2009.11.19 Defense files motion suggesting Kronk as the killer. #3

[treeseeker]

Yes, I wrote above that I realized the last names are different. Figure the odds though that these two military Brandons both being S's. Kronk's son's name should be Kronk. Since he hadn't seen him in 10 years, maybe he had a stepfather whose name he took. I still find it a strange coinky dink - just one of many.

lol, you gave me a start when I first saw it! yes, another weird coincidence.

 

[TorisMom003]

After just having listened to the two ex-wives interviews, I found both of them to be credible. They portray an image of Kronk that is not favorable.
If I had been treated by him like they say they were, I'd tell the truth about it too if asked.

That said, I have no idea if he could have had anything to do with Caylee's death but do find it interesting that he's a guy with these skeletons in his closet.
Just posting my thoughts as I'm having them. Since the day he came forward, I've smelled a rat about him but not to the point that I thought he was responsible for Caylee's death. I've always felt he was after the reward money but didn't know who could have tipped him off (but I heard a girl friend worked in the jail so that seemed like a possibility).

The problem with both of the ex-wives being credible in the interviews is that at least one of the ex-wives has already stated that she feels that Kronk is a good man. Now, if Kronk really did the things that she is now claiming he did, why would she have said (at first) that he was a good man. Her written (typed) opinion of him is on one of the three threads with this title. I know that someone was kind enough to post it and in no way did she mention any of the things that she does in her interview with the new defense PI. So, since Kronk's changing stories are a problem for some then wouldn't the changing story of his ex-wife be a problem as well? Also where are the police reports to back up either of the ex-wives? If my husband had done the things to me that these two women claim Kronk did to them you better believe that his butt would be in jail. Police reports filed and me NOT calling him a good man. Makes me think that these women got something in return (money) for the "dirt" that they dished out about Kronk.

 

[luvmygarden]

The problem with both of the ex-wives being credible in the interviews is that at least one of the ex-wives has already stated that she feels that Kronk is a good man. Now, if Kronk really did the things that she is now claiming he did, why would she have said (at first) that he was a good man. Her written (typed) opinion of him is on one of the three threads with this title. I know that someone was kind enough to post it and in no way did she mention any of the things that she does in her interview with the new defense PI. So, since Kronk's changing stories are a problem for some then wouldn't the changing story of his ex-wife be a problem as well? Also where are the police reports to back up either of the ex-wives? If my husband had done the things to me that these two women claim Kronk did to them you better believe that his butt would be in jail. Police reports filed and me NOT calling him a good man. Makes me think that these women got something in return (money) for the "dirt" that they dished out about Kronk.

I found the wifes comments on Page 123 of the pdf file
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21148535/detail.html

Seems there should be defamation suits re these ex wives too.
They are lying one way or the other.

 

[seagull65]

Well, if JB & crew are going to say RK did this because he found the body and had searched that area twice before . . . .

-- Kiomarie is also guilty because she told the neighbors if kc had buried Caylee, that's where it would've been

-- G St. J is also guilty because she searched there due to her "instincts"

-- K Williams is also guilty because he searched that area and even thought he found evidence relevant to the case

-- DC is also guilty because he searched the area - twice, I think?

It's just not going to stick, JB!

as far as I know JB has only said that the defense believe Kronk could have killed Caylee and that he was not investigated enough (I would agree), not that he did kill Caylee. Hopefully the defense have not ruled out the other possible perps who also were not investigated enough. (G St. J not included ha ha)

(even with the ex-wife's statements and the expunged kidnapping charge.)

 

[mydailyopinions]

as far as I know JB has only said that the defense believe Kronk could have killed Caylee and that he was not investigated enough (I would agree), not that he did kill Caylee. Hopefully the defense have not ruled out the other possible perps who also were not investigated enough.

Oh you can bet that they haven't ruled out other perps yet, they will go down a list of possible perps until trial because frankly at this point, what else can they do?

 

[ZsaZsa]

I used common sense and logic when I formulated my opinion on this motion. I have accepted anything and everything the media has dished up as if it were equally as valuable as the well thought out motions prepared by a defense team that has several highly accredited members whose cumulative knowledge about the intricate details of this case is far greater than mine. I do apologize for accepting the absurd ramblings of the money hungry media. Nevertheless, I will keep an open mind until I’ve heard from the prosecution as well as the defense, it will give me a grasp on the whole truth.

Don't forget that the 'money hungry media' and their $$$ for 'licensing fees' have been used by Casey to transform herself from pauper to Princess.

 

[seagull65]

Right, it's their job of course to point out every possible SODDI and every exculpatory fact, etc, and like you say, what else can they do anyway? I bet Casey has told the defense absolutely nothing that makes sense or is of substance, I bet it's been exactly the same for the defense as it was for LE as far as trying to gain an understanding of anything that went on in Casey's life during late June early July 08. MOO

 

[seagull65]

I definitely don't think Casey has become rich from this crime

 

[seagull65]

That hadn't clicked with me yet that we had another Brandon S! Oh no, another one for the coincidence thread

 

[ZsaZsa]

I definitely don't think Casey has become rich from this crime

She can afford very expensive lawyers, something most of us can't do. There have been numerous reports that Baez has brokered deals with media, selling videos of Caylee for up to $200K. Her parents have certainly prospered, we don't know the cumulative total, but we do know they got $200K from CBS, a book deal in the works, $20K for the 48hrs interview ( on an instalment plan probably much more). Enough to ensure they don't seem in any rush to find jobs.

 

[brownflower]

Are you kidding me? Is this the best JB can do? I realize he was boxed into a corner. He had to come up with something but, this is really, really weak. First of all his client said the last person she left her daughter with was Zanny the Nanny. Where's the connection between Zanny and Roy Kronk?

Second, how does JB explain away all the forensic evidence in the car? How does he tie the car to Roy Kronk? Did Roy Kronk steal Caylee from Zanny, kill her, gain access to Casey's car, place the body in her trunk for a couple of days, wait for Casey to run over and squirrel and then steal Caylee's body out of the trunk hide it somewhere until Casey was arrested and then throw it in the woods?

But not just any spot in the woods but, in a spot that was near Casey's home and that he knew she frequented when she was a teenager with her buddies. In a spot where detectives hired by Casey's family and her defense attorney had searched. because yeah, Roy Kronk had access to all this information before he dumped the body in this spot. And not only that but, Roy Kronk is such a terrific forensic expert he knew how to plant evidence to make it seem like the body had been in that spot for months. And he knew exactly what type of duct tape to use. Duct tape that would match the duct tape the Anthonys had. In fact, he went around to the signs they hung up and stole the duct tape right off the signs and soaked them in water and planted them at the crime scene...

I could go on and on as to how ridiculous this is.

Sheesh! What a bunch of rubbish.

 

[seagull65]

Since there were posts here regarding Casey being the "only one with a motive to kill Caylee" and RK not having any motive: Of course I don't know about RK's motive or lack of motive either way so I won't comment on his motive or lack of motive. But regarding Casey as far as "motive": I think Casey had the least motive possible for killing Caylee. Despite the media's image of Casey as someone who would kill her child, there's actually no evidence (that we've seen so far, at least) to support this, and almost 3 years worth of evidence to the contrary. Not only did Casey love Caylee, not only was Caylee her only accomplishment and source of self-esteem, not only did Casey love taking Caylee and showing her off everywhere she went and always had, but if people want to be cynical, Caylee was also Casey's only meal-ticket, whether through her own parents or potentially the paternal grandparents or even through Caylee's father or the state.
And as far as the supposed motive of killing Caylee to be free to party or to be with TL, I don't buy it, because Casey had been much more head over heels about Brandon S than TL for example, and didn't get rid of Caylee to try to be with him or any other guy. And she'd always partied, no need to get rid of Caylee. But if she had wanted to get rid of Caylee, I think her MO would be just leaving Caylee with GA or CA and not returning, just stringing them along, saying she'd be back soon. So easy. I don't think it's in Casey's MO to harm or kill Caylee, or that Casey would ever want to go to prison for the rest of her life.
As far as motive goes, sadly, child predators kill children every day with no "motive". Casey had had Caylee around a lot of new people shortly before Caylee's disappearance. Casey had come into contact with a lot of new people. No harm had ever come to Caylee before, now suddenly Caylee disappears and is later found murdered.
Now, could Casey have murdered Caylee due to the onset of delusions, delirium, or some radical personality change that had occurred during those weeks or some unknown reason? Obviously can't rule that out either. In fact in her statements and jailhouse conversations, LE interviews, etc, I do think she appears deluded and appears to have had a significant change in thinking and personality, she's completely "blank" about Caylee, says many weird and muddled/confused things (which will be found out to be untrue immediately, serves her no purpose, no kind of calculated lying), seems to be confusing the past with her current life, even says that one of her friends was "Juliet Lewis" (i.e. famous actress's name.) So I do think she has had some kind of mental deterioration. Not that it necessarily means she was the one who murdered Caylee. MOO But I don't see real evidence of "motive" IMO.

 

[Rlaub44]

as far as I know JB has only said that the defense believe Kronk could have killed Caylee and that he was not investigated enough (I would agree), not that he did kill Caylee. Hopefully the defense have not ruled out the other possible perps who also were not investigated enough. (G St. J not included ha ha)

(even with the ex-wife's statements and the expunged kidnapping charge.)

BBM

At this time, I don't believe we have enough documentation of how much Kronk was or was not investigated. With the filing of this motion, I would imagine we will be seeing more discovery about LE's reports on Kronk, but until that time, I find it premature to speculate that he wasn't investigated enough.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I would like to wait until we know for certain. Where you seem to be assuming LE didn't do their job, I prefer to give them the "presumption of competence" and assume they did.

JMO

 

[minazoe]

Casey was going to whack her whole family. Life insurance, cars, property ...bank accounts and 100% of all inheritance money from the grandparents. She was probably going to claim that intruders killed them and took Caylee.

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

BBM

At this time, I don't believe we have enough documentation of how much Kronk was or was not investigated. With the filing of this motion, I would imagine we will be seeing more discovery about LE's reports on Kronk, but until that time, I find it premature to speculate that he wasn't investigated enough.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I would like to wait until we know for certain. Where you seem to be assuming LE didn't do their job, I prefer to give them the "presumption of competence" and assume they did.

JMO

I agree with you that this motion will generate more discovery about LE's reports on Kronk. I also think it may generate more discovery on whether or not LE searched the area where Caylee was ultimately found.
Going along with you on the presumption of competence by LE, we would almost have to believe that LE was competent enough to thoroughly search the most obvious place to begin looking for a missing child, which of course would be the wooded area less than half mile from the Anthony home. In giving LE the presumption of competence, and believing they competently searched that wooded area, it brings up the question, how could police, and police dogs, have missed a childs remains that were roughly 10 feet from the woodline in an area that would be the most obvious place to search? Unless, they actually did search thorooughly, and the remains were not there, but placed there at a later time. I realize it is an area with thick vegetation, but if cadaver dogs can even find bodies underwater, it just seems unbelieveable to me that the cadaver dogs didn't alert to the remains so close to the woodline, but again that is presuming the competence of LE.

 

[coco puff]

Since there were posts here regarding Casey being the "only one with a motive to kill Caylee" and RK not having any motive: Of course I don't know about RK's motive or lack of motive either way so I won't comment on his motive or lack of motive. But regarding Casey as far as "motive": I think Casey had the least motive possible for killing Caylee. Despite the media's image of Casey as someone who would kill her child, there's actually no evidence (that we've seen so far, at least) to support this, and almost 3 years worth of evidence to the contrary. Not only did Casey love Caylee, not only was Caylee her only accomplishment and source of self-esteem, not only did Casey love taking Caylee and showing her off everywhere she went and always had, but if people want to be cynical, Caylee was also Casey's only meal-ticket, whether through her own parents or potentially the paternal grandparents or even through Caylee's father or the state.
And as far as the supposed motive of killing Caylee to be free to party or to be with TL, I don't buy it, because Casey had been much more head over heels about Brandon S than TL for example, and didn't get rid of Caylee to try to be with him or any other guy. And she'd always partied, no need to get rid of Caylee. But if she had wanted to get rid of Caylee, I think her MO would be just leaving Caylee with GA or CA and not returning, just stringing them along, saying she'd be back soon. So easy. I don't think it's in Casey's MO to harm or kill Caylee, or that Casey would ever want to go to prison for the rest of her life.
As far as motive goes, sadly, child predators kill children every day with no "motive". Casey had had Caylee around a lot of new people shortly before Caylee's disappearance. Casey had come into contact with a lot of new people. No harm had ever come to Caylee before, now suddenly Caylee disappears and is later found murdered.
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She LOVED Caylee? FACT: KC faked a call from her daughter on the day she was arrested. We heard her talk about her child's happy voice on the phone and we all know now that she was dead at the time. FACT: She was begging anyone who would listen for her boyfriends number while she was in jail and her daughter was missing. When asked if he know anything, she said NO but he is my boyfriend and I want to talk to him. FACT: Cindy said that she put Caylee to bed every night. Cindy said that she paid for all of Caylee's things. Neighbors say that Cindy and George walked Caylee in her stroller, not KC. This is the opposite of love.

 

[Rlaub44]

I agree with you that this motion will generate more discovery about LE's reports on Kronk. I also think it may generate more discovery on whether or not LE searched the area where Caylee was ultimately found.
Going along with you on the presumption of competence by LE, we would almost have to believe that LE was competent enough to thoroughly search the most obvious place to begin looking for a missing child, which of course would be the wooded area less than half mile from the Anthony home. In giving LE the presumption of competence, and believing they competently searched that wooded area, it brings up the question, how could police, and police dogs, have missed a childs remains that were roughly 10 feet from the woodline in an area that would be the most obvious place to search? Unless, they actually did search thorooughly, and the remains were not there, but placed there at a later time. I realize it is an area with thick vegetation, but if cadaver dogs can even find bodies underwater, it just seems unbelieveable to me that the cadaver dogs didn't alert to the remains so close to the woodline, but again that is presuming the competence of LE.

See, but I don't necessarily agree that those woods were the "most obvious" place. Unfortunately, KC's various stories to LE had them looking in many directions. The stinky car abandoned at Amscot might have made locations near there more obvious. If the "nanny" had taken her at Sawgrass, or the "nanny and Samantha" had taken her at J. Blanchard Park, that presents two other likely locations. There were reports near the airport that required searches.

I also have yet to see documentation that cadaver dogs were taken through the wooded area off Suburban. We have read that a K-9 unit was in that area, but those dogs are not trained to sniff out decomposing human remains. Drugs yes, bodies no.

Also, color me dense, but I still don't see where Kronk changed his story as far as factual matters. I understand why he wouldn't have admitted at first that he was conducting his own search on company time; therefore, he first tried to cover that by claiming he needed to relieve himself.

I know that it isn't a contest, but when I compare Kronk's stories to KC's stories, forgive me for finding Kronk more credible.

 

[seagull65]

She can afford very expensive lawyers, something most of us can't do. There have been numerous reports that Baez has brokered deals with media, selling videos of Caylee for up to $200K. Her parents have certainly prospered, we don't know the cumulative total, but we do know they got $200K from CBS, a book deal in the works, $20K for the 48hrs interview ( on an instalment plan probably much more). Enough to ensure they don't seem in any rush to find jobs.

I get your point, but I don't think she's gotten rich off the case or had a profit motive that we know of so far.

I really can't blame the family, obviously they wanted to get Caylee's image out there, and tell their side of the story, I also can't blame them for answering all the defamation that was out there. And I wouldn't be surprised if when revenues came in from putting Caylee's image out there, that those revenues would be used for Casey's defense, or to pay the A's bills, or even to get out of Orlando for a few days like they did. Or that Casey might likewise accept media revenue in order to pay her defense (of course so far the official word is that the defense are not being paid, but I do want to know who is paying them if someone is. Especially if it's anyone other than Casey or the A's.)
But I don't think we can say Casey has prospered (as far as we know) . I don't see a profit motive on the part of the family, either. I don't think there's any comparison between whatever money came from doing those interviews and being without Caylee forever. JMO But I do get what you're saying!

OK, I'll go back to the topic of the defense mentioning RK now

 

[seagull65]

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She LOVED Caylee? FACT: KC faked a call from her daughter on the day she was arrested. We heard her talk about her child's happy voice on the phone and we all know now that she was dead at the time. FACT: She was begging anyone who would listen for her boyfriends number while she was in jail and her daughter was missing. When asked if he know anything, she said NO but he is my boyfriend and I want to talk to him. FACT: Cindy said that she put Caylee to bed every night. Cindy said that she paid for all of Caylee's things. Neighbors say that Cindy and George walked Caylee in her stroller, not KC. This is the opposite of love.

I think her bizarre "blank" regarding Caylee, as well as her urgency in wanting only to talk to TL with no concern or urgency about Caylee at all (and not faking like she was concerned about Caylee either) is very interesting. Also the way in her interviews she seems to have even taken on a bit of Tony's accent at times. As well as her saying she'd spoken to Caylee that day (but what she describes actually sounds like that video, with Caylee and her book, like she's mixing up her memory of watching that video vs. talking to Caylee on the phone?), and her saying that the friend she confided in about Caylee being missing was Juliet Lewis (like the movie actress?). And her confusing past and current events such as a job that she had in 2006, walking all the way up to the door with LE before they confronted her with it and said this isn't true. Her continually telling LE things that would be found out to be false immediately, obviously not doing herself any service. Her changing stories about what happened and not seeming to realize this destroys her credibility, seeming to believe both stories equally and repeating them in an almost mechanical fashion. I think all of these things are very interesting and could be very significant. I hope the defense get to the bottom of it but I'm not so sure. Maybe Baez thinks she's guilty so hasn't pressed for information from her. What if he's wrong. Hope they had thorough medical/mental examination of her done. The one lawyer who left the case said she suffers from mental illness.

But she didn't fake the phone call, she just said it happened, obviously they found out immediately it wasn't true. The same with all the things she told them that were not true.

 

[Mendara]

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She LOVED Caylee? FACT: KC faked a call from her daughter on the day she was arrested. We heard her talk about her child's happy voice on the phone and we all know now that she was dead at the time. FACT: She was begging anyone who would listen for her boyfriends number while she was in jail and her daughter was missing. When asked if he know anything, she said NO but he is my boyfriend and I want to talk to him. FACT: Cindy said that she put Caylee to bed every night. Cindy said that she paid for all of Caylee's things. Neighbors say that Cindy and George walked Caylee in her stroller, not KC. This is the opposite of love.

I agree. It is NOT the media telling us Casey was not a good mother and did NOT love Caylee it was CASEY herself, in her own voice on her terms in that office at universal. It was Casey not giving a flying fudge where and what was happening to her sweet baby those 31 days she was missing. If my child was missing for an hour and I did not know if he was hungry or cold or scared you better believe I would not be hanging out with a man I just met, renting movies. LOVE = action - you SHOW your love, it is not just a word to throw around.

If Casey loved Caylee she would have actually had a job and a real nanny and made sure Caylee was safe and she as her mother was doing everything possible to give her a good life, instead she was faking a job so that her mother would watch her "snot" while she went out with her friends.