near (the upright tree, not the fallen tree, which I believe RK also described)? I can't really make out the tree itself-Some of the things about this tree match how RK described things. Just wondering if it's possible that DC/JH were that close, and if so, why DC was in there mucking around. Later in the tape, JH is focusing on a similar bush with pavers, not sure it's the same one-Again, look inside the bush.

 

[3doglady]

I know this question seems age old, and it's probably just me with the brain fart, but have we determined just how close DC/JH were from Caylee's remains?

Reason I ask is 'cause I saw something in the video. It kinda fits the description Roy Kronk gave of how/where he saw the skull-about 6' from view, under brush near fallen trees (but the camera never allowed us to see if it was the curved tree)-a small white softball sized item. Pavers abound. But no black bag covering the small white item I see...It is kind of hidden but visible.

JAYLA IS FINALLY LOSING IT!!

Do we know if they took the path in from the Zenaida fence?
I am sure it is nothing, but if it were something, DC was waaaay close. There was too much trash in there for it to be something bad, I am seeing things.

Please tell me they went in where LE went in, a couple yards east of the tent site...then it is definately nothing. Not that it's something.

Look at post 154 of this thread. There is a diagram showing how close the pink blanket was to Caylee. DC picks up the same blanket with the hole in it in his video.

 

[Just Jayla]

Look at post 154 of this thread. There is a diagram showing how close the pink blanket was to Caylee. DC picks up the same blanket with the hole in it in his video.

I edited my quote big-time, but will look at the reference. More constructive if I tell you guys what I am looking at rather than making silly leaps.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I've watched this tape a million times and I get madder and madder each time. All I will say is that DC was extremely close... too close! No doubt in my mind that he was stepping all over Caylee... moving her tiny bones... pushing them deeper and deeper into the ground. I am sure if DC did what any reasonable person would do, when he found that baby blanket, and called 911 (again someone not calling 911) they might have even found bone fragments on the bottom of his shoes.

There is nothing DC can ever say that would make me feel okay with him not calling LE when he went out there, not once, not twice, but three times. He knew she was out there. He knew!! To see him treat the scene so carelessly makes me even madder! What if Caylee had been in one of those black trash bags?? Does he think that poking and slashing in those bags is the right thing to do? Does he know that he could have damaged evidence (I personally think that is what he went out there to do anyways)?

If anyone tampered with that scene on Suburban Drive, it was Dominic Casey. Why isn't the defense going after DC? There is even video! If they wanted to... they could blame it all on Cindy and George. Say that they knew where Caylee's remains were... that only the killer would know where the remains were. Cindy and George have admitted that they have not spoken with Casey since 0ct. 14th, 2008.... we all know there have been letters passed back and forth, but George denies this on the stand... I don't remember what Cindy said? I think the only problem they have with going in this direction is because Dominic Casey knows too much!

This trial can not get here fast enough!

 

[Just Jayla]

I've watched this tape a million times and I get madder and madder each time. All I will say is that DC was extremely close... too close! No doubt in my mind that he was stepping all over Caylee... moving her tiny bones... pushing them deeper and deeper into the ground. I am sure if DC did what any reasonable person would do, when he found that baby blanket, and called 911 (again someone not calling 911) they might have even found bone fragments on the bottom of his shoes.

There is nothing DC can ever say that would make me feel okay with him not calling LE when he went out there, not once, not twice, but three times. He knew she was out there. He knew!! To see him treat the scene so carelessly makes me even madder! What if Caylee had been in one of those black trash bags?? Does he think that poking and slashing in those bags is the right thing to do? Does he know that he could have damaged evidence (I personally think that is what he went out there to do anyways)?

If anyone tampered with that scene on Suburban Drive, it was Dominic Casey. Why isn't the defense going after DC? There is even video! If they wanted to... they could blame it all on Cindy and George. Say that they knew where Caylee's remains were... that only the killer would know where the remains were. Cindy and George have admitted that they have not spoken with Casey since 0ct. 14th, 2008.... we all know there have been letters passed back and forth, but George denies this on the stand... I don't remember what Cindy said? I think the only problem they have with going in this direction is because Dominic Casey knows too much!

This trial can not get here fast enough!

BBM-...that we know of.

 

[Just Jayla]

I've watched this tape a million times and I get madder and madder each time. All I will say is that DC was extremely close... too close! No doubt in my mind that he was stepping all over Caylee... moving her tiny bones... pushing them deeper and deeper into the ground. I am sure if DC did what any reasonable person would do, when he found that baby blanket, and called 911 (again someone not calling 911) they might have even found bone fragments on the bottom of his shoes.

There is nothing DC can ever say that would make me feel okay with him not calling LE when he went out there, not once, not twice, but three times. He knew she was out there. He knew!! To see him treat the scene so carelessly makes me even madder! What if Caylee had been in one of those black trash bags?? Does he think that poking and slashing in those bags is the right thing to do? Does he know that he could have damaged evidence (I personally think that is what he went out there to do anyways)?

If anyone tampered with that scene on Suburban Drive, it was Dominic Casey. Why isn't the defense going after DC? There is even video! If they wanted to... they could blame it all on Cindy and George. Say that they knew where Caylee's remains were... that only the killer would know where the remains were. Cindy and George have admitted that they have not spoken with Casey since 0ct. 14th, 2008.... we all know there have been letters passed back and forth, but George denies this on the stand... I don't remember what Cindy said? I think the only problem they have with going in this direction is because Dominic Casey knows too much!

This trial can not get here fast enough!

BBM Again-We don't know that they won't take a side trip at some point and suggest this/something similar at trial.
If I know JB, and I think I do by now, he has something up his sleeve, and he won't pull it out until he has to. Yes, most of the time he has a horrible poker face, but he is like a schoolboy when it comes to his big ideas-gets all excited and when his time comes, he spews his brilliance!
But like most of his bombshells, it will be a dud. He'll think he really got us with it, and LDB or JA will burst zee bubble. A CA or GA conspiracy seems like it would make a fantastic Perry Mason moment, at least if you think like JB does.

 

[cmsg2002]

its been awhile since I last viewed that video...but it convinces me 100% that he knew Caylee was there...and that she had been buried. There is no other explanation for him continually poking the ground with that pole. He just simply couldn't find her in all that garbage and overgrowth.

what a sham and a shame...:sick: